2006 Manufacturing to China continues

Normark said:
What I don't understand is that they aren't even our friends, but Commies!!

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This is true, they are commies,not our friends, and most of the money they spend to buy weapons.
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Trade goods aren't the real issue neither are exporting jobs-- although both of those *suck* -- the real issue is the massive amount of US debt the Chinese as well as other nations buy each year -- take a look at the massive deficit and remember that most of those treasury issues are bought overseas... Basically we are borrowing money from the Chinese to rebuild places like Iraq...

But I guess I am way off topic from knives....
 
my new al mar nomad says Moki Japan on the side of the blade and it is very
high quality F&F....Moki and Seki are supposed to be pretty high quality right??
 
Al Mar produces very fine quality knives from Japan and AG Russell also has several knives made there. Japan has some tremendous quality blades, as Spyderco has several blades manufactured there as well. Taiwan also produces some great quality blades. China is just moving into this market in a big way, like all the other markets they move into. The real question here is how good can a $10 Chinese made knife be? They may be producing some quality lines for Buck and others, but they will have to prove their quality to me before I buy. Obviously their cost of producing a product is very attractive to manufacturers of all stripes. I like everyone else has a whole house full of Chinese made stuff, and it is all not junk. But one has to be very discriminating in their purchases. There are quality products out there, but you have to look for them -- and this forum is a great source of information.
 
7k7k99 said:
The real question here is how good can a $10 Chinese made knife be? They may be producing some quality lines for Buck and others, but they will have to prove their quality to me before I buy. Obviously their cost of producing a product is very attractive to manufacturers of all stripes.
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They made knives with pretty good quality, and reson why it is so cheap is simple because yan exchange is not real. For example real rate let say 1 to 1 (for simplicity of example) so what is made in US cost $10 also cost 10 yans in China and what made in China for 10 yans cost $10 in US. It is how it works for Japan, Europe etc...

Now if you do not have free currency exchange and Central Commity of Communist Party declare exchange rate 10 yans for $1 then same $10 thing will cost in China 100 yans as well as same 10 yans things will cost $1 in US. And it is about any goods, not just knives with same labor cost.

So nobody in China will buy overpriced US staff as well as in US everybody will buy thing from China.

As you see this is not matter of cheaper production or someting of this nature, this is simple currency manipulation as it was officially stated by US Federal Reserve System now.

Thanks, Vassili.
 
the real issue is the massive amount of US debt the Chinese as well as other nations buy each year
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Yes, the massive trade deficit is the culprit. We spend billions on imported oil and imported goods, and the countries that sell us these things have to find something to buy with those dollars. So they buy US securities and US businesses. That is why you have the government of the UAE and Communist China buying ports in the US.

There is speculation now that countries like China are becoming tired of investing in the US. If they stop investing in the US it is predicted that the value of the dollar will drop as much as 30 percent.
 
As far as I am concerned we should hope the Chinese are our friends. I maintain that at some point China will be the only true superpower.
We fought with them against the Japanese in WWII.
We have been courting the friendship of the Chinese since Nixon visited there during his administration.
There are those in the world who would do us harm and teach their children that it is right to do us harm. These radical sons of b*****s can be found across the middle east. These are not our friends.
The Chinese unlike these bastards aren't stuck in some twisted religious past.
Women have more status - education is important. Increasingly China is more capitalist and more open - this should lead to a more democratic society.
China didn't assault us on 9/11. In fact China nor any asians have ever launched a terrorist attack on any American civilian or military personel since WWII that I am aware of.
Instead of worrying so much about the cost of Chinese labor - which admittedly has done some damage to our economy - although I blame our business leaders more than I do the Chinese; worry about these extremist rag heads. Or better yet complain about the living conditions for countless millions across Africa.
 
Hey averageguy...

Don't kid yourself,, China is already a military superpower..Their manpower is staggering...
Any nation going to war with China will have their Ass handed to them on a platter......

BTW.. The UAE ports deal fell through today...:) Thank God!

ttyle

Eric..
 
If you want to save some money, refuse to buy anything made in China for a month or two.

Want to really save? Buy things only made or grown in the U.S.

Go 100% U.S. and things get about impossible.
 
Folks I'm here to tell you we are doomed. If you think because the label says made in the USA, you'd think it was made in the USA. Apparently not always.

My nephew worked with a company that "made" desserts. What they did was import desserts from mexico and other countries, took off the lables and repackaged them with made in the USA labels.

