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You obviously didn't read far enough into the article. Here is the excerpt that confirms forged parts.
"As a result of the accident, safeguarding against forged aircraft parts increased. Peter Friedman, an expert on forged parts, stated in an episode of the television programme Mayday (Air Crash Investigation, Air Emergency) that the Partnair accident was the "seminal event" that caused people around the world to recognize the proliferation of forged aircraft parts in parts inventories. The spare aircraft parts industry had little regulation in many places in the world at the time of the Partnair accident. The United States Department of Transportation (USDOT), which oversees the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), examined the scope of the spare parts in the United States. "
Forged = counterfeit, so my point is confirmed.


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JLDunlap said:
You obviously didn't read far enough into the article. Here is the excerpt that confirms forged parts.
"As a result of the accident, safeguarding against forged aircraft parts increased. Peter Friedman, an expert on forged parts, stated in an episode of the television programme Mayday (Air Crash Investigation, Air Emergency) that the Partnair accident was the "seminal event" that caused people around the world to recognize the proliferation of forged aircraft parts in parts inventories. The spare aircraft parts industry had little regulation in many places in the world at the time of the Partnair accident. The United States Department of Transportation (USDOT), which oversees the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), examined the scope of the spare parts in the United States. "
Forged = counterfeit, so my point is confirmed.


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You continue to try to show the damage to the duped buyer alone but this is a real example of the danger that can occur. We both agree that the counterfeiting is wrong so why do you continue to trivialize to a single buyer the effects? By by trivializing the practice you only encourage the criminal practice.


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Hearing knife people talk about people buying counterfeit knives on here would make you think they are talking about someone evil. Nope, not mass murderers, nor child molesters, just a guy (or gal) lookin to buy a cheap knife.

I have plenty of authentic knives, but I also own a few fakes. In fact, buying those cheap Chinese knock-offs is what actually got me intoo knives to begin with. If I hadn't been gifted those counterfeit Spyderco knives years ago, I never would have wanted to purchase a real one. That I can guarantee. At the time, spending $100.00 or so on a knife seemed ridiculous. I liked that counterfeit Spyderco so much that I now owmn several authentic Spyderco knives. And, as many other knife people can attest, it just grows from there. I've spent thousands on knives in the past couple years, again, all thanks to that $15 "Spyderco Military" from China.

There is a market for fakes, just as there is a market for the real deal. I bet there are others like me, where those fake knives were like a gateway drug into a full-blown knife addiction.

I am still interested to see what the OP has to say about this particular Sebenza copy.
 
A wise man once said: "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."

He who knowingly buys a counterfeit product - an illegal, proscribed product - is doing far worse than "nothing." He is consciously supporting the crime that created the criminal product and put it in commerce. Without the support of the purchaser, the criminal who makes the counterfeit would have no motive to create it. So the knowing purchaser is morally complicit in the crime by his or her support of organized crime.
 
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What a crock of ****. You could have just as easily obtained a $15 knife that was not a counterfeit. It never fails to surprise me the length people will go to justify a wrong decision or criminal act. I should know better by now but I try to give people the benefit of doubt. But you and robgmn are in my opinion are without common sense and lacking in morality or are blog trolls just out to cause deliberate discord. Either way I will give you no more of my time.


Jay
 
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To rob32
What a crock of ****. You could have just as easily obtained a $15 knife that was not a counterfeit. It never fails to surprise me the length people will go to justify a wrong decision or criminal act. I should know better by now but I try to give people the benefit of doubt. But you and robgmn are in my opinion are without common sense and lacking in morality or are blog trolls just out to cause deliberate discord. Either way I will give you no more of my time.


Jay
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You know nothing of my morality, and I will thank you not to comment on something you know nothing about.
But if you're worried about morality, think about things like corporations lying to the public.
As I said, there's no way to calculate the dollars lost due to counterfeiters. It's all pure speculation, yet they make the statement as if they were counting inventory stolen from a warehouse.
That's lying.
That's immoral, yes?

Again, I'm not justifying counterfeiting, I'm stating what it does and doesn't do based on the type of market the real product exists in.
 
