2012 HTM Forum Gunhammer: *Commitment/Sign-up* thread

Just to be clear, Darrel/HTM are still proceeding with the original plan to have Type II anodized dark green anodized handles. The discussion of other handle colors is just as a backup plan in case that doesn't work out, either because they can't get a color close enough to what we wanted or because it would delay delivery by significantly longer than the 1-2 months Darrel anticipated.
 
Ray Allen said:
Color is important to be sure, but...the heart and soul of this is the S90V. So again I ask, who did the heat treatment, and what did the HRC come in at?
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Peters did the HT. Darrel says the range is 60-62 HRC as planned.
 
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Take me off the list, please. Truck broke down so I bought another one and can't justify a new knife right now.
 
Not gonna lie, I'm pretty disappointed in the number of people backing out of this after the knives are already in production. I understand where you're coming from, since to be honest, things are really tight around here (viz, my car has been vandalized 3 times now, I had to pay to repair damage to another person's car that I caused on accident while moving a couch for a friend, one of my pets nearly died and cost me nearly 2 grand, my AC died and had to be repaired, my wife has had to go to the hospital twice with joint injuries, and me once with nearly losing my finger to a power tool malfunction, and I lost one of my jobs, all since I placed my order). However, I remember reading this before I made my COMMITMENT.

neuron said:
Remember that your word is your bond, so please only commit if you're sure that, barring some unforeseeable calamity, you're going to be able to purchase one of these. Individuals who say they'll buy a knife but then back out later out create numerous problems for knife manufacturers and make it less likely that they'll be willing to take on projects like this in the future.
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I think it's safe to say that I understand that things happen, and of course, that's why neuron threw in the part about unforeseeable calamities. But frankly, if you didn't have enough on hand that 360 dollars makes a huge difference when something unforeseen happens, in my opinion you shouldn't have made the commitment in the first place. Also, I'm not necessarily directing this at SurpriseGoat, who came to this late, and may have missed the notion that this was supposed to be a firm commitment, not just a "I'll sign up as long as I feel that things are good for me," list. He just provided the impetus for the rant. And really, I'm just whining because I get the feeling that with people backing out like this, it's going to leave a sour taste in the mouth for Darrel and crew, which may nix the possibility of us getting to do another project like this. Props to them for being as understanding as they have.

Anyways, smoke and prayers for those of you who HAVE had sufficiently bad stuff go down to make you back out. May your luck improve, if you believe in such. End rant.
 
I agree with CF07. This is exactly why I was concerned about people popping in and popping out so casually for the last 2 months. I understand that crap happens and often will, but at the same time, this thing won't be ready for a while. Letting anyone and everyone in on things like this is what makes folks not want to participate. A cut off date should be firm and nothing personal but exceptions should not be made.
 
Guys if people keep backing out this will make things harder for future things of this nature:eek: I'm layed off myself but I gave my word and I will damn near do anything not to miss out on this knife:thumbup:
 
I'm even more excited now that I know Brad was behind the HT, from what I've heard he knows his S&%&! Woder how it will compare to my CF S90v Para2. I see a sore hand from testing in my future:thumbup: :D
 
I thought everyone who was in had to have already paid half up front, correct?

If they haven't paid up, they ought to be out.

Shouldn't this have all been sorted out months ago when the deadline arrived? Probably best to stop adding new folks at this time unless they pay up front like the rest of us did,

And, again, I have no issues with changing the handle. I really feel that strongly about a handle color. If it was up to me I would put quality first (III type), then time-of-delivery, and only then color (assuming everything else being equal).
 
mctrinket said:
I thought everyone who was in had to have already paid half up front, correct?

If they haven't paid up, they ought to be out.

