ZT 0452 lock up

[craytab]

I is it possible for you to explain exactly what model you're talking about and put up a picture with an explanation and maybe we can discuss when we know more specifics

I believe their were some folks early on in the thread who had this issue and took pictures.

 

[EyeDog]

So how did you sleep last night, doggy?

[emoji56] like a baby. I had my 452cf under my pillow.

 

[DJC72]

I had a similar issue with the lockbar on my 0562. It was my bad though, I changed the scale and was messing with the pivot trying to find that sweet spot for this flipper. I soon noticed my lockbar would move when I cutting through thick cardboard. After seeing this thread I tightened up my pivot, now it's solid. Thanks guys

 

[jill jackson]

Just got this 0562CF and it's got very early and extremely solid lock up. You won't thumb pressure this lock over at all. Flips a lot easier than the 0452. I really like this one.

 

[jill jackson]

I like this better than the 0452 even, it's very solid and feels great in hand. Flips, easy and smooth. With the slicer grind what's not to like?

 

[grownstar]

[emoji56] like a baby. I had my 452cf under my pillow.

Lol that's what I'm talking about!

And Jill, that 0562 is beautiful! Great ergos, blade grinds, the works! I've read many claim you don't need a real Hinderer when you can get one of those.

 

[Quiet]

Lol that's what I'm talking about!

And Jill, that 0562 is beautiful! Great ergos, blade grinds, the works! I've read many claim you don't need a real Hinderer when you can get one of those.

After holding a few at Blade, I would agree with that assessment. A Hinderer design with an actual useable detent? YES PLEASE.

 

[jill jackson]

I read they flip a lot better than a Hinderer. Cost less and it's just an overall solid knife. As soon as I held it I knew it was a keeper. Pictures alone just can't convey the feel of solidness in hand. Plus, I kid you not that lock bar will not move in for me even a tad.

 

[Bludgeon]

I read they flip a lot better than a Hinderer. Cost less and it's just an overall solid knife. As soon as I held it I knew it was a keeper. Pictures alone just can't convey the feel of solidness in hand. Plus, I kid you not that lock bar will not move in for me even a tad.

They should flip better than a hinderer, their on bearings. Now a hinderer eclipse with bearing pivot out flips 0562 easily.

 

[MEJ]

I like this better than the 0452 even, it's very solid and feels great in hand. Flips, easy and smooth. With the slicer grind what's not to like?

Well im of the opinion that the butt of the knife is hideous. Other than that the 0562 is a great looking knife.

 

[PURPLEDC]

They should flip better than a hinderer, their on bearings. Now a hinderer eclipse with bearing pivot out flips 0562 easily.

Bearings really arent what makes a knife smooth. Its more in the detent and surface finish of the blade. I have seen washer knives that you would have no idea were not on bearings. And where have you seen an eklipse with bearings? Rick has stated he is not very fond of bearing pivots and its the first Ive heard of an eklipse with anything but teflon washers like the xm.

 

[bflying]

I like this better than the 0452 even, it's very solid and feels great in hand. Flips, easy and smooth. With the slicer grind what's not to like?

Oh great. You would remind me about the 562CF that I have on backorder. I've been waiting forever. I know there are a few places to find them, but I don't want to pay a premium, so I'll just keep waiting for my dealer that gives me a good discount. At one point in time, that was my grail knife, but now I've got a grail list. I am still eagerly waiting for it's arrival. I guess my incoming 452CF will just have to tide me over for a while. Still trying to break the wife in to the concept of a few customs, or even just a couple Sebenza's. But every time she looks at my 200+ pile of knives, I get the stink-eye. But hey, she buys clothes, shoes, and purses....I buy guns and knives. Neither one of us see the value in the other. Time for counseling. Although that won't happen until I find a counselor that is also into guns and knives.

 

[Mustico]

where have you seen an eklipse with bearings?

Perhaps they are referring to the ZT iteration of the design. The 0392 i believe?

