2007 Blade Show Cutting Competition- Why no Busse?

[winmagfrog]

Yea i don't want it to start anything either, I truly would just like the best knife that i find there, by opinion wise it seems thats the way i should lean with so many happy customers, can i make the best knife? no, but can i get a %&*load of steel of about any kind? OH YEA!
I spend probably about three to 4 days short of three solid months in the mountains taking people on archery and guided rifle hunts, so yes i use a knife a lot, do i want the best, yes, since i do a lot of the testing i just wanted to see just how durable it really was, I have lots of machines and presses that i can hook anything to and see exactly how much force it can take or put out, no human interaction at all, the only thing i asked for was what the test consists of is all, I haven't been to any shows and never have known the details of any test or challenges. I can't just take someone product and put it under stress's it may have not been designed to do, the only thing would be to compare for my own satisfaction or anyone else that was interested... I'm sure I'll end up buying one in the future anyhow.

What kind of hunting and where? I would be very happy to trade you a knife towards a hunt! I could bring a few Busse's for you to try. If you are close to VA let me know and you can try one with no strings attached. Let me know what size you are interested in and I'll see what user I have in that category. No crazy testing on it, just regular use (Bone chopping is fine). It is tough to put faith in an expensive knife without having the opportunity to try it first, it was tough for me to justify my first one, after that it's been too easy!

I'm serious on my offer, let me know and we'll make it happen.

 

[Tyrkon Lawson]

So what are we testing with the phonebooks again?

Sharpness. Right? Now take that baby and do some heavy prying, choppiong, and batoning (for a knife) and post those pics.

 

[Sam Salvati]

these statements have nothing to do with anything that has been brought up.
you are simply turning this in to a personal attack because you cant think of anything better to post.
you've been an ass in every post you have made in this thread. your attacks from the beginning have been obvious and your bias even more so.
wtf is wrong with you?

Like i said, busse knives=nothing wrong with them. It's just the ridiculously fanatical fanbase that freaks anytime you post anything to the contrary that they are nothing more than choppers that give them a bad name. Not ALL the fans are fanatics either, just the ones that go nuts are what give them a bad name. Plus the whole marketing thing technique having to do with busse is just so cold steel, even worse so with the frenzies employed to sell more product. Thay are good enough to sell themselves so it is just a bit shameless to watch. (BTW, compressed your overuse of the enter key post so it is a bit easier to read).

 

[Jaxx]

So, they grind the edge on the knives to chops bricks, cut phone books in half? Because you chop so may bricks and phone books with a knife all the time they really need that geometry. Sounds to me like they don't trust they're steel and heat treating, so they have to compensate by grinding them big and fat, or that the buyers do things with them that you aren't supposed to do with a knife like chop bricks.:thumbdn: I restate my statment, you want a knife that cuts buy a knife, you want a knife to do what an axe can? Just buy an axe.

Busse has manufactured many types of knives, from big choppers down to small EDC fixed blade types... I'm sure that you are aware of this. Will a big Busse chopper like a Fusion Battle Mistress cut paper thin slices from a tomato with a factory edge? Probably not. Will a small bladed Busse EDC knife like a Game Warden, Active Duty or Leaner Meaner Street chop through a tree in any realistic timeframe? Probably not. All have their range of uses, just like any other knife company's line of knives... I find that the steel on Busse's is superior (in my unprofessional opinion) to many other types steel when this statement is applied to one steel for a wide range of uses. INFI doesn't seem to chip out or snap like many other steels can... JMHO.

Not that I have anything against axes, but my Battle Mistress has served extremely well in that capacity. I believe that it'll kick the snot out of many (not ALL, but many) hatchets.

If I want to shave slices off of a tomato, cut a steak, whittle wood, cut boxes, etc., these smaller Busse's are more than capable of handling that and much more... all with a factory edge NOT re-profiled by me. (Especially the lower Leaner Meaner St. in the first pic below... It has a wicked factory edge on it.)

This one could do both... But with a 5 inch blade, it may take awhile to cut the tree... but it'll slice anything as thinly as I'll ever need, from tree branches to tomatoes... It has passed the tomato slicing test with minimal effort... thin enough to see newspaper print through the slice. Sorry... No tomatoes on hand to show this, but I've been curious enough to try this before. It also has a factory edge not modded/re-profiled by me (or anyone).

So stop talking like Busse only makes one type of knife, and that it's only good for bricks & phonebooks. YOU say that you make knives... Do you have ONE KNIFE that can do anything from chop up a tree to thinly slice up produce??? Well, astound us with your knifemaking skills, and show us. Show us how wrong we are for liking Busse knives. Funny... I've asked this many times in many threads, and so far NO Busse basher has ever posted any kind of "wonder knife" capable of handling ALL knife tasks well... I find this amusing, because although many can bash Busse Combat Knife Co. easily enough, NONE can show the ONE KNIFE that would convince me to stop buying Busse's and start buying from the company that theirs comes from.

