ZT Limited Edition 0999

arskrg said:
There's a bit of irony in those ZT Hinderers, they started as a more accessible version of a Hinderer for the common man back when a real Hinderer was more hard to come by and much more expensive. Now it seems to have switched. Real Hinderers are all over the place for comparatively modest prices and the ZT LE's are hard to come by and secondary prices are crazy for a ZT.
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Except you get full time scales on a ZT LE like the 0392 compared to the eklipse for much cheaper...
 
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austonh said:
I greatly prefer the ZT options to the real Hinderers. Full Ti, (which cost an extra $200 from Hinderer), bearings, and a steel lock insert.
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And they flip open when you depress the flipper, although it seems there are more and more strong detente well flipping hinderers being put out recently.

I can see how the 0999 would be perceived as ugly and I see how it can be perceived as beautiful, but I'll be darned if it aint intriguing!
 
That original Ti and blue 0392 isn't bad looking at all. The other colors look hideous. The 0999 is hideous. I don't see the point of a carbon fiber insert in a blade other than to say "LOL we did it". 3D machined carbon fiber has been done before by several companies, likewise with 3D milled Ti. Overall the 0999 seems to be another example of "just because you can doesn't mean you should." Likewise, it won an award in 2015 and won't be seen for 2-3 years similar to their other special LEs. Maybe it won't look so bad after it's released. IMO. YMMV.
 
0999 is ugly, will pass without a second thought. Especially since they're asking for 1.5x the amount original damascus 0777's went for.
 
The ZT 0392 at $400 are a relative bargain (0392WC at $450 excluded). Each 0392 has about $150 worth of genuine Hinderer hardware.

A Hinderer Eklipse with full titanium scales will run you about $650+ and you get inferior blade steel & flipper action and no steel lock bar insert.

With 6 models in the 0392 line they should've produced 6 different blade shapes instead of 2 and toned down the color schemes.

Still hoping for a 0392BOWIE!
 
This thread is becoming pretty entertaining. Can't we all just agree to disagree on certain things? Some people will hate this knife and some will love it. No one is right or wrong.
 
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I dont agree the Hinderers are bad flippers, mine flip just as smooth as a ZT 562, 801, without bearings, they are the smoothest flippers, my MP-1 takes the cake
 
marcinek said:
I'm with you. Ugly. Guess that opinion on the aesthetics of that knife makes us both classless, heartless internet monkeys. :D

At least we are lucky enough to have members looking down their noses at us and telling us so, or we might not know! :rolleyes:
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marcinek said:
Not that one.

If you are going to continue tossing insults whenever someone is asked for their opinion and it turns out to be negative, or even worse, Scagel forbid, differs from your classy, hearfelt, open minded opinion, then maybe its time to rethink your ability to participate in a forum where ideas are exchanged.

This isnt a ZT fan subforum, its General. Its within the rules to expess a negative opinion when asked for it. It's not within the rules to insult other members.

That knife is butt ugly.
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Oh quite the contrary. I enjoy discourse here with people who know and contribute, and also looking down my nose at self-described "heartless internet monkeys". :D

The 999 is a great looking knife, and the ZT 0392 outshines the Hinderer made knives big league.

best

mqqn
 
mqqn said:
Such is the loss of class that the internet has brought.

Lots to like in the ZT world if people could just stop looking down their noses at knives they have not even (and probably will never) handle in real life.

best

mqqn
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^ Word! :thumbup:



mqqn said:
What I am saying is simply you can have constructive criticism without being a rude jerk. Maybe a few of you cannot. And when you cannot do something in a gentlemanly or classy manner, you lack class. It's not that hard to understand.

People work hard to make the knives that are brought out. The only reason some of these people crap all over ZT threads is because the know or suspect there are no moderators that will take them to task for their trolling.

Case in point...
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1449601-Manufacturer-Rep-Mods

If you can't have any manner of class in your online dealings, don't get butthurt when someone calls you out on it. Live it and love it, it's all you.

best

mqqn
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^ Key word's here: rude, jerk, troll, butthurt <The common denominator of a select few on this forum. Their sole purpose for being on this knife forum (a hobby/passion most of these troll's know very little about), is very simple: to troll. It's what they do!

mqqn said:
Oh quite the contrary. I enjoy discourse here with people who know and contribute, and also looking down my nose at self-described "heartless internet monkeys". :D

best

mqqn
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^ mqqn: boy, when you're right, you're right! :thumbup: :thumbup:


Back on topic: I'm still on the fence, whether I'll try to land one of these ZT 999's, mqqn.
 
Grandmaster said:
I dont agree the Hinderers are bad flippers, mine flip just as smooth as a ZT 562, 801,
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I rather doubt that.
I have a Hinderer XM-18, the ZT 0801, 0804CF, and the 0561 (as well as a few others...).
The only time the Hinderer flips well is when I have drenched it with Tuf-Glide...it then flips nicely for a couple of days.
After that though, it is right back to not flipping very well, even when using the approved flipper technique for Hinderers.

I like the XM-18, but not because it is a flipper.
 
SWDT (Same Words Different Thread)

Discuss the knives, not each other.
 
