Zero Tolerance Liner Lock Closures?

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Kbrasmodeler said:
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:p Thanks ! That sounds like a fabulous deal ! :D
 
DocJD said:
You have discussed both fixed and none ZT's and even posted pics . Seems it is thou who art confused . o_O
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GTS9 said:
Hi, I want to get a ZT 0909 or 0095 and while doing a little research stumbled across this video.
Just wondering what people think about the blades closing when knocked from the back. I tried to recreate it with sone liner and frame locks from another brand but couldn't. I'm not really that concerned about it and doubt it will affect my purchase, just curious for thoughts.
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Tell me, what does this have to do with Triad locks, or Cold Steel fixed blades?
 
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Kbrasmodeler said:
I figured you'd like that. You were selling Cold Steel pretty hard.
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My favorite brand from many decades of personal experience , torture testing , hard use and martial practice . Not so fancy or fabulous F&F ; don't flip or come in a zillion versions for every model . But for their POU , I believe CS is by far the best value available . :cool::thumbsup::thumbsup:

They should pay me , but never do do . No discounts or even a thank you . Nada ! :mad:

Maybe that's because, I do rather frequently point out shortcomings is their QC (and the crappy coatings on the Drop Forged lineup ) . o_O
 
DocJD said:
My favorite brand from many decades of personal experience , torture testing , hard use and martial practice . Not so fancy or fabulous F&F ; don't flip or come in a zillion versions for every model . But for their POU , I believe CS is by far the best value available . :cool::thumbsup::thumbsup:

They should pay me , but never do do . No discounts or even a thank you . Nada ! :mad:

Maybe that's because, I do rather frequently point out shortcomings is their QC (and the crappy coatings on the Drop Forged lineup ) . o_O
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Sure, sure, but, how is that on topic?
GTS9 said:
Hi, I want to get a ZT 0909 or 0095 and while doing a little research stumbled across this video.
Just wondering what people think about the blades closing when knocked from the back. I tried to recreate it with sone liner and frame locks from another brand but couldn't. I'm not really that concerned about it and doubt it will affect my purchase, just curious for thoughts.
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No mention of Cold Steel, triad locks, etc.
 
Kbrasmodeler said:
I understand. I'm just trying to get a feel for how often this actually comes up. It's been claimed that many need super-strong locks for SD purposes. I'm honestly curious if this is as common as it's made to seem. Are you willing to give a yes/no answer as to whether you've had to pull a knife for SD, and whether it involved actually using it to inflict harm on someone? Multiple times?
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Regardless of any of that it doesn't take much imagination to see how a spine could take a hard hit when used in sd. Even a stab that doesn’t go in straight can put a huge torquing force on a lock.

If you’ve ever been in a fistfight think of how hectic it gets. Now consider a fist fight where you are ambushed. A criminal worth his salt won’t have you knowing you are being attacked until he is already ontop of you.
 
Kbrasmodeler said:
The OP said, and I quote, "Just wondering what people think about the blades closing when knocked from the back."
Tell me, what does this have to do with Triad locks, or Cold Steel fixed blades?
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Apparently you've never seen a CS proof video with all the spine whacking . It's kinda their famous thing ! :rolleyes:
 
Lapedog said:
Regardless of any of that it doesn't take much imagination to see how a spine could take a hard hit when used in sd. Even a stab that doesn’t go in straight can put a huge torquing force on a lock.

If you’ve ever been in a fistfight think of how hectic it gets. Now consider a fist fight where you are ambushed. A criminal worth his salt won’t have you knowing you are being attacked until he is already ontop of you.
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You're right, I can imagine that it would put a lot of stress on a lock in a SD situation. Just curious how many times members here have actually used a knife in SD. I imagine it's pretty rare. Mostly, I think these SD folders are being deployed to cut cardboard and envelopes. Maybe I'm wrong.
 
DocJD said:
Apparently you've never seen a CS proof video with all the spine whacking . It's kinda their famous thing ! :rolleyes:
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Oh, I've seen them, and still have no idea how the OP asking about ZERO TOLERANCE knives has anything to do with it.
 
Kbrasmodeler said:
Oh, I've seen them, and still have no idea how the OP asking about ZERO TOLERANCE knives has anything to do with it.
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But talking of fixed blades and brands other than ZT ( but never Cold Steel ) is apparently on topic ?
 
Kbrasmodeler said:
You're right, I can imagine that it would put a lot of stress on a lock in a SD situation. Just curious how many times members here have actually used a knife in SD. I imagine it's pretty rare. Mostly, I think these SD folders are being deployed to cut cardboard and envelopes. Maybe I'm wrong.
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For the average owner 99.99% of the time they are cutting cardbord. But it is that .01% of the time that your life may depend on it.

Either way there are people with professions where the odds of them relying on a tactical knife might be much higher.
 
DocJD said:
But talking of fixed blades and brands other than ZT ( but never Cold Steel ) is apparently on topic ?
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What matters is how you do it. Personally, I explained why those tests don't matter to me, because I don't rely on locks, and gave some examples of why.

You started shilling for Cold Steel, shouting that they should just give up on all other brands, as the Triad Lock and Cold Steel are the end-all be-all.
 
Kbrasmodeler said:
You're right, I can imagine that it would put a lot of stress on a lock in a SD situation. Just curious how many times members here have actually used a knife in SD. I imagine it's pretty rare. Mostly, I think these SD folders are being deployed to cut cardboard and envelopes. Maybe I'm wrong.
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I bet it's extremely rare. I don't think nearly any of us will come close to having to use one, and I certainly don't plan on even being in situations where that would be likely. But I don't think that makes them not working properly excusable.

Most of us here probably own firearms too, but there's no way anyone here would be happy with anything less than proper operation of their firearms.
 
craytab said:
It's been a long thread. Can you show me where I did that?
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DocJD said:
Police your own refuse . I'm not your servant .
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Kbrasmodeler said:
What, you can't find evidence of your claim, so you play indignant?
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DocJD said:
Ain't PLAYIN' ! :mad:
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It's because it didn't happen.

This is a thread about a specific lock and from a specific company. I'm not sure why it seems important for some to derail the thread to promote their favorite company.
 
DocJD said:
But talking of fixed blades and brands other than ZT ( but never Cold Steel ) is apparently on topic ?
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A little advice from an outsider’s perspective since the more involved one is the harder it is to be objective.

I understand you are trying to be helpful. And lord knows we all are aware of your enthusiasm for cold steel products. Alot of us even who don’t prefer them can’t deny that they are well made knives with probably the strongest lock on the market.

But when you bring it up every single time you don’t realize you are pulling a Gaston. In the same way anyone mentioned a thread about steel he would bud in and say “420j is ultimate steel.” If you mention cold steel every time you are doing something similar.

Now I understand your intentions are good and unlike gaston atleast you are advocating for a good product. Just be aware of the other side of how it can appear to people.
 
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