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Mine is also going back for exchange. Tip grind is terrible and it's off center enough to nearly be touching the show side scale. Feels like ZT rushed these out the door, first poorly fit ZT I've ever received.
Mine has very similar issues. Not sure if I should try my luck with another copy, or wait for later batches
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The more you guys talk about this knife the more I want to avoid it, and that's not a bad thing at all, it's much welcomed. Thanks for the updates and information about it,without the comments I'd be getting something that looks great but not something I want to use. I'd be disappointed if I got it and it wasn't for me.
I like a knife to be more functional than a safe knife. I also don't like too small a knife. I also haven't seen one with drop shut action.
I may still get one if I find one below map pricing otherwise I'm a pass for now.
I like a knife to be more functional than a safe knife. I also don't like too small a knife. I also haven't seen one with drop shut action.
I may still get one if I find one below map pricing otherwise I'm a pass for now.
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You guys should check out the GP Knives video on the 0470. The 0470 has more cutting edge than a Paramilitary 2. With thin blade stock, the weight of the blade isn't heavy enough for drop-shut action.
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It isn't just the weight of the blade, the detent has a ton of drag and a sort of gritty feel even after cleaning/lube. There is also a weird point in closing the knife where the side edge of the lock bar insert drags against the blade before the detent makes contact.
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Mine is apparently one of the few that is fine
So to recap we have what 3 first hand accounts of issues...all regarding F&F....uneven bevel, machining marks on the blade, and gritty action? And a rumor that a retailer is getting returns. Better have ZT stop production, they have obviously gone off the rails over there!
I'll be curious to see how this plays out outside of BF, where the enthusiasts are much more picky about the fine details. Gritty action is easily rectified, as are uneven bevels. While it may suck to have high hopes for a blade, then find a detail that you disapprove of...none of the defects seem to prevent the knife from being used to cut things. And while in a perfect world nothing would leave the shop without being 100% in spec...that's just not the case. Realistically there is going to be things that need to get dialed in, especially on first runs. I bet if you worked with their customer service team they would rectify any issues....or return to the dealer and ask they send you a new one....but doesn't quite feel like its time to sound the alarm yet.
So to recap we have what 3 first hand accounts of issues...all regarding F&F....uneven bevel, machining marks on the blade, and gritty action? And a rumor that a retailer is getting returns. Better have ZT stop production, they have obviously gone off the rails over there!
I'll be curious to see how this plays out outside of BF, where the enthusiasts are much more picky about the fine details. Gritty action is easily rectified, as are uneven bevels. While it may suck to have high hopes for a blade, then find a detail that you disapprove of...none of the defects seem to prevent the knife from being used to cut things. And while in a perfect world nothing would leave the shop without being 100% in spec...that's just not the case. Realistically there is going to be things that need to get dialed in, especially on first runs. I bet if you worked with their customer service team they would rectify any issues....or return to the dealer and ask they send you a new one....but doesn't quite feel like its time to sound the alarm yet.
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Pretty sure individual knife owners are free to form their own opinions on purchases.I didn't see anyone making too much of a fuss that required this kind of response defending ZT.. this isnt the first time a knife had a fit and finish issue and people talked about it on the internet.I didn't like the knife from the second i handled it . everyone is entitled to their own opinionsMine is apparently one of the few that is fine
So to recap we have what 3 first hand accounts of issues...all regarding F&F....uneven bevel, machining marks on the blade, and gritty action? And a rumor that a retailer is getting returns. Better have ZT stop production, they have obviously gone off the rails over there!
I'll be curious to see how this plays out outside of BF, where the enthusiasts are much more picky about the fine details. Gritty action is easily rectified, as are uneven bevels. While it may suck to have high hopes for a blade, then find a detail that you disapprove of...none of the defects seem to prevent the knife from being used to cut things. And while in a perfect world nothing would leave the shop without being 100% in spec...that's just not the case. Realistically there is going to be things that need to get dialed in, especially on first runs. I bet if you worked with their customer service team they would rectify any issues....or return to the dealer and ask they send you a new one....but doesn't quite feel like its time to sound the alarm yet.
Edit: apparently this is not the only conversation about this knifes poor fit and finish https://www.reddit.com/r/knifeclub/comments/9l4gx4/nkd_zt_0470_sinkevich/
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I agree, I gave my opinion after reading yours and a few others. ... you said:
My opinion is simply that 3 postings of minor F&F issues does not mean they have a "quality control issue". I did however use sarcasm...so maybe that part didnt come across properly. Or perhaps I'm not allowed to share my opinion (Sarcasm again
)...Not really a defense of ZT, more so an observation at how little evidence it takes for people to start forming conclusions without allowing time to see the bigger picture. Its an unfortunately common occurrence around here. Keep in mind, I acknowledged that its frustrating to get a blade you are excited for only to find an annoyance, I'm not saying you shouldn't be complaining....just don't assume that there are major quality issues when the knives just started shipping this week and we have only heard a few confirmed complaints.
