ZT Quality Control...

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jkulysses said:
So where else would one post about a ZT knife then??
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Alright let me further spell it out for you. Before the subforum closed down, anyone who had QC issues posting a thread there was grilled to no end (regardless if they were genuine or trolling). Once it closed down, of course QC questions and individual experiences positive or negative now obviously goes to General. The ZT hardliners though take ownership like it was still the KAI subforum chasing everyone away who has anything but good things to say about the brand.

So to answer your rhetorical question, one would post it here on General. But that wasn't the point. Hope that simplified it enough.
 
daveb068 said:
Seems like you're the only one here attacking anyone and have done so in every one of your posts in this thread. Guess general is for trolls as well as ZT fanboys.
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That's okay. You're a member of "The Order" and a frequent flyer on the defunct KAI subforum so I'll take your observation with a grain of salt (or two). Now I'm trolling because I'm calling out the rabid hardliners. Sorry for being sick and tired of how some of you treat others on here. Thread after thread of "No it's your fault, stop posting these threads!".
 
If it locks at all it should lock securely. That's it. Any defense of what happens in the video as operator error is wrong. Locking so slightly that it can be closed by finger pressure on the spine should only be expected from carnival game knives. I wouldn't have started a thread cause you know you are going to get dog piled, but you should definitely get a replacement from the dealer or at least send it in so they can see that they sent out a knife in this state. I'm sure it's just a fluke. Every zt I have owned or handled has been solid.
 
Stays Sharp said:
Alright let me further spell it out for you. Before the subforum closed down, anyone who had QC issues posting a thread there was grilled to no end (regardless if they were genuine or trolling). Once it closed down, of course QC questions and individual experiences positive or negative now obviously goes to General. The ZT hardliners though take ownership like it was still the KAI subforum chasing everyone away who has anything but good things to say about the brand.

So to answer your rhetorical question, one would post it here on General. But that wasn't the point. Hope that simplified it enough.
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Don't act like it's exclusive to ZT.

There have been Benchmade AND Spyderco threads on quality, posted in general, over the past few weeks and THEY ALL GO DOWN THE SAME WAY.

It's almost as if 'contact the manufacturer before shitting on them' is universal and sound advice regardless of the company.
 
Scurvy092 said:
Don't act like it's exclusive to ZT.

There have been Benchmade AND Spyderco threads on quality, posted in general, over the past few weeks and THEY ALL GO DOWN THE SAME WAY.

It's almost as if 'contact the manufacturer before shitting on them' is universal and sound advice regardless of the company.
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Not exclusive to ZT but it is noticeably more rampant with you and I think many will agree. I've seen those other brands' threads you speak of that also went downhill... But for example do you remember the recent Southard broken blade thread (seemed like a genuine OP) and how everyone behaved and ended with a positive resolution? Now imagine if it was about a ZT0560, all hell would have broken loose..

... And no, not everyone posting QC threads are automatically "sh*tting" on your brand. Stop catching feelings and maybe you can see that. But yes there are those rare hate threads I give you that.
 
Stays Sharp said:
Not exclusive to ZT but it is noticeably more rampant with you and I think many will agree. I've seen those other brands' threads you speak of that also went downhill... But for example do you remember the recent Southard broken blade thread (seemed like a genuine OP) and how everyone behaved and ended with a positive resolution? Now imagine if it was about a ZT0560, hell would have broken loose.
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This times a thousand. If the shoe fits....
 
I almost vomited when I read the title, this just never ends well. :(

If you're willing to wait for the lock up to move over a bit, it shouldn't be a problem. With the bent standoffs, you pretty much have five options, call/email ZT and they'll send you new ones, send it into ZT and they'll make sure it comes back perfect, assuming you bought it from a dealer ask for a replacement, sell it, and lastly, you could forget about this stuff and cut some things, which, in my opinion would be the easiest, and the most fun option...:)

Cheers,
Kirby
 
Rubicon_Joey said:
The statement is an exaggeration based on the obvious manufacturing flaw that made it through. Noticed how I used the phrase "seems like"....I'm not implying that it's truly non-existent.
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Scurvey092, it is very transparent what you do here, in case nobody has told you. This man was angered about the quality of a brand new knife that he bought from a reputable dealer. He communicated his anger, and with the knife in his hand, he communicated accurately how he felt in the moment about ZT QA and QC. Does N=1 make a statistically significant sample size to say that ZT has non-existent QC, no. Is it how the OP felt in the moment, yes. Nothing posted in this forum has turned me off to ZT more than you and those like you always coming into these kind of threads trying your hardest to make us all believe that ZT turns water into wine while they walk on water. Please stop this and try to be helpful to the OP, not ZT or KAI. It would be nice to have objectivity when somebody has a problem. I don't even read your posts any more as your bias is stamped in your sig. line. If I want KAI bias, I can visit their website.
 
Stays Sharp said:
Not exclusive to ZT but it is noticeably more rampant with you and I think many will agree. I've seen those other brands' threads you speak of that also went downhill... But for example do you remember the recent Southard broken blade thread (seemed like a genuine OP) and how everyone behaved and ended with a positive resolution? Now imagine if it was about a ZT0560, all hell would have broken loose..