 

[Murindo]

My 0452 locks up around 30% when flipped and doesn't move, no matter how hard i squeeze on the lockbar.

+1 had mine since the first batch and this knife is perfect

 

[craytab]

Bearings really arent what makes a knife smooth. Its more in the detent and surface finish of the blade. I have seen washer knives that you would have no idea were not on bearings. And where have you seen an eklipse with bearings? Rick has stated he is not very fond of bearing pivots and its the first Ive heard of an eklipse with anything but teflon washers like the xm.

This has been my experience too. My Gen 2 550 is more smooth than any of my ZTs with bearing, though not by much. I am guessing when it got its custom scales some work was done to help smoothness. If not, then good on ZT for such a smooth knife. The 0562cf is very close though. What a great knife.

 

[Rey HRH]

This has been my experience too. My Gen 2 550 is more smooth than any of my ZTs with bearing, though not by much. I am guessing when it got its custom scales some work was done to help smoothness. If not, then good on ZT for such a smooth knife. The 0562cf is very close though. What a great knife.

Very nice pic. Great composition. And I like water fountains.

 

[jill jackson]

I don't see where a knife is smoother opening anyway based on the price. It's just not something that's necessarily dependent on that in my experience.

 

[Insipid Moniker]

I don't see where a knife is smoother opening anyway based on the price. It's just not something that's necessarily dependent on that in my experience.

Agreed. The Buck Marksman and CRKT Eraser are the two best production flippers I've ever handled. The Buck was under $100 and the CRKT was right around $50.

 

[Sikael]

Agreed. The Buck Marksman and CRKT Eraser are the two best production flippers I've ever handled. The Buck was under $100 and the CRKT was right around $50.

I haven't tried either knife, and I strongly dislike CRKT due to some bad early knife buying experiences; but I know the IKBS works nicely... if the Eraser is an IKBS model. There's no cage for the bearings, just a milled-out track, so taking them apart is a bit tricky -- you can end up with loose ball bearings dropping to the floor and rolling their way to freedom.

The KVT system uses the polymer cage, which works great on a glossy coated surface like you find on the ZT 0561. Even slightly rougher surfaces compromise that smoothness, by gripping the bearings and making them spin. I've had to take a couple of my ZT's apart to free up the bearings when they stick to the polymer (dirt, lint and dust jam them up), just twisting them back and forth, wiping them down, making sure they spin; on the 0561, because of the glossy coat, they slide across the surface like billiard balls against a pane of glass, no rolling. The new ZT 0900 uses caged bearings, but the KVT polymer has been substituted for bronze phosphor or steel caging rings -- to excellent effect.

The Slysz Bowie is another one with a glossy blade, and it's incredibly smooth on over-sized washers. The Sebenza is a different kind of smooth, an almost hydraulic feel that is perfectly consistent at all points along the opening and closing arc. I've tried several midtechs on bearings and washers, none of which were better than ZT's.

I've just recently picked up two Shirogorov knives, both using their SRBS pivots. I haven't received the second one, but the F95 is the smoothest knife I've owned so far, and the best flipper. The SRBS is their basic bearing design, similar to GTC bearings in that the ring caging the bearings is metal; each bearing rolls very freely. Once you get into the Custom Division models and full customs, you find MRBS, SRRBS, and DRRBS, all reportedly even smoother.

Sometimes price does equal a smoother knife, but it's not a direct correlation, that's for sure. Even with IKBS, I think there's a noticeable difference between the regular IKBS you get with CRKT models and the upgraded IKBS-Ceramic bearings Todd Begg and other makers use.

 

[craytab]

Agreed. The Buck Marksman and CRKT Eraser are the two best production flippers I've ever handled. The Buck was under $100 and the CRKT was right around $50.

True with the CRKT. But you want to talk about flimsy lock bar....Mine was horribly thin and almost all the way over. No thumb pressure needed! Too bad. If CRKT could have executed that knife better it would still probably be in production and be a favorite for knife nuts on a budget.