BTW... THIS guy has a good sense of humor, LOL

Busse's are over-rated!! If someone sent me one, I'd send it right back!! Please send the Badger Attack.
Lycosa

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Oh... So NOW you say that it's not the Busse KNIVES that you aren't a "fan" of, it's those of us who are fans of these knives...

I should have made more clear, not NOT a fan of the Busse knives, just not a fan of blind willful kool aid heads. Next thing you know you will hear news report of people going into spyderco and kershaw and Buck factories and blowing up they're dynamite vests screaming "death to the infidels!". Exhibit A.

It's great to be a fan, it's great to be a collector, but when you turn into a nut job that is just stupidity. BTW, snipped out your overuse of the jerkit smily because it's juvenile at best.

Let's check the record... Exhibit A:

Sorry i fixed the qoute. And yeah i ahve used one, the finger bump was highly uncomfortable, edge geometry so steep and the edge that was on it from the factory was a HUGE joke.

Exhibit B:

You want an axe, you get a busse, you want a knife look elswhere.

Exhibit C:

Cause they probably wouldn't win. edge angles are way too steep, they are more like axes than a knife. OH YEAH great for prying, so's a crowbar. Busses=sharpened crowbars made from GREAT steel.

Damn... Well at least we can agree on the GREAT STEEL part.
...You were saying something about being a "nutjob"??? LOL! Ok, whatever you say, pal.

 

[MORIMOTOM]

Like i said, busse knives=nothing wrong with them. It's just the ridiculously fanatical fanbase that freaks anytime you post anything to the contrary that they are nothing more than choppers that give them a bad name. Not ALL the fans are fanatics either, just the ones that go nuts are what give them a bad name. Plus the whole marketing thing technique having to do with busse is just so cold steel, even worse so with the frenzies employed to sell more product. They are good enough to sell themselves so it is just a bit shameless to watch. (BTW, compressed your overuse of the enter key post so it is a bit easier to read).

ive got several busses that are anything but cleavers or choppers.







what is even more ridiculous is the number of fantatical haters that show up in these threads. perhaps you could start your own forum, titled "the everything wrong with busse subforum". there seem to be enough of you in this thread. go whine to each other and no one will bother you.







gee, thx for compressing my post. i fixed your typo. and your grammar sucks, so you're perhaps the last person to comment on whether or not a post is easy to read.

 

[Sam Salvati]

Busse has manufactured many types of knives, from big choppers down to small EDC fixed blade types... I'm sure that you are aware of this. Will a big Busse chopper like a Fusion Battle Mistress cut paper thin slices from a tomato with a factory edge? Probably not. Will a small bladed Busse EDC knife like a Game Warden, Active Duty or Leaner Meaner Street chop through a tree in any realistic timeframe? Probably not. All have their range of uses, just like any other knife company's line of knives... I find that the steel on Busse's is superior (in my unprofessional opinion) to many other types steel when this statement is applied to one steel for a wide range of uses. INFI doesn't seem to chip out or snap like many other steels can... JMHO.

Not that I have anything against axes, but my Battle Mistress has served extremely well in that capacity. I believe that it'll kick the snot out of many (not ALL, but many) hatchets.

If I want to shave slices off of a tomato, cut a steak, whittle wood, cut boxes, etc., these smaller Busse's are more than capable of handling that and much more... all with a factory edge NOT re-profiled by me. (Especially the lower Leaner Meaner St. in the first pic below... It has a wicked factory edge on it.)

This one could do both... But with a 5 inch blade, it may take awhile to cut the tree... but it'll slice anything as thinly as I'll ever need, from tree branches to tomatoes... It has passed the tomato slicing test with minimal effort... thin enough to see newspaper print through the slice. Sorry... No tomatoes on hand to show this, but I've been curious enough to try this before. It also has a factory edge not modded/re-profiled by me (or anyone).

So stop talking like Busse only makes one type of knife, and that it's only good for bricks & phonebooks. YOU say that you make knives... Do you have ONE KNIFE that can do anything from chop up a tree to thinly slice up produce??? Well, astound us with your knifemaking skills, and show us. Show us how wrong we are for liking Busse knives. Funny... I've asked this many times in many threads, and so far NO Busse basher has ever posted any kind of "wonder knife" capable of handling ALL knife tasks well... I find this amusing, because although many can bash Busse Combat Knife Co. easily enough, NONE can show the ONE KNIFE that would convince me to stop buying Busse's and start buying from the company that theirs comes from.

BTW... THIS guy has a good sense of humor, LOL

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Oh... So NOW you say that it's not the Busse KNIVES that you aren't a "fan" of, it's those of us who are fans of these knives...


Let's check the record... Exhibit A:

Exhibit B:

Exhibit C:

Damn... Well at least we can agree on the GREAT STEEL part.
...You were saying something about being a "nutjob"??? LOL! Ok, whatever you say, pal.