Another example....my girlfriends auntie worked for a clothing manufacture that printed up t-shirts for bands, sports teams and a certain motorcycle company. They would get the truckloads of t-shirts from overseas and sew-on the made in the USA tags on them.

Back to the knife topic.....a famous knife maker has already disscused his outrage about some knife manufactures outsourcing to China. As he explained, they pay for the knives by the pound from China. Not per knife.
 
I could be wrong but I think the last of the larger companies in the industry to do 100% U.S. production are Case and Leatherman and I think even they use imported parts. Yes, Blackhawk/MOD, Chris Reeve, Microtech, Marbles, Bradley, TOPS, Canal Street, Emerson, Lamson, Byron, Foster, Silver Stag, Randall King, Entrek, Bark River and a bunch of others are 100% U.S. production but they are small producers. Virtually all of the larger companies have moved some production abroad. For the individual above, Kabar has imports. Sorry.
 
Theres so much anti-chinese and political bullcrap here that its just disgusting. You should be ashamed of yourselves.

If China's not the US's friend, what are they? The enemy?
Who are it's friends then exactly?
 
The only thing good to ever come out of China is Chineeze Checkerz. :rolleyes:
Those were invented for semi-literate Americans with single digit IQ's, who didn't have what it takes to play chess. :mad:

The checkers players are the ones that sold our country....and currently occupy it's capital...

Back to knives :cool:
If you ever uses a China made hand tool you understand how much pride they have in their work..NONE.
I don't care if Chuck Buck hisself is sitting there eating his Caviar with chop sticks.. You aint going to get what you would hope for.
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Those commie dirtbags will cut any corner they can ...be it in the foundry, the pins, the thread for the sheath.. the snap...ANYTHING.

Support your Good Ole Boy knifemakers.:)
If you must buy Asian buy Japanese..= major ally... At least we all KNOW about their pride and quality of design and manufacture these years.

A Chinaman sells you crap and laughs about it.
A Japanese gentleman sells you crap and kills himself from his shame.
 
I think it's irrelevant where something is made. HOW something is made is what matters. Otherwise, we just feed our prejudices and create new ones. On any college campus in the US, Chinese students are the hardest working ones and as a result getting the highest scores while our own domestically grown talent scratches their drunk asses.

Making knives is not rocket science, and the only reason crappy ones are on the market is because the person selling them wants to make maximum profit in the shortest time without visions for tomorrow.

PS. I have bought some rat-tail tang crappy knives from Buck that were made right in the US that could not even begin to compare with my TDI that was made in Taiwan.

My 2 cents.
 
"...person selling them wants to make maximum profit in the shortest time without visions for tomorrow."

That's the major problem. Short-term gain seems to be the end-all to alot of people in management of industry. Few seem to consider the long term.

Long-term, China products will improve and their cost will increase.

Long-term, the U.S. will become much like Europe, a has-been.

However, there is no reason we gotta help the process along.
 
inspira said:
If China's not the US's friend, what are they? The enemy?
Who are it's friends then exactly?
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China is a competitor. Who are friends of the U.S.? I have no clue. Probably Israel. I'm not sure I could name another.
 
Knife Outlet said:
I could be wrong but I think the last of the larger companies in the industry to do 100% U.S. production are Case and Leatherman and I think even they use imported parts. Yes, Blackhawk/MOD, Chris Reeve, Microtech, Marbles, Bradley, TOPS, Canal Street, Emerson, Lamson, Byron, Foster, Silver Stag, Randall King, Entrek, Bark River and a bunch of others are 100% U.S. production but they are small producers. Virtually all of the larger companies have moved some production abroad. For the individual above, Kabar has imports. Sorry.
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Leatherman got busted for violating California law when it labeled it's products "made in the USA". The file, corscrew, pliers and one or two other parts are actually made outside the USA.
 
Kind of blind calling Europe a has-been as far as industrial products. They are much smarter than the US in terms of production and labor wages are much higher overall. The countries of Europe mostly produce mid-high to high end consumer products, high-end food products and expensive autos. They are smart because they specialize their production and have a high value common currency and they at least seem to try to protect their markets. Their companies are worldwide but seem to center many operations in Europe while US companies sell out and the US labor force is increasingly low paid illegal immigrant workers. I do believe that if the US was actually led well and had stricter standards regarding importation of goods and actual border controls that US companies could compete and that workers would be paid better. Far fewer illegals would be employed also. But with our ignorant leadership and the continual errosion of our legal rights this is unlikely to happen anytime soon.
 
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