ZT 0801 lock bar slip; Does yours exhibit this behavior?

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TotalDbag said:
Not the kind of slip he's talking about. He's saying it slips inwards towards the other side of the handle. Steel on steel (same RC hardness)is by nature smooth and therefore slippy. Steel on Ti is by nature rough and therefore sticky (because of the galling).......it seems it's impossible to please people in the knife industry. First they complain about the lock sticking. And once they solve that problem they complain about the lock NOT sticking.
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I would say correct, but the 0600 does not have this behavior. Others have stated that Microtech doesn't have this problem...Some have gone back and forth with KAI until they received an 0801 without this behavior. So it can be undone.

It's not too significant, but when you're buying knives at this price point; you kind of want the knife to have the correct workings that the designer intended it to have.
 
duro said:
I would say correct, but the 0600 does not have this behavior. Others have stated that Microtech doesn't have this problem...Some have gone back and forth with KAI until they received an 0801 without this behavior. So it can be undone.

It's not too significant, but when you're buying knives at this price point; you kind of want the knife to have the correct workings that the designer intended it to have.
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I have a single question. How does this "problem" affect using the 0801?
 
Well, the vid answers my question. I guess with a lockbar that thick both things are happening. I think that would bug me too. :(
 
9blades said:
I have a single question. How does this "problem" affect using the 0801?
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I was thinking the same thing. I can't think of any reason I'd ever put that amount of the downward force on the spine of the knife when cutting something. The first person that says "batoning" gets banned. :p
 
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I think the only problem is that the tang isn't as radiused as it should be. As far as using the knife goes, it's not an issue unless you're making a tough cut and exert a lot of force on the handle. Then, as one other poster has mentioned, it's a bit tough to unlock the knife.

No need to be wise here people...You pay a lot for these knives, so you just want to ensure you're getting a true representation of the model.
 
G. Scott H. said:
Batoning! :p
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Disengage the lock before doing so....these locking folders are fragile for crying out loud. Who actually buys a knife that's already broken? It's INSANITY! :D

EDIT: Actually...that's the solution. Before doing something stupid with a locking folder, disengage the lock. Problem solved!
 
I can tell you that I have put the 801 through a pile of work. I haven't ever been shy about using this knife, and It has NEVER failed me in any way. If you have any issues with knives like you are saying then why do you continue to buy them? I know a number of people both in person and from this forum that own the 801 and I haven't ever heard of a single one failing
 
The reason the Microtech may be different is because of a lip machined into the tang itself to prevent the lock bar from going over too far. The potential problem this presents is inevitable lock rock.

Morrow said:
Disengage the lock before doing so....these locking folders are fragile for crying out loud. Who actually buys a knife that's already broken? It's INSANITY! :D

EDIT: Actually...that's the solution. Before doing something stupid with a locking folder, disengage the lock., and engage your brain. Problem solved!
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I fixed tour incomplete post.
 
duro said:
I would say correct, but the 0600 does not have this behavior. Others have stated that Microtech doesn't have this problem...Some have gone back and forth with KAI until they received an 0801 without this behavior. So it can be undone.

It's not too significant, but when you're buying knives at this price point; you kind of want the knife to have the correct workings that the designer intended it to have.
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There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with the knife. It functions just like it was supposed to. You're making an issue out of nothing.
 
RevDevil said:
The reason the Microtech may be different is because of a lip machined into the tang itself to prevent the lock bar from going over too far. The potential problem this presents is inevitable lock rock.



I fixed tour incomplete post.
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My Microtech Whaleshark exhibits the same behavior as the 801 in question so I wouldn't say Microtech's are all immune to this "problem". It's never once bothered me either since the lockup is just as solid no matter how far inwards it engages.
 
Also just consider that it locks up similar to most sebenza knives. There is nothing wrong with that.. It is certainly a trait that makes it more reliable in my opinion.
 
^ couldn't. You couldn't care less. If you are going to use an expression, at least get it right.

duro said:
You're right. There seems to be a lot of poor quality production knives on the market from a few big players in the industry. I'm beginning to think that the only way KAI can offer such a high quality knife, at a great price, is to skimp out on employee wages and QC.