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yeah.. here are a few more people saying they are having fit and finish issues for a $240 knife it should be perfect.. same issues also grinds uneven and machining marks.. maybe the first run of a new knife wasn't the time to let kenny from the mail room try out the grinder https://www.reddit.com/r/knifeclub/comments/9l4gx4/nkd_zt_0470_sinkevich/I agree, I gave my opinion after reading yours and a few others. ... you said:
My opinion is simply that 3 postings of minor F&F issues does not mean they have a "quality control issue". I did however use sarcasm...so maybe that part didnt come across properly. Or perhaps I'm not allowed to share my opinion (Sarcasm again
Not really a defense of ZT, more so an observation at how little evidence it takes for people to start forming conclusions without allowing time to see the bigger picture. Its an unfortunately common occurrence around here. Keep in mind, I acknowledged that its frustrating to get a blade you are excited for only to find an annoyance, I'm not saying you shouldn't be complaining....just don't assume that there are major quality issues when the knives just started shipping this week and we have only heard a few confirmed complaints.
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ok, so that's one more complaint with 33 comments.... and its the same guy that already chimed in (peacedivision)...so its included in the 3 complaints I mentioned. Plus its coming from off reddit of all places....personally I don't put much stock in anything off that site, but that's just me.
My point is still the same...you have a fair gripe about the blade you got....it doesn't mean its indicative of a bad run. I'm not trying to belittle your opinion. Still Friends?!?
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ok, so that's one more complaint with 33 comments.... and its the same guy that already chimed in (peacedivision)...so its included in the 3 complaints I mentioned. Plus its coming from off reddit of all places....personally I don't put much stock in anything off that site, but that's just me.
My point is still the same...you have a fair gripe about the blade you got....it doesn't mean its indicative of a bad run. I'm not trying to belittle your opinion. Still Friends?!?
Haha yeah that's mine, can't count it as an additional complaint
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Interestingly, that's not how QC in a large scale manufacturing company works. While I cant speak for ZT, I have spent over a decade in a weld shop for a major American car manufacturer that is iso9000/9001 quality certified. Per our certification requirements QC does not involve inspecting every piece...rather a sampling taken off the line every 4hrs. I assume ZT has a similar approach. If you expect perfection because you paid $240 you are eventually gonna get burned....there are customs and productions costing much more that leave the door with issues too. Quality is a numbers game...so long as you keep your defects at 2% or less and have a good warranty/CS team that's actually pretty damn good. If you expect to have all pieces individually inspected its gonna cost more $$. That's why a Chris Reeve Sebenza costs $400+ even though its just S35VN and plain Ti ... the extra $$ goes into the little details (and even they have the occasional QC issue).
There are only a handful of quality American manufacturers around these days, I count ZT among them...personally I like giving people the benefit of the doubt.
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if it was a $40 walmart bubble pack kershaw i would agree with you ..but its a "100% tough made in the usa zero tolerance made for extreme conditions blah blah blah" whatever its a pocketknife not a car .. i returned mine and ill just buy another 0095 s90v bk (found some online still discontinued in 2017) IMO its a better knife by miles.. my wife carries a zt 0450 and thats perfect she also carries a southard dlc (the detent was stiff but spyderco rectified it for us) both of those knives are better than the 470 IMO..
Agree to a point. I was a quality assurance inspector in an electronics repair lab for about 2 years. It was really up to me how much i inspected but i had to meet certain quotas. I had to do at least one QA check on every piece. If a technician was a little questionable or certain pieces from certain manufacturers were known to have reliability issues then i could have the calibration technicians perform function/accuracy tests any time i demanded one. It was totally up to me as long as i did at least one check per piece. On the flip side, if pieces regularly left the shop out of spec or dysfunctional, then it was me who was held accountable.
I don't see why knife manufacturing would be wholly different. I know that if our shop received multiple complaints about gear going out that wasn't very good I'd have been held responsible. It's why i was hired and put into that position. ZT doesn't have a great track record of zero tolerance for defects so at this point to me it's just a name for them.
Anyway, this knife seems like nothing more than a high end Kershaw that could easily sell for $20 had they used different materials. Please don't flame me, I'm only trying to be objective.
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it is a kershaw ..its called the atmos .. its literally just upgraded handles to titanium and 20cv steel (slight upsize)and a paper thin layer of marbled cf clued on.. reminds me of the old kershaw 2415
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Bingo. There's a lot of pretty laughable ignorance being put on display by some folks in this thread about how manufacturing at scale works in real life. As if $240 or any price could completely guarantee a total and complete lack of errors in a mass produced product. It sucks to get a knife with an issue, but 100% perfection at any price is simply never going to happen. That's what CS and warranty departments are for. ZT has a great track record on both QC and CS.
If folks avail themselves of the resources there, they'll be taken care of just fine. No need for all the tears and fits. But, we all have our own ways of processing our felt needs and frustrations, so whatever floats ya, I reckon...
That's the one i was thinking of. Thank youit is a kershaw ..its called the atmos .. its literally just upgraded handles to titanium and 20cv steel (slight upsize)and a paper thin layer of marbled cf clued on.. reminds me of the old kershaw 2415
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