Ahh busted. You missed this one however after those

As far as factory edge goes: Jerry's knives come with an edge that cuts well, chops well, and is very strong. Sure you can thin it out to slice better but then you give up a little in strength. And I mean a little. So the factory edge (with few exceptions) is not designed to be the ultimate slicer. Busee Combat does not make competition slicers. Many other awesome makers make thick knives as well. And they cut pretty darn good as well.

I hereby retract any statements to the otherwise.

 

[Grimspoon]

Jaxx has set the naysayer's faces to stunned:

 

[Tyrkon Lawson]

Okay, just a few things before we move on.

(1) If you post a thread in such a way that it appears you have an agenda against a certain product please do not complain when those who actually own, use, and like said product show up and enter the frey. I mean did the thread starter think Busse users would totally miss this thread or what?

(2) Let's try to keep things civil. I'd hate to see some chiclets given out over the baiting of certain individuals that are really not offering much to this thread. (Not pointing fingers but...come on).

Just my thoughts.

 

[Tyrkon Lawson]

Jaxx has set the naysayer's faces to stunned:

LMFAO: Can I steal that animated gif. That is priceless.

 

[Grimspoon]

Help yourself. I just wish I knew the original source!

It's strangely hypnotic...

 

[Tyrkon Lawson]

Kinda like siblings fighting. Let's just remember that we are all knife nuts here. Right?

 

[Sam Salvati]

Kinda like siblings fighting. Let's just remember that we are all knife nuts here. Right?

Right !

 

[Zombie Zeke]

Why is it that anytime its stated that someone doesn't like Busse knives it turns into a rubberband shootout at the elementary school cafeteria?


Busses are prohibitively expensive for the vast majority of knife users. If in fact a person actually does use a 400 or 500 dollar knife to pry with, cut up bricks and dig ditches with as mentioned earlier and multiple times in this thread doesn't that just call into question why they didn't buy a crowbar, shovel and hammer then have Ranger knives build a great knife that cuts? Then take the rest of the money to go out on a date with?

I ask this in jest of course and with no malice but the Busse fan club has killed the horse, beaten it and sent it out to the glue factory.

On a relevant note how about that new Browning Chopper I hear its a real beast.

 

[hardheart]

the Browning Competition knife designed by Crowell and Barker and mass produced? Doesn't exist, comp knives are designed only for competition cutting, they are too specialized

 

[Tyrkon Lawson]

Chef: The more $$$ for a date part would really make my wife happy. Shhhh!

Expense: Not really that bad. I consider Busse knives "semi-custom". So the $289.00 I paid for a CG BATAC is not that much more than some of the other knives out there of similar specs. And I love the Busse warranty.

But I know that when I first started buying serious knives I bought Swamp Rats for the price. Now it would be the Scrap Yard knives. Very affordable and very tough. Ranger knives also rock. And so many more that are great.

 

[Ebbtide]

Sharpness. Right? Now take that baby and do some heavy prying, choppiong, and batoning (for a knife) and post those pics.

Why would I want to do that?

 

[Tyrkon Lawson]

Why would I want to do that?

With that knife you wouldn't.

But I bet it is one mean slicer.

 

[Tyrkon Lawson]

If in fact a person actually does use a 400 or 500 dollar knife to pry with, cut up bricks and dig ditches with as mentioned earlier and multiple times in this thread doesn't that just call into question why they didn't buy a crowbar, shovel and hammer then have Ranger knives build a great knife that cuts?

Well to be honest I would rather have this (or another big quality knife):

Which can do a good enough job at prying, digging, and impact work.

than this:

Now the hammer is better at hammering, the shovel at digging, and the crobar at prying. But the Mistress can do all of those things and more. Not as good as each specialized tool but pretty good for my needs. And fits on/in my day pack or on my person nicely.

BTW: I have a huge crowbar and some small ones in my BOB, a few good hammers, and 2 good shovels. I use those for specialized work. They excell at that. But I do not see myself taking those on a trekk with me just so I have the ultimate tool for each job. A good tool (FFBM) works for me. But that's just me.

 

[Jaxx]

Ahh busted. You missed this one however after those

No, I didn't. I read that...
...I have noticed that many Busse bashers before you when running out of bad things to say about Busse Combat knives, and finding themselves in a "corner", will immediately switch tack, and begin to attack the people who defend their choice in Busse knives as, "nutjobs" (sound familiar?), "fanatics" (does this sound familiar too?) , "cultists", "followers", "Cool-aid drinkers", and many other derrogatory terms used against those who use & appreciate these fine knives. Just like you are doing now.

To me, it seems that you wish to illicit a negative response from others, and are posting in such a manner...

An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is someone who posts controversial messages in an on-line community such as an on-line discussion forum with the intention of baiting other users into responding emotionally. The rise of the expression "concern troll" reflects an expanded definition of troll as someone whose posts have the primary goal of disrupting or de-railing an internet community."

However, I do personally hesitate to call you a troll, because concerning me directly, I'm not really emotionally charged over your tiresome statements... Just freakin' bored, as I've heard it all before. :yawn::yawn::yawn:


Talk about...

 

[Sam Salvati]

You got the last word, aww you want a cookie?