2006 Manufacturing to China continues

Krztoff said:
...However, there are some Six Sigma companies in China that I would trust more than non Six Sigma companies in the US. Then again, I'm all about QC and am working on my LO green belt.....
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LOL.

Six Sigma is a joke dude. It's just another dumb corporate policy.

Corporate stuff is so funny when compared to the real world.

Have fun with your "green belt". LOL :D
 
I will. It's a nice way to instantly raise your income by several thousand dollars.

Yeah, I guess it *IS* a joke, that's how medical supply companies have improved thier defect rate so drastically. It gets results, and therefore must be a joke. LOL.

Have fun making less money than me.

By the way, thanks for cutting me down. Ass.
 
I don't see value in being a superpower. I see value in high standards of living. You can have that without being a superpower, so for all I care, we can become the new "little guy", as long as our people are living well. As I see it, if you lack the ability to go pushing people around, that prevents you from pushing people around.
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Having a high standard of living is always a plus. However, for the west, it has usually been as a result of military might. After all, if it was not for the strength of Allied industrialization during the Big Deuce, the german language would have become as common in the US as Espanol currently is in Kalifornia.

China has over a billion people, a (for the most part) communist govt, a standing army that easily rivals the US, and nuclear weapons. Every time you make a purchase @ Sam Walton`s retail masterpiece (just one corporate example, of course), you are putting money (aka power) into the hands of an oligarchy that is the antithesis of everything the west stands for...nuff said!
 
If this is about pride then fine, if its about quality and QC then you guys are deluding yourselves if you think that made in the US is so much better than other places.
 
I don't see how China is the antithesis of everything the west stands for. I'm not trying to be argumentative here, I just think that you're making some sweeping assumptions that have no basis in reality. I'm sure that our similarities in values outweigh our differences. Have you seen the list of virtues put out by China's top ranking officials? They're guidelines for how individuals should live their lives. Can you really honestly say you disagree with anything on the list? Go ahead and replace "motherland" with "homeland".

Love, do not harm the motherland.

Serve, don't disserve the people.

Uphold science; don't be ignorant and unenlightened.

Work hard; don't be lazy and hate work.

Be united and help each other; don't gain benefits at the expense of others.

Be honest and trustworthy, not profit-mongering at the expense of your values.

Be disciplined and law-abiding instead of chaotic and lawless.

Know plain living and hard struggle, do not wallow in luxuries and pleasures.

[good natured sarcasm]These people are monsters and must be stopped![/good natured sarcasm]
 
If you want people to stop buying stuff made in China or elsewhere, the solution is very very simple. Make better stuff in the US and make it cheaper.

All this bitching about China is just sour grapes. People in China work hard because they want a better standard of living for themselves and their kids. They will work in manufacturing and engineering, something most of the brightests Americans won't do because theres more money and status as a doctor, lawyer or executive. If engineering and manufacturing paid as well as medicine or law, the US will have a very efficient manufacturing sector making high quality goods at low prices.

So stop bitching and change your own ways instead of saying its unfair the other team is winning because it works harder and smarter.
 
Someone mentioned that China was more tolerant of differences than the U.S.

Now, having never been to China, I might be mistaken, but as I recall, religious freedom is not real popular in China...I have several real life friends that went underground to spread Christianity...and what about that Falun Dafa thing?

But I digress; the evidence of a problematic government are very real, and thus, I invite you to take a look at two of my favorite links:

American Google search for tiananmen square
http://images.google.com/images?svnum=10&hl=en&lr=&newwindow=1&safe=off&client=safari&rls=en&q=tiananmen+square&btnG=Search

Chinese Google search for tiananmen square
http://images.google.cn/images?hl=zh-CN&q=tiananmen%20square&btnG=Google+??&sa=N&tab=wi

Can you spot the difference? Hope I'm not reposting this, as I rather enjoy it so I bring it up a lot...
 
Have you seen the list of virtues put out by China's top ranking officials? They're guidelines for how individuals should live their lives. Can you really honestly say you disagree with anything on the list? Go ahead and replace "motherland" with "homeland".
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This list of virtues certainly has its merits, and I don`t think anyone would disagree with their validity. However, suggesting that people live by a certain code and forcing them to live by a certain code is in contrast to innate freedom. I am not saying that this is the case, but considering the Chinese govt`s track record, it is certainly possible.

There is no denying, whatsoever, that the people of china are resourceful, hard-working, and responsible individuals that deserve a chance for a better life. In many ways, the sloth-oriented American worker is partially responsible for this surge of chinese influence on our domestic market. However, the underlying issue is that much of corporate America is "in bed" with a very powerful nation that refuses to acknowledge the personal freedoms that most Americans are oblivious to.



Curiosity yields evolution...satiety yields extinction.
 
Krztoff said:
I will. It's a nice way to instantly raise your income by several thousand dollars.

Yeah, I guess it *IS* a joke, that's how medical supply companies have improved thier defect rate so drastically. It gets results, and therefore must be a joke. LOL.

Have fun making less money than me.

By the way, thanks for cutting me down. Ass.
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I see in Six Sigma they teach you to swear at people. Must be a great thing.

Oh, yeah, I forgot that success is signified by how much money you make and not your family and friends. Thanks for letting me know about that.

Have a nice day :D

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Pertaining to the subject matter:

Yeah, China is really tollerant. That's why they censor everything from Instant Messages and Websites. People don't have religious freedom nor do they have political freedom.

Yeah, they are a really tollerant great country :jerkit:
 
Krztoff said:
I will. It's a nice way to instantly raise your income by several thousand dollars.

Yeah, I guess it *IS* a joke, that's how medical supply companies have improved thier defect rate so drastically. It gets results, and therefore must be a joke. LOL.