Fallout? I could care less. I'm simply stating the facts..as per usual.
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"ZT 0801 lock bar slip; Does yours exhibit this behavior?" Yes it sure does, and I am so thankful for it. It gives me a knife that is easy to unlock and won't wear out as fast as a Titanium lock bar. I have sold nearly 50 of these so far with not even one complaint. With the exception of the original triple seven this 0801 is my favorite ZT to date and it is a very impressive knife. The lock bar is a total NON issue. There will always be some people that will try to find fault in everything, but I , as a very long time collector and dealer am here to tell you that this knife is a gem and I stand behind it 100%, if you buy one from me and are not happy , just return it to me no Questions asked and no problem. I really can't see anyone ever saying anything derogatory about this knife, it really is that nice. So please don't let one persons opinion keep you from owning this one, it really is that nice.
 
Personally, I think you just like to bitch about anything you "think" is wrong with a knife. I also think you're butthurt because you heard about people having knives given to them by KAI. Being bought off as you put it I believe. If there truly "is" something wrong with a ZT or a Kershaw, send it the F in and shut up. KAI does not have lousy QC, I have STACKS of ZT and Kershaws and out of all of them the only issue is a slightly weak detent on one knife out of 27. On top of that they will send you clips, handle/pivot screws, washers, and torsion bars FOR FREE. All you have to do is email them. Sounds like a pretty crappy company to me (insert sarcasm)
 
duro said:
You're right. There seems to be a lot of poor quality production knives on the market from a few big players in the industry. I'm beginning to think that the only way KAI can offer such a high quality knife, at a great price, is to skimp out on employee wages and QC.

Fallout? I could care less. I'm simply stating the facts..as per usual.
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Or maybe someone isnt educated enough to know what is and isnt a defect or just the nature of knives in general? Moving to customs wont cure you being wrong on a number of topics. If anything you will probably find more disappointment. No matter what you buy, if you look for something to be wrong with something, you will find it.

duro said:
I would say correct, but the 0600 does not have this behavior. Others have stated that Microtech doesn't have this problem...Some have gone back and forth with KAI until they received an 0801 without this behavior. So it can be undone.

It's not too significant, but when you're buying knives at this price point; you kind of want the knife to have the correct workings that the designer intended it to have.
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Different knives will behave differently. Tightening your pivot as much as you can and still have it flip would greatly reduce the amount your lockbar is pushing over. Loosen the pivot on your 0600. I bet you will notice it will have the same "issue". Microtech and how their knives work has nothing to do with anything other than microtech. As was said some have a lip that prevents the lockbar from engaging further and some knives instead of the tang being ground like a ramp are curved. The curved tangs will not engage all the way but like having the lip can develop rock later on. And your comments about what the designer intended to have? Have you spoken with todd rexford or any representative of Kai about the issue? If not how did you come to this conclusion. Trust me man, you are either going to drive yourself crazy being too picky on things you dont have a full understanding of or your going to stop collecting.


duro said:
I think the only problem is that the tang isn't as radiused as it should be.
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As it should be? According to who? You? Do you know what issues can arise from having a radius to the tang of a folder?
 
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Lol it's just a personal vendetta, everyone has their crusades. Everyone got sick of this in the sub forum before he was politely asked not to post there anymore....
 
Wow, this is a weird thread. The linked video doesn't seem to even support the weird supposition that there is a problem in the first place.

If I push in hard, I can make my 0801 lock bar slid over a bit, but I have a hard time imagining it will somehow fail because of this. Especially since it's never slid over that far as I've been actually using the knife. If anything, I think the ease with which I can disengage the lockbar is one of the reasons I love this knife (it's my favorite ZT). It feels great, works great, and IMO, looks great as well:

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Doesn't imagining problems that you haven't had yet cause you a lot of undue stress? I mean, if it was actually a problem (e.g. my Emerson CQC-7B that would unlock if you looked directly at it) I could understand your concern, but this seems like a lot of effort for some weird hypothetical totally unsupported by user experiences, doesn't it?
 
duro said:
You sir are correct. It's time to forget about production knives and move further into customs.
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Yeah cuz customs are flawless.. Maybe just stick to fixed blades, then again maybe the handle will fall off..
 
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