2006 Manufacturing to China continues

JD Spydo said:
Here is the bottom line to all of this "MaDE IN CHINA" crap. Our government has truly been hijacked by global interests who have taken control of our industry, Federal Reserve Bank, and the Politicians themselves. With this great country of ours being de-industrialized it shoud be a serious wake up call for all of us who are genuinely concerned. We all should have ( my self included) been much more serious about patronizing MADE IN THE USA goods a long time ago. We can fix this if we as a country become aware of the crux of the problem and act fast. But we have to patronize USA businesses ( the ones that are still here) and another thing people can do is to totally quit doing business with rip-mart ( you all know who I'm talking about) because they are the main perpetrator in this crisis. And UNION people need to start practicing what they have been preaching all along>> and that is to buy from and support USA businesses and insist on USA made goods. It's really that simple. That's why I won't touch one of Spyderco's byrd knives with a 50 foot pole. JUST DON'T BUY CHINESE MERCHANDISE IF YOU HAVE AN OPTION. And yes the one brother is right on the money>> They are totalitarian communists>> no question about it. When you buy from them; you empower them :mad:
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Boycott the Chinese!!! :thumbup:
 
This really isn't that new of a trend, and I noticed that the foreign made knives that are made under contract tend to be of decent quality, when compared to the Dollar Store Specials.

I own a Buck Hitchhiker. That was made bach when they were base out of El Cajon, CA but was Japanese made.

On a regular basis, I carry a Buck 373, and a Chinese made Gerber/Winchester. Both are wonderful quality and meet my needs. I don't like spending oodles of money on knives if I don't have to, especially if I intend on wearing it and using it hard.

I also own a Taylor, S&W sheep Horn Stockman. Made in China and excellent quality.

I love buying American knives, but I don't have any problem with buying a Chinese made knife. Helps keep it affordable.
 
hicomp2 said:
I may be wrong, but isn't Ka-Bar is a solid US knife maker?
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No, sorry. All the Kabar folders and the low end hunting style fixed blades are imports. There are certainly others but Lone Wolf, Case, Chris Reeve, Leatherman, Microtech, TOPS, Strider are still making everything in the U.S. I'm sure others will chime in with all U.S. manufacturers. The list just 5 years ago was pretty long. It is now very short.
 
I think if we are going to accuse anyone of "hijacking" the US it should be the Swiss.

They did the cheese thing, those little army knives, numbered bank accounts, very expensive gold Rolex watches, Swiss Miss Milk Chocolate and cocoa. Just look how they have ruined this country. Just try and find a product today that was not somehow made without Swiss bank financing.

Heck, those Swiss even have their two of their own national dogs, the Bernese Mountain Dog and the St. Bernard. It is just not fair.

I hate those Swiss with their funny hats and their funny yodeling talk.

http://www.akc.org/breeds/bernese_mountain_dog/index.cfm

Now don't get me started with the French. Or those Germans. Or those Italians or Spanish people. And I'm not real keen on Canadians either with their goose.
 
Thanks for the feedback and support guys/gals. Unless I'm totally unaware>> isn't Benchmade still pretty much a USA knife company? Now I think I have heard that they are taking on a line of cheapies from Red China just like Spyderco has done but for the most part I think Benchmade is at least 90% USA. IF I'm wrong on that please correct me. I am as of today going to try to gravitate towards USA knives. My last 2 Spydercos I've bought have both been Golden Colorado knives of theirs.

Also I have one more thing to add to my thread. Instead of buying your knives at rip-mart>> try your best to buy them from good mom & pop dealers. New Graham immediately comes to mind and I have also had great luck with Grand Prarie who I think is also a member of this Forum like New Graham is. If there are other good established USA based, mom & pop knife dealers like them maybe we could get a list going. You guy's/gals we honestly could start something like that if we'd put our minds to it and discourage this "get something for nothing" nonsense that the Red Chinese are trying to sell us :)
 
Nordic Viking said:
LOL, so you have to read the text on a knife's box to decide whether you like it or not? :D
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Of course. I don't buy knives made in China. I bought a CRKT M16 and found out it was made in Taiwan and I sold it.

Why would you not read the label?

The only knives I currently own were either made in the USA or Switzerland. While I think it may be OK to buy Japan made knives I do not own any. Right now USA made knives are making me happy (Benchmade Blue and Black class & USA made Kershaws).
 
Quality tends to dip a little if a country outsources their products, but that is not always the case. I love my al mar sere. I have a few nice boker knives. I'd still have to say my favorite american manufacturer is mtm. Got to tour the factory last year, the owner said they might have to move to china or else plano will put them outta business.
 
Joe Dirt said:
Of course. I don't buy knives made in China. I bought a CRKT M16 and found out it was made in Taiwan and I sold it.

Why would you not read the label?

The only knives I currently own were either made in the USA or Switzerland. While I think it may be OK to buy Japan made knives I do not own any. Right now USA made knives are making me happy (Benchmade Blue and Black class & USA made Kershaws).
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I own mostly Swedish knives, except for Chris Reeve and Case but if a Chinese maker were to make something of quality, I would buy it because I like quality knives.
 
kj869 said:
To mass-produce food, you need gass, or other energy sources. In countrys where they use smaller farm size, youre less dependable from gass and fertilizers. Thats the biggest problem in USA style huge farms, if you dont count the envriomental problems they have
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Small farms are not efficient. They can not compete per acre as we do in the USA. In the late 80's Taiwan had farmer uprisings because the cheap imported food from the USA. In the late 80's it was also Japan doing the same. They can not produce food grain as cheap as we can do it. Yes the big JD's are monsters but they work fast and efficient. a single farmer with a single water buffalo is not efficient but they use little or no gasoline.