Have fun making less money than me.

By the way, thanks for cutting me down. Ass.
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Prime example, money talks. Thats it. The human race will fail in the long run.

Oh and BTW,"Know plain living and hard struggle, do not wallow in luxuries and pleasures."
 
Joe Dirt said:
I see in Six Sigma they teach you to swear at people. Must be a great thing.

Oh, yeah, I forgot that success is signified by how much money you make and not your family and friends. Thanks for letting me know about that.

Have a nice day :D

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Pertaining to the subject matter:

Yeah, China is really tollerant. That's why they censor everything from Instant Messages and Websites. People don't have religious freedom nor do they have political freedom.

Yeah, they are a really tollerant great country :jerkit:
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No, it's just something I do when somebody who is clearly ignorant on the subject decides to mock what I'm going into. I don't know what you do for a living, but I imagine you'd get quite pissed if somebody said that what you do for a living is a joke and doesn't matter in the real world. By the way, you have to be an awefully sensitive little thing to consider being called an "ass" swearing.

Also, I said that the PEOPLE are more tolerant. You won't ever have some fundie nutjob try to beat the shit out of you just for wearing a shirt that says "proud atheist" in public, which is more than I can say for those of us living in the USA, where supposedly we are tolerant of religious differences. :jerkit:

As far as no religous freedom, there are plenty of xian churches in China, and nobody even tries to shut them down. They just don't allow the extreme literal interpretation stuff, which I think is simply a logical result of their "anti-cult" policy. :)
 
DeathByCactus said:
Prime example, money talks. Thats it. The human race will fail in the long run.

Oh and BTW,"Know plain living and hard struggle, do not wallow in luxuries and pleasures."
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Did I ever say that money was my sole or greatest motivator? I can think of at least 4 goals I have that are higher than becoming excessively wealthy off the top of my head. If I thought about it for a little while I could probably think of a few more, but it isn't needed to prove my point.
 
Krztoff said:
No, it's just something I do when somebody who is clearly ignorant on the subject decides to mock what I'm going into. I don't know what you do for a living, but I imagine you'd get quite pissed if somebody said that what you do for a living is a joke and doesn't matter in the real world. By the way, you have to be an awefully sensitive little thing to consider being called an "ass" swearing.

Also, I said that the PEOPLE are more tolerant. You won't ever have some fundie nutjob try to beat the shit out of you just for wearing a shirt that says "proud atheist" in public, which is more than I can say for those of us living in the USA, where supposedly we are tolerant of religious differences. :jerkit:

As far as no religous freedom, there are plenty of xian churches in China, and nobody even tries to shut them down. They just don't allow the extreme literal interpretation stuff, which I think is simply a logical result of their "anti-cult" policy. :)
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LOL. I wouldn't care if someone called what I do for a living a joke. I don't care what other people think about my job. They don't have to do it.

You prove yourself as fairly ignorant and childish by using the "jerk-it" emoticon and not being in whine and cheese. Uneducated people that cannot choose better words tend to swear.

Don't like living in the USA and prefer China's way of doing things? Move out.

The fact that your first 12 posts here are almost nothing but arguing also doesn't say a whole lot about you. Relax and talk about knives. That's what this place is here for.

:D You are officially 1 of 2 people that have made it to my ignore list. Sorry, but I will not see any of your future posts. :thumbup:
 
TheFacts said:
This list of virtues certainly has its merits, and I don`t think anyone would disagree with their validity. However, suggesting that people live by a certain code and forcing them to live by a certain code is in contrast to innate freedom. I am not saying that this is the case, but considering the Chinese govt`s track record, it is certainly possible.

There is no denying, whatsoever, that the people of china are resourceful, hard-working, and responsible individuals that deserve a chance for a better life. In many ways, the sloth-oriented American worker is partially responsible for this surge of chinese influence on our domestic market. However, the underlying issue is that much of corporate America is "in bed" with a very powerful nation that refuses to acknowledge the personal freedoms that most Americans are oblivious to.
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Sloth oriented american workers? I'd bet that there are a lot more two income families nowadays then when I grew up in the 60's, and not because they want both parents to work, but they have to pay rent & medical expenses and buy food. Outsourcing services and manufacturing is done so companies can make more money, not because american workers are lazy.
 
Sloth oriented american workers? I'd bet that there are a lot more two income families nowadays then when I grew up in the 60's, and not because they want both parents to work, but they have to pay rent & medical expenses and buy food. Outsourcing services and manufacturing is done so companies can make more money, not because american workers are lazy.
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No doubt...that certainly is all too common.



Curiosity yields evolution...satiety yields extinction.
 
My thoughts about made in China.
Although many U.S. companies now have their products made in China, "to our stringent specifications, blah, blah, blah.." The truth of the matter is that they are not proud of the fact, especially when it is an item that once was "Proudly made in the U.S.A" Since the made in China fact is not normally advertised, I make a point to contact the manufacturer ask where it's made. If they tell me China, then I tell them, "then I won't buy your product." If there is one, I tell them I am buying the product of their American Made competitor, and then buy from the. It may not make any difference in the end, but at least I make my voice heard.
-M
 
Buy from other countries, if need be.
Buy from an ally of the USA.
The Japanese make us.. and everyone else.. look like morons.. Swiss and Germany included.

China ?
I was once banned.
I like this hangout so I'll restrain myself. :mad:
 
hicomp2 said:
I may be wrong, but isn't Ka-Bar is a solid US knife maker?
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KaBar has foreign made knives in their "KaBar International" Line. Including their folders and the small fin knives etc. Their combat/tactical knives are marketed as "Ka-Bar" alone and are made in Olean NY.
 
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