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I dont know all the legality's and dont really care that much. People have different opinions on everything.

All I know is that I will probably never be able to afford a real Rolex but I can buy a fake one for around a hundred bucks that is the same thing, the same watch in every way except it is not made at the Rolex factory!
I saved 12,000 dollars by not buying the name.

At least the people that buy the fake brands are showing that they aspire to own the real things. That says something.


No, people who buy fake brands are simply con artists, or at least attempting to be. If you can't afford the Rolex there are perfectly good Seikos (or hundreds of other quality brands) out there that will tell time just as well. You bought the Rolex so people would think you can afford it, and that is pretty lame.
 
All I know is that I will probably never be able to afford a real Rolex but I can buy a fake one for around a hundred bucks that is the same thing, the same watch in every way except it is not made at the Rolex factory!
I saved 12,000 dollars by not buying the name.

Wait a few years, then bring your "same watch" to an authorized dealer for a tune-up.
 
Part of beauty of owning a several thousand dollar watch that you only paid $100 for is that you don't need tune ups. Cheaper & easier to toss in garbage and buy another...

Kind of like the character of one who knowingly purchases a knock off. Throw it in the garbage.
 
I have a Buck 110 and Schrade that look almost identical.
Which one am I supposed to throw away?
 
It seems that the younger folks of today were never taught properly by their parents (or they didn't listen) that "knock offs" are junk and you shouldn't buy them. It allows another company or person(s) to make money off of someone else when they did nothing at all to deserve it.

I just had to explain to another fool that bought a "clone Para 2" that it was not a Para 2 at all. You cannot evaluate a Spyderco Para 2 by buying a knock off. It's not a Para 2. Same goes for this one. It's a freakin' knock off bro.
 
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The Chinese can't make things with soul? Is that what you are saying? Really?

Every other miniature model company I know of they get better at making models over time.

Theirs are the only model companies I've ever seen who get constantly worse at making models, this for over fifteen years... I think giving them chances for fifteen years is enough...

As I said, except for useful clothing and bags and such, I can't think of a single Chinese made thing I own that I care about.

Even Taiwan made stuff is very different.

That doesn't mean that if they care about it they can't. But they don't seem to care often for exported stuff.

Gaston
 
Part of beauty of owning a several thousand dollar watch that you only paid $100 for is that you don't need tune ups. Cheaper & easier to toss in garbage and buy another...

Except.....you didn't buy a several thousand dollar watch...you bought a piece of crap for $100.
 
I'm looking at the join dates in some of these users comments and I can't help but wonder if at least 2 of them are the same guy egging himself on... But then again maybe I'm the cynical one, and not the guy saying CRK is secretly selling his own scratch and dent knives as counterfeits.
 
Counterfeiting of CRK knives most certainly harms the Reeves. I have met them at the Shot Show and own 3 originals. They are very nice people. You just participated in stealing their good name and damaging the CRK reputation of excellence by bringing in a piece of junk.
 
Counterfeiting of CRK knives most certainly harms the Reeves. I have met them at the Shot Show and own 3 originals. They are very nice people. You just participated in stealing their good name and damaging the CRK reputation of excellence by bringing in a piece of junk.

Not supporting counterfeiters, but by that logic, people think real Rolex watches are junk because the Canal street replicas are junk, Ferrari is junk because of kit cars, Phizer makes bad pharmas because of the Mexican fake stuff.
Not so.
No, the people who get hurt by counterfeit high-end goods are the ones who get duped into thinking they are real and paying high prices for them.
If people practiced due diligence however, the scams wouldn't happen.
But, there's an ass for every seat. Just ask the white-van speaker entrepeneurs...
 
robgmn,
By your reasoning, it would be fine to assume the name and trade mark of one of the knife makers here on BF. Put out cheap poorly made knives . See how long you would remain a member.
You would have committed harm to the original maker by presenting his work as poor and sub optimal and by depriving him of his income and harmed the buyer through duplicity.

By your reasoning someone would be ok to assume your name and user name on BF and make egregious comments about yourself. No one would be hurt but you. It would be up to those who know you to defend your good name. But the doubt and damage has already been committed.

According to your though process it's ok to deceive someone to make money and it's ok to dupe someone or attempt to do so.
What happens when the fake knife is misplaced or lost or even seen without being declared a fake? Someone picks it up looks at the quality and decides never to bother looking into a CRK or the original brand knife at all.

I suggest that you start making knifes and selling them here to make a living and then evaluate your thought process. I bet it changes very quickly.
 
You missed the point. The Buck and Schrade are marked and represented correctly. The liability and the warranty are handled by the respective companies. No pretense was made to fool the buyer.
 
Whichever one is made in China, obviously.

Ah . . . both of mine are made in the U.S.A.


The trademark laws are intended to protect the owner of the mark - hence the provision for awards of damages against the infringer.

But the laws are also designed to protect the public from being misled by counterfeits - hence the felony criminal penalties for a violation of the rights of the public not to be deliberately misled.

Counterfeiters are criminal scum. Those who support them? Draw your own conclusions.
 
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If you're responding to me, (Robgmn), the I suggest you go back and re-read my post.
Nothing you attribute to my reasoning is supported by what I said.
I'll answer your questions below.

robgmn,
By your reasoning, it would be fine to assume the name and trade mark of one of the knife makers here on BF. Put out cheap poorly made knives . See how long you would remain a member.
You would have committed harm to the original maker by presenting his work as poor and sub optimal and by depriving him of his income and harmed the buyer through duplicity.