Also part of the fuel needed for the big JD's can be grown on the same farm it is supporting. Don’t you see the green ad's on national geo tv channel with the bio diesel for the VW?

if they want to burn gasoline and not diesel it can be replaced with alcohol from the grain they produce. And if the us gov lets the farmers start growing hemp for oil and fiber only (notice i said only) they can use it also.

I dare say we as American’s can do what needs to be done if motivated. But we are slack with an easy life that we don’t want to let go of.

You can see by part of the use of this forum is that we can survive. But it takes a strong reason to get down and dirty and do what you have to do in a live or die situation. Look at the EDC’s knives and the reasons the people say they carry it. Most people have flashlights too. both are tools needed to survive. Survival tools. If you have a knife you can hunt fish and make a shelter. Water food and shelter are needed. If you have a knife and you can make it easier.
 
For me it is about where is it made and where my money will go.
I remember really well this story about 6-7 years ago, when Chinese jet fighters damaged our military plane in neutral space near China and force it to land on their military base. Our crewmembers were hold for about a week. Representative from embassy was not allowed to see them for a few days. All military equipment from the plane was taken away for study. It does not look friendly for me. This is just one example.
Chinese government almost always in opposition to us and a lot of money spends to buy or produce the weapon.
 
rocktheflock said:
Its not about where its made, Its all about qaulity
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So if there was a knife made in China or North Korea that was high quality, but it was made by 10 year old kids in a sweat shop you would buy it?

It's not just all about quality.
 
China is about as communist as the US is a democracy. In other words, it really isn't.

Even if China was a true communist country, what's so bad about that? Never understood the "Better dead than red" mentality.

Did you know that Hong Kong has the HIGHEST degree of economic freedom in the WORLD.

Personally, I know of many quality goods made in China. It isn't about the country, it's about the company. China has less quality controls than the US. However, there are some Six Sigma companies in China that I would trust more than non Six Sigma companies in the US. Then again, I'm all about QC and am working on my LO green belt.

The whole bashing China thing is really old. I'll buy USA made goods when they are better and competitively priced. I don't care who gets my money. It went to somebody who has to eat, and probably has a family who needs to eat as well. I could care less what flag someone flies or where they call home. A human is a human.
 
Krztoff said:
Even if China was a true communist country, what's so bad about that? Never understood the "Better dead than red" mentality.
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You can talk to people who lived there
 
I have. I have talked to a former red guard who lived in China for many years. He said that it used to be miserabe because of poor leadership and a crap economy. I have also taken an international business class with an exchange professor from China who isn't nearly as old as the former red guard. He said that living in China is actually more enjoyable for him than his time spent here. He said that was mostly because he's from a much larger and more interesting city than he lived in while here, but still. He enjoys living in China more than the US. China is not the scary monster than Americans like to paint it to be.

I also have many friends who came here as international students from China and Taiwan. They actually tend to think of the US as a bit backwards. As much as people like to accuse China of treating people disrespectfully, Americans tend to be even worse. China's government has done some ethically questionable things, but their people are much more respectful. My friends from China were appaled that people here are still intollerant of ethnic minorities, gays, muslims, immigrants, and atheists. The difference is that our government says they deserve equal treatment, but then the general population mistreats them.

China is far more tolerant and "nice" than the US.

Please note that I do like the US, and don't consider myself anti-American by any stretch, but I simply don't see us as being any better, either.
 
If any of you believe that the outsourcing of manufacturing jobs to China or any country is not a serious issue, then you need an urgent wake-up call. If this trend continues, I foresee a major economic crisis for the US...probably within the next 20-30 years. Please explain to me how a country can maintain superpower status while its manufacturing base is transferred overseas. As a result, the ratio of imported vs exported goods is overwhelmingly one-sided.



Curiosity yields evolution...satiety yields extinction.
 
Um... Norway isn't a superpower, but they have one hell of a standard of living. I don't see how "not a superpower" = "economic crisis".

Also, we have a trade surplus when it comes to services. We are becoming a more service based economy as time goes on. Looking at manufacturing by itself is missing half the picture.

As for manufacturing, are you forgetting about the fact that other companies are building plants here? Honda comes to mind, as does Toyota.
 
Um... Norway isn't a superpower, but they have one hell of a standard of living. I don't see how "not a superpower" = "economic crisis".
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Since when does a high standard of living equate to superpower status. If I recall correctly, the citizens of the former Soviet Union had a standard of living well below the US, yet they were still classified as a superpower...for over three decades.

Also, we have a trade surplus when it comes to services. We are becoming a more service based economy as time goes on. Looking at manufacturing by itself is missing half the picture.
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Absolutely true! However, outsourcing is not just reserved for manufacturing. As information technology improves, corporations are discovering new ways to employ cheap labor in service applications. As it is, this is still in it`s infancy (just wait 20-30 years).

As for manufacturing, are you forgetting about the fact that other companies are building plants here? Honda comes to mind, as does Toyota.
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Actually, I have not forgotten. The current cost of Japanese labor is quite high and companies like Honda and Toyota probably feel it is cost feasible to outsource some of their manufacturing jobs to the US. However, Japan, in recent years, has outsourced much of their manufacturing base to China and Korea.


Curiosity yields evolution...satiety yields extinction.
 
I wasn't making a correlation between being a superpower and a standard of living. In fact, I was saying the opposite. I was saying that you can have a high standard of living without being a superpower. I don't see value in being a superpower. I see value in high standards of living. You can have that without being a superpower, so for all I care, we can become the new "little guy", as long as our people are living well. As I see it, if you lack the ability to go pushing people around, that prevents you from pushing people around.
 
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