... And no, not everyone posting QC threads are automatically "sh*tting" on your brand. Stop catching feelings and maybe you can see that. But yes there are those rare hate threads I give you that.
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They end that way because some people just keep poking. We would not be at this point without your initial comments about fanboys. Tell me how that in any way helped with the problem the OP is having. What good has the majority of any of these comments done to help the OP? Absolutely none. People that keep taking the little jabs are the reason these types of threads escalate and are eventually closed.
 
Scurvy092 said:
Don't act like it's exclusive to ZT.

There have been Benchmade AND Spyderco threads on quality, posted in general, over the past few weeks and THEY ALL GO DOWN THE SAME WAY.

It's almost as if 'contact the manufacturer before s******* on them' is universal and sound advice regardless of the company.
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I don't disagree with that advice, but I would make it clear that posting a thread about a faulty product does not automatically equal bashing a company. If I pay for a high dollar blade and it comes with an obvious flaw, I'm not going to keep it a secret. I'll let people know that I bought X knife from Y company and it failed in Z manner. I'll give the company a chance to correct their mistake, and praise them publically if they do, but there seems to be some notion that the consumer owes the company both silence and a chance to make things right. They do not. If I give a company my business, I owe them nothing beyond the money for the product and, I would argue, a baseline level of respect and honesty.
 
9blades said:
I almost vomited when I read the title, this just never ends well. :(

If you're willing to wait for the lock up to move over a bit, it shouldn't be a problem. With the bent standoffs, you pretty much have five options, call/email ZT and they'll send you new ones, send it into ZT and they'll make sure it comes back perfect, assuming you bought it from a dealer ask for a replacement, sell it, and lastly, you could forget about this stuff and cut some things, which, in my opinion would be the easiest, and the most fun option...:)

Cheers,
Kirby
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Now that is some helpful, objective advice. Thank you.
 
Stop discussing each other or I'm going to drop something heavy on all of your heads.
 
daveb068 said:
They end that way because some people just keep poking. We would not be at this point without your initial comments about fanboys. Tell me how that in any way helped with the problem the OP is having. What good has the majority of any of these comments done to help the OP? Absolutely none. People that keep taking the little jabs are the reason these types of threads escalate and are eventually closed.
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Because enough is enough and something positive will come out of this. Consider this a complaint, that chasing away people's experiences with ZT because it isn't positive should NOT be tolerated here on General like it was on the defunct subforum. BELIEVE ME... Had I not stepped up BEFORE the crew, he'd be getting drilled right now for sharing this. That's how it goes everytime. I thought ahead, so be it if you blame me. I'm probably as much a fan of ZT as you guys are. But there's a biggggg difference.
 
daveb068 said:
They end that way because some people just keep poking. We would not be at this point without your initial comments about fanboys. Tell me how that in any way helped with the problem the OP is having. What good has the majority of any of these comments done to help the OP? Absolutely none. People that keep taking the little jabs are the reason these types of threads escalate and are eventually closed.
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To be fair, he was right. Very shortly after he posted his comment, Scurvey came on and claimed it was user error. There was no recognition of the fact (yes, I say fact) that this knife is defective. Does that mean that all ZT's are defective? Of course not, but you have to allow for the fact that some of them are, which some of you seem to have a hard time with. Instead of blaming the user for a knife that's clearly defective, give the OP some good advice.
 
Scurvy092 said:
Don't act like it's exclusive to ZT.

There have been Benchmade AND Spyderco threads on quality, posted in general, over the past few weeks and THEY ALL GO DOWN THE SAME WAY.

It's almost as if 'contact the manufacturer before shitting on them' is universal and sound advice regardless of the company.
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I totally agree, dog piling happens with every manufacturer. It's too bad because it hinders any real discussion that may have happened in the thread. I for one think as long as the thread is posted with good intent and tone and the op follows up after getting the knife back from the manufacturer there is nothing wrong with posting a thread about an out of box issue. It makes consumers aware of problems they may encounter, how to handle them, and how the manufacturer handles them. It's usually best for as many people as possible to be as informed as possible.
 
MJF said:
To be fair, he was right. Very shortly after he posted his comment, Scurvey came on and claimed it was user error. There was no recognition of the fact (yes, I say fact) that this knife is defective. Does that mean that all ZT's are defective? Of course not, but you have to allow for the fact that some of them are, which some of you seem to have a hard time with. Instead of blaming the user for a knife that's clearly defective, give the OP some good advice.
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Sure, I'll give you that. Every company squeezes out a lemon every now and again, and from the looks of the video that ZT isn't locking properly. But don't overlook this comment made BEFORE Scurvy even came into this thread:

Stays Sharp said:
They'll make it right but didnt you know? As mandated by their fanboys, youre not aloud to make threads about CS and QC until after it is resolved. Doesnt matter that this is General and not the ZT subforum. Oh.... Be ready. Mr potatohead in 3 2 1.
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If that's not stirring the pot, I don't know what is. How did this comment help the OP? None whatsoever, from what I can tell.
 
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