"the people who get hurt by counterfeit high-end goods are the ones who get duped into thinking they are real and paying high prices for them"



By your reasoning someone would be ok to assume your name and user name on BF and make egregious comments about yourself. No one would be hurt but you. It would be up to those who know you to defend your good name. But the doubt and damage has already been committed.

I have no idea how this correlates to what we're talking about. What company is putting out fakes and pretending to BE another company in order to devalue the original? Devaluing the real-deal will only result in fewer fakes being sold. Who would buy a fake of something that no one cares about? Ever see any fake WalMart sneakers out there? This is not a case of non-genuine destabilization, it's a case of infringement for monetary gain.

According to your though process it's ok to deceive someone to make money and it's ok to dupe someone or attempt to do so.
What happens when the fake knife is misplaced or lost or even seen without being declared a fake? Someone picks it up looks at the quality and decides never to bother looking into a CRK or the original brand knife at all.

"Not supporting counterfeiters" was the first line in my post. As for "picking up a knife and thinking it's crap"- think about the logic behind that. The rarity of finding a lost knife, combined with the odds that the person would even know the logo or what the knife is PRETENDING to be, is so slim as to be a non-consideration. If the person DID see the knife in a shop and it was $400, but their "find" was crap, don't you think they'd ask questions? If you found a Polex watch and thought "junk", then saw one in the store for $9,000.00 would you wonder how they can sell junk for $9K? If not, then due diligence ain't a skill set you have.

I suggest that you start making knifes and selling them here to make a living and then evaluate your thought process. I bet it changes very quickly.

If I started making $600 knives and selling them here, I doubt very highly that the Chinese counterfeiters would be interested. Now, if my sales here were big, my name was well-known, and I represented at trade shows worldwide, it wouldn't surprise me if they DID copy my stuff. I wouldn't delude myself into thinking I lost money because of it, however. Anyone who would buy a $35 copy of my $500 knife is not someone who would buy my $500 knife anyway. I have not lost a sale. If I had a $50 knife however, then I'd be worried about the $35 copy. Or, if someone could produce an exact copy of my $600 knife for $100 (like DVD duplication), I'd be worried.
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If you're responding to me, (Robgmn), the I suggest you go back and re-read my post.
Nothing you attribute to my reasoning is supported by what I said.
I'll answer your questions below.

To Robgmn
Marketing and selling a product (knife) by falsely using the reputation of the entity that originally did the development, marketing and risk of funds, is theft. It does not matter if the counterfeit is $10, $60 or $600. Theft is theft and a falsehood exist.
I certainly understand caveat emptor, however that premise does not excuse the counterfeiters one iota. It does not matter if the counterfeit product is as good , better or completely a piece of junk. The product should stand on its own merit not the merit of the hard work of another manufacturer.
If you fail to understand this then I am sorry for you.
This is my last participation in this matter.


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To Robgmn
Marketing and selling a product (knife) by falsely using the reputation of the entity that originally did the development, marketing and risk of funds, is theft. It does not matter if the counterfeit is $10, $60 or $600. Theft is theft and a falsehood exist.
I certainly understand caveat emptor, however that premise does not excuse the counterfeiters one iota. It does not matter if the counterfeit product is as good , better or completely a piece of junk. The product should stand on its own merit not the merit of the hard work of another manufacturer.
If you fail to understand this then I am sorry for you.
This is my last participation in this matter.


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Well my last message said it was my last statement on is matter but I have changed my mind.
Counterfeit products injure more than just the person who purchased them. See attached link.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partnair_Flight_394.
Here is an example of where a counterfeit product most definitely caused the death of 50 people. Not just the person who purchased them. Point made, If in doubt ask the families of these people who died.


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Well my last message said it was my last statement on is matter but I have changed my mind.
Counterfeit products injure more than just the person who purchased them. See attached link.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partnair_Flight_394.
Here is an example of where a counterfeit product most definitely caused the death of 50 people. Not just the person who purchased them. Point made, If in doubt ask the families of these people who died.


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I understand your point, but the example is lacking, as "unapproved parts" are not quite the same as "knockoff parts".
This was a case of someone taking a shortcut, making money for themselves, or other reasons for the unapproved parts entering the airframe, as the unapproved parts would not be coming from the vendor like they should.
Not much different than a company pretending to do airframe structure testing, but not doing it (and failing to see the cracked structure around the turbine housing).

As I said in my post, I don't support counterfeiting, but I also don't support the lies as to how it hurts those who make the real deal.
For example, the Swiss watch industry claims $1Billion in losses due to the 30-40 million fakes produced yearly.
It's hogwash, but it makes for a good press release.
There's no way they could know how much is "lost" unless the issue was eliminated 100% ina very short period of time.
It's like saying that your house alarm prevented a burglar from even trying to rip you off. Really? Was there a survey, or did a burglar stop by and admit it?

Again, find me the person who was going to spend $9K on a Rolex but decided the Canal Street copy at $100 was the way to go. I'll show you a person who was full of crap about their original plan.
Find me the person who thinks Rolex is junk because the Canal Street copy is junk. I'll show you a person who is a nimwit.
 
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