2006 Manufacturing to China continues

"has been" as far as a World Power goes. It takes all of the EU together to become a power. Singly, each of the one time World Powers in Europe are no longer and haven't been for a bit (though there has been some isolated cases).

Actually, there is an immigration (and immigrant worker) problem in Europe. We here in the U.S. just never here about it much. You have to go out of your way and read some of the more Eurocentric magazines (Economist and such) to see it.

Catering production to luxury and/or high end items (not a reality, just a U.S. perception) is not a sustainable economic policy. It reduces the market to which the goods can sell. The "masses" buy low end to mid-range products as they fill the need sufficiently in every part of the world.

Protectionist policies can be effective to a point, but I don't want to explain why food, clothing, and other consumables are going to go up in price (effectively reducing buying power) to everybody. Not that reducing consumption would be bad, mind.
 
The president of Case Cutlery tells me that they are commited to making all of their knives in the United States. A. G.
 
I think that if in fact, the Chinese produce "crap", its because the average schmoe has no idea anymore as to what is quality. He/she wants price. Witness the explosive growth in "fast food", not only in McDonalds and the other knock offs but also in the supermarkets. Hell, we may be just a generation or two removed from people actually knowing how to cook.

Now to knives. I think that most of us KnifeKnutKnerds forget that we represent a micron at best of the consuming public. Most people don't think twice about a knife other than it cuts something. If you can pick up a flashy piece of crap for $ 5, all the better. It will cut and will most probably be misplaced and/or lost before it ever dulls.

Speaking of dulling, check the kitchen knives at all of your friends' homes. Most people have no clue as to what a sharp knife is. Hence, they think the "dull" is the norm. This plays right into the hands of the manufacturers and retailers selling cheap flash over quality.
 
I'm a Mexican in Mexico, I buy USA made stuff because I want quality, and I have to pay about twice as much for it here than you do in the USA, it's more if you consider that I live off Mexican level income.

I don't believe that Mexican economy will grow if I only buy Mexican products, I buy Mexican products when they are competitive in price and quality, we are never going to grow if we just refuse to buy foreign, we have to be competitive.

I believe that the USA is very capable of competing with China and anyone else even considering low wages, etc., my advise to Americans is simple: just don't buy crap.

Luis
 
inspira said:
Theres so much anti-chinese and political bullcrap here that its just disgusting. You should be ashamed of yourselves.

If China's not the US's friend, what are they? The enemy?
Who are it's friends then exactly?
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If anybody around this world thinks China is anyones friend then I got news for you. Most if not all of China's industry is owned by the Military and the Government. Most famous is Norinco. Norinco on top of making rifles, pistols and ammo also make clothing and household goods among other things. Some of Chinas industry uses prison labor to make all the made in china stuff your buying at Walmart. Many of those made in China toys you bought your children for Christmas were made by political prisoners. Some of who were arrested for trying to spread the word of what happened at Tiananmen Square which the story is completey censored in China. You can't even find anything on Tiananmen Square when you do a search on a computer in China and if caught doing a search on Tiananmen Square massacre, you'll be making toys for the next Christmas season. A few months ago we had a Chinese general say to the world press that they had nuclear missles aimed at US cities???? And nobody caught this!!!!

This is why I will not buy any made in China Knives and will never consider China a friend.


You guys do know what happened at Tiananmen Square do you???
 
Things aren't looking well in the neighborhood, kids.

tiananmen square, one of the most famous protests in the history of ever...totally supressed now.

I submit to your examination two webpages. The google used by the free world and the google used by the not free world (or China, however you like to say it).

Here I have searched for tiananmen square in the google images area. See if you can spot the difference?

The real world Google:
http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=tiananmen%20square&spell=1&sa=N&tab=wi

The Chinese google (www.google.cn)
http://images.google.cn/images?hl=zh-CN&q=tiananmen%20square&btnG=Google+%E6%90%9C%E7%B4%A2&sa=N&tab=wi

Thought police in a big way. This is real world stuff--this isn't political propaganda, this isn't through some American's small minded nationalist vision, this is their censorship straight up from the orient. This is for real.

Remember, this is the one where a human being stood in front of a tank to stop it. Where's he today, I wonder? Well, I'm guessing I won't learn from www.google.cn
 
It's sad that google had to censor itself for China. But I guess their argument is they had to or they would have been blocked out.
 
brewthunda said:
A lot of the seafood you see is farm raised in China (notice the big surge in tilapia lately? - mostly from China). A lot of durable produce items like whole garlic is imported from China, too. Sorry to burst your bubble.
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food is the most important product. unless genetic engineering takes major steps the next war will not be for gasoline but for food. i read a long time ago that 2 states in the usa can feed the rest of the world. gas is something we don't like paying 3 bucks for but we can. when food gets to the point that it costs half of a persons income to feed him. then we will have the 3rd world war. that war will be for food. look at India they will surpass china soon for the most people in one country. they are second now. then all the money that is going out of the usa for cheap products will reverse and be spent on food from the usa. from what i have read rice, soybeans and corn are cheaper in the usa than many other countries. even china. we mass produce food. have you ever drove through the Midwest? 100 miles of fields of corn and other crops with out a stopping place. they are even using corn to make gas additives. so is food products equal in price of gasoline? i am not a smart man but i like to think i can see the trends. the ebb and flow of commerce will always be with us. maybe people think the usa gov is stupid and pres bush is a dummy. but we don't have all the intel they do. if we had the same intel we might make the same choices he does. but i am not the chief i am only a indian so i follow the chief pres bush. there can be only one leader\chief and many indians.
 