Hinderers don't flip the same as a bearing flipper. Bearing flippers load up pressure and pop open suddenly. Hinderers you sorta have to roll them out in a fluid motion. Following through on the tab. Hinderers can be shaken out just holding the handle and flicked out with the thumbstuds. Something you can never do with a bearing flipper, due to the stronger detent. I've never oiled any of mine and have no trouble opening them with all three methods. Love my bearing flippers, but I don't feel hindered by the Hinderers at all.
 
stabman said:
I rather doubt that.
I have a Hinderer XM-18, the ZT 0801, 0804CF, and the 0561 (as well as a few others...).
The only time the Hinderer flips well is when I have drenched it with Tuf-Glide...it then flips nicely for a couple of days.
After that though, it is right back to not flipping very well, even when using the approved flipper technique for Hinderers.

I like the XM-18, but not because it is a flipper.
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^ I totally agree SM! :thumbup:

I've owned 3 Hinderer XM-18's, and none of them flipped worth a damn. I really like the look of Hinderer knives. They're high quality knives, but what I can't understand is: why can't they design, or use parts that allow their XM models, to flip like their ZT collaborations (the ZT 0392 in particular)? :confused:

BTW mqqn: how did this ZT 0999 flip (apologies if you mentioned this already)?
 
KELAMA said:
^ I totally agree SM! :thumbup:

I've owned 3 Hinderer XM-18's, and none of them flipped worth a damn. I really like the look of Hinderer knives. They're high quality knives, but what I can't understand is: why can't they design, or use parts that allow their XM models, to flip like their ZT collaborations (the ZT 0392 in particular)? :confused:

BTW mqqn: how did this ZT 0999 flip (apologies if you mentioned this already)?
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Hinderer could use bearings and stiffen up the detent and have a knife that opens like a ZT. Pull the tab build up pressure, overcome it and pow the blade opens. They design a Hinderer so it opens, by flipping (if you know how) by thumb-stud and by just flicking the handle. Two ways my ZT 0562 won't ever open. Hinderer claims to do so, so their knives can be opened while wearing gloves. One member here swore you can't design a folder to open all 3 ways. It can't be done, he claimed if the knife could be opened the other two ways, no way it will flip well. My dad and I made this video to show him how it's done.

[video=youtube;1FqxxE5aVlY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FqxxE5aVlY[/video]
 
jill jackson said:
Hinderer could use bearings and stiffen up the detent and have a knife that opens like a ZT. Pull the tab build up pressure, overcome it and pow the blade opens. They design a Hinderer so it opens, by flipping (if you know how) by thumb-stud and by just flicking the handle. Two ways my ZT 0562 won't ever open. Hinderer claims to do so, so their knives can be opened while wearing gloves. One member here swore you can't design a folder to open all 3 ways. It can't be done, he claimed if the knife could be opened the other two ways, no way it will flip well. My dad and I made this video to show him how it's done.

[video=youtube;1FqxxE5aVlY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FqxxE5aVlY[/video]
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^ Thank you for the explanation, Jill, & the excellent video :thumbup: ...you had me at Orange G-10. :) :love_heart:
 
KELAMA said:
^ I totally agree SM! :thumbup:

I've owned 3 Hinderer XM-18's, and none of them flipped worth a damn. I really like the look of Hinderer knives. They're high quality knives, but what I can't understand is: why can't they design, or use parts that allow their XM models, to flip like their ZT collaborations (the ZT 0392 in particular)? :confused:

BTW mqqn: how did this ZT 0999 flip (apologies if you mentioned this already)?
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The 999 flips very nicely, the ZT people had the protos I handled really well dialed in with regard to the flipping action.

The 999 is a large knife, and the blade is also large, but the cutout in the blade reduces mass so the blade is able to move faster, which results in a faster flipping action. Additionally, the flipper tab is large, and the serrated portion of the tab is canted forward, so you really can get some force on the opening motion.

I think Jill hit the nail on the head about the Hinderer flipping - it is like the CRK folks say, with great attention to tolerances and high quality materials such as the Hinderer knives enjoy, you get that "hydraulic" feel when opening the blade. The same feel can tend to make the action feel slower when compared to a bearing pivot flipper.

Great video, Jill - and I really like that bowie blade on the Hinderer - you can't get that grind on a ZT flipper.

best

mqqn
 
mqqn said:
The 999 flips very nicely, the ZT people had the protos I handled really well dialed in with regard to the flipping action.

The 999 is a large knife, and the blade is also large, but the cutout in the blade reduces mass so the blade is able to move faster, which results in a faster flipping action. Additionally, the flipper tab is large, and the serrated portion of the tab is canted forward, so you really can get some force on the opening motion.

I think Jill hit the nail on the head about the Hinderer flipping - it is like the CRK folks say, with great attention to tolerances and high quality materials such as the Hinderer knives enjoy, you get that "hydraulic" feel when opening the blade. The same feel can tend to make the action feel slower when compared to a bearing pivot flipper.

Great video, Jill - and I really like that bowie blade on the Hinderer - you can't get that grind on a ZT flipper.

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mqqn
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^ Thanks for your keen insight. :) I'm thinking that on the morning of the release, it'll be contingent on how busy I'll be at work, and also, how quickly this LE run sells out.

+1 on your post regarding Jill. :thumbup:
 
Video from ZT:

[video=youtube;WW4w0g2r-1c]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WW4w0g2r-1c[/video]

Specs from a European ZT dealer:

  • Blade length: 104mm -- 4.09 inches
  • Blade thickness: 4mm -- 0.15748 inches
  • Closed Length: 145mm -- 5.71 inches
  • Overall length: 240mm -- 9.45 inches
  • Thick when closed: 15mm -- 0.59 inches
  • Weight: 185g -- 6.52 ounces
  • Price Excl. Tax: €696.72 -- $751.03
  • Price Incl. Tax (Italy VAT at 22%): €850.00 -- $916.26
 
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