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Nope. He was here a year before I even discovered this place (ventured here after digging out my old camping stuff and finding my just-as-old Ka-Bar USMC knife).
That, of course led to a ton of reading, some snark in W&C, and a decent handful of new knife purchases.
Does it matter if I bought a SAK Champ while I was in Zermatt just so I could have a pure-blood Swiss Army Knife?
(Woulda' bought a Baume watch at Bucherer too, but they didn't stock the one I wanted. It saved me money buying it here).

Maybe rob32 can share some details about himself.
 
Notice how robbmg and rob32 want to ignore facts. The SAK champ may be less expense from one country to another but it is not a counterfeit. That dog won't hunt.
Then notice how rob32 attempts to justify an act of criminal theft by comparing it to a larger injustice.
And yes I can speak to morality. Morality is base on social norms within a group. Since you are a member of the social group here on BF, I judge you on your own words and actions. The social norm on BF is to not misrepresent yourself and products Or someone else's.
 
robgmn said:
Maybe rob32 can share some details about himself.
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Nah, no reason to bother. The people that are responding to this thread now have already made their opinion clear. I see no need to communicate with them. I mean, I have bought and owned a few counterfeit knives, so I am the lowest form of life on the planet, according to some.

Still curious to see if the OP will be returning with that analysis of the Sebenza clone. For some reason, I think we will be waiting a long time.
 
JLDunlap said:
Notice how robbmg and rob32 want to ignore facts. The SAK champ may be less expense from one country to another but it is not a counterfeit. That dog won't hunt.
Then notice how rob32 attempts to justify an act of criminal theft by comparing it to a larger injustice.
And yes I can speak to morality. Morality is base on social norms within a group. Since you are a member of the social group here on BF, I judge you on your own words and actions. The social norm on BF is to not misrepresent yourself and products Or someone else's.
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Can you translate that into something resembling English?
I really have no idea what point you're trying to make.
 
Thomas Linton said:
A wise man once said: "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."

He who knowingly buys a counterfeit product - an illegal, proscribed product - is doing far worse than "nothing." He is consciously supporting the crime that created the criminal product and put it in commerce. Without the support of the purchaser, the criminal who makes the counterfeit would have no motive to create it. So the knowing purchaser is morally complicit in the crime by his or her support of organized crime.
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Gawd...amazing how many totally guiltless people there are here. Apparently, they're.... Totally honest... Never fudged on their taxes....without fault. Jesus, I wish I was so perfect I could so easily, without regret lay into someone I've never met, for buying a $10 clone. Must be great to be so flawless in my own behavior, that I can express such criticism, knowing in my heart, that I am so much more moral than he. .
 
ichor said:
Gawd...amazing how many totally guiltless people there are here. Apparently, they're.... Totally honest... Never fudged on their taxes....without fault. Jesus, I wish I was so perfect I could so easily, without regret lay into someone I've never met, for buying a $10 clone. Must be great to be so flawless in my own behavior, that I can express such criticism, knowing in my heart, that I am so much more moral than he. .
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The is a forum for knife enthusiasts.
Not an "I love the IRS and pay full taxes, maybe more!" forum.

Naturally people are going to be annoyed by dishonest things relating to knives on a forum devoted to knives.

Think they'd applaud counterfeit watches on a watch enthusiast forum?
I doubt it.
 
rob32 said:
Hearing knife people talk about people buying counterfeit knives on here would make you think they are talking about someone evil. Nope, not mass murderers, nor child molesters, just a guy (or gal) lookin to buy a cheap knife.

I have plenty of authentic knives, but I also own a few fakes. In fact, buying those cheap Chinese knock-offs is what actually got me intoo knives to begin with. If I hadn't been gifted those counterfeit Spyderco knives years ago, I never would have wanted to purchase a real one. That I can guarantee. At the time, spending $100.00 or so on a knife seemed ridiculous. I liked that counterfeit Spyderco so much that I now owmn several authentic Spyderco knives. And, as many other knife people can attest, it just grows from there. I've spent thousands on knives in the past couple years, again, all thanks to that $15 "Spyderco Military" from China.

There is a market for fakes, just as there is a market for the real deal. I bet there are others like me, where those fake knives were like a gateway drug into a full-blown knife addiction.

I am still interested to see what the OP has to say about this particular Sebenza copy.
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If you worked really hard to save some money for an investment in gold coins, and then you later discovered that they were nothing more than just Chinese fakes, I bet that would make you think harder about what kind of damage counterfeit items can cause to a person.
 
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