To mass-produce food, you need gass, or other energy sources. In countrys where they use smaller farm size, youre less dependable from gass and fertilizers. Thats the biggest problem in USA style huge farms, if you dont count the envriomental problems they have
 
kj869 said:
To mass-produce food, you need gass, or other energy sources. In countrys where they use smaller farm size, youre less dependable from gass and fertilizers. Thats the biggest problem in USA style huge farms, if you dont count the envriomental problems they have
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Well if the farmer set aside some of his land for Soya, Peanuts or Rape seed he could run his JD till the cows came home for free.
 
Normark said:
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Our economy and way of life are going in implode because of it in a few short years...

What I don't understand is that they aren't even our friends, but Commies!!

I try my hardest not to buy products made there,, however it's getting increasingly more difficult to do....

....

Eric....
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Yep. I couldn't agree more.
 
The bottom line is economics trump politics and everything else. As stnadard of living in the US continues to fall, more and more people will seek cheaper goods.
 
7k7k99 said:
Now Ontario Knives has a line of knives from China -- the trend of American Knife manufacturers moving production overseas seems like a flood now.

Pretty soon, the only knives that will be American made will be expensive customs.

I am trying to buy American made Buck, Spyderco, Swamp Rat/Busse -- I also have Al Mar [Japan] and some Ontario [Taiwan manufactured Rat 1], but I am really concerned about these very inexpensive Chinese made blades from major manufacturers.

I guess all we can do is support those few talented American Bladesmiths that are left and also buy some 'quality' imports, when and where they exist.

Opinions?
:jerkit:
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What's the issue? Spyderco has been making them in Seki Japan for 30 year! Besides all the ones made now are made by robots, not people.
 
The only reason the Chinese are making cheap crap is because people are buying it.

When looking for knives I always check for:
1. Quality
2. Price
3. Availability

I don't see how buying American or [insert country here] based solely on country of origin / nationality of maker gets me the best knives.
 
I think the point is that the original poster will hate to see the knifemaking industry in America collapse due to foreign imports, especially from China. At that point there will overall be _less_ choice in terms of quality.
 
Here is the bottom line to all of this "MaDE IN CHINA" crap. Our government has truly been hijacked by global interests who have taken control of our industry, Federal Reserve Bank, and the Politicians themselves. With this great country of ours being de-industrialized it shoud be a serious wake up call for all of us who are genuinely concerned. We all should have ( my self included) been much more serious about patronizing MADE IN THE USA goods a long time ago. We can fix this if we as a country become aware of the crux of the problem and act fast. But we have to patronize USA businesses ( the ones that are still here) and another thing people can do is to totally quit doing business with rip-mart ( you all know who I'm talking about) because they are the main perpetrator in this crisis. And UNION people need to start practicing what they have been preaching all along>> and that is to buy from and support USA businesses and insist on USA made goods. It's really that simple. That's why I won't touch one of Spyderco's byrd knives with a 50 foot pole. JUST DON'T BUY CHINESE MERCHANDISE IF YOU HAVE AN OPTION. And yes the one brother is right on the money>> They are totalitarian communists>> no question about it. When you buy from them; you empower them :mad:
 
JD Spydo said:
Here is the bottom line to all of this "MaDE IN CHINA" crap. Our government has truly been hijacked by global interests who have taken control of our industry, Federal Reserve Bank, and the Politicians themselves. With this great country of ours being de-industrialized it shoud be a serious wake up call for all of us who are genuinely concerned. We all should have ( my self included) been much more serious about patronizing MADE IN THE USA goods a long time ago. We can fix this if we as a country become aware of the crux of the problem and act fast. But we have to patronize USA businesses ( the ones that are still here) and another thing people can do is to totally quit doing business with rip-mart ( you all know who I'm talking about) because they are the main perpetrator in this crisis. And UNION people need to start practicing what they have been preaching all along>> and that is to buy from and support USA businesses and insist on USA made goods. It's really that simple. That's why I won't touch one of Spyderco's byrd knives with a 50 foot pole. JUST DON'T BUY CHINESE MERCHANDISE IF YOU HAVE AN OPTION. And yes the one brother is right on the money>> They are totalitarian communists>> no question about it. When you buy from them; you empower them :mad:
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I am with you. Count on me.
R
 
I also agree with JD Spydo.

I don't mind things made in Japan so much as they are an ally. I like knives made in America, Japan, Switzerland. I don't like knives made in Taiwan, China, Pakistan, etc.

China is a communist country and they are not our ally.
 
Joe Dirt said:
I also agree with JD Spydo.

I don't mind things made in Japan so much as they are an ally. I like knives made in America, Japan, Switzerland. I don't like knives made in Taiwan, China, Pakistan, etc.

China is a communist country and they are not our ally.
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LOL, so you have to read the text on a knife's box to decide whether you like it or not? :D
 
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