Shouldn't this have all been sorted out months ago when the deadline arrived? Probably best to stop adding new folks at this time unless they pay up front like the rest of us did,

And, again, I have no issues with changing the handle. I really feel that strongly about a handle color. If it was up to me I would put quality first (III type), then time-of-delivery, and only then color (assuming everything else being equal).
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Yep, nobody else is being added at this point (and hasn't been for a while). If Darrel decides to make knives for the serial number spots that are vacant or for folks who don't pay the remaining balance (where applicable), I assume he'll just sell them at shows.
 
If we end up with extras as a result of people pulling out maybe we can auction them off for the forum?
 
mctrinket said:
I thought everyone who was in had to have already paid half up front, correct?

If they haven't paid up, they ought to be out.

Shouldn't this have all been sorted out months ago when the deadline arrived? Probably best to stop adding new folks at this time unless they pay up front like the rest of us did,

And, again, I have no issues with changing the handle. I really feel that strongly about a handle color. If it was up to me I would put quality first (III type), then time-of-delivery, and only then color (assuming everything else being equal).
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I second Mctrinket! Change the handle color to grey or black or stone wash it!! Quality first, delivery time, then color!! Merry Xmas to all!!!!!! :D
 
Striderco said:
I second Mctrinket! Change the handle color to grey or black or stone wash it!! Quality first, delivery time, then color!! Merry Xmas to all!!!!!! :D
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Make it so!

Alas, some folks seem really keen on having a green-handled knife.
 
^^Like me. I just want the knife that we theoretically all agreed on. How hard is it to just keep with what you signed up for? You put down your money for a green handled one. If you didn't want green, you shouldn't have signed up for one. If you couldn't afford it, you shouldn't have signed up for one. If you want a different style knife now, save it for another project. This one has been in the works for quite a long time and is now WELL past the time for this kind of input. It's not like there weren't several threads where you put in your input.
 
crimsonfalcon07 said:
^^Like me. I just want the knife that we theoretically all agreed on. How hard is it to just keep with what you signed up for? You put down your money for a green handled one. If you didn't want green, you shouldn't have signed up for one. If you couldn't afford it, you shouldn't have signed up for one. If you want a different style knife now, save it for another project. This one has been in the works for quite a long time and is now WELL past the time for this kind of input. It's not like there weren't several threads where you put in your input.
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There were posts about the handle--and there was a lot of people who were not thrilled to be getting a lesser quality handle treatment simply because others wanted a green handle.

Now we are hearing the green handle may not even be possible. And if so, it may be involve considerably more time.

So I don't really see the point in being all pissy about the color of a knife handle.

The knife is what matters: The steel and the fit and finish and the opening mechanism, etc., that is DDR/HTM.

Green, black, gray handle--it's all the same.
 
Crimson take a chill pill brother! We are just thinking here! PM me your addy and i ll send you some of Santas best egg nog!
 
I really don't care what the color is either, I'm in it for the s90v I suppose:D But I do think waiting alot longer for a color thats not as tough is kinda goofy:D Basically my thing is I don't want to wait several more months then be told it can't be matched. I think we need to make a cutoff date for color, and if they can't match it by then we vote :thumbup: I'm all for the dark green color though if they match it:thumbup: afterall thats what I signed up for
 
Just another update, after the thus far unsuccessful efforts to get a green color that fits what we want, the anodizing guy that Darrel has used for the HTM knives to this point has basically said that he won't be doing any more small runs/special colors for HTM. He (the anodizer) said that between the time, trial-and-error, and small batch size of these special color runs, they simply weren't economical for him to do. The anodizer said he'll continue to do the standard black, brown, and gray Type 3 anodizing, but not any others. That includes not only the green of the forum knife but also stuff like the TNK exclusive copper-colored Gunhammers and, I would assume, also some of the other colors that had been done as samples and considered for future addition to the HTM lineup (red, blue, and that weird puke-ish yellow color).

However, Darrel is in the process of looking for another anodizer that HTM can work with who is willing/able to do the green on the forum knife and any other non-standard colors that may come up in the future. So hope isn't lost for the dark green handles, and if it does end up not happening, it certainly won't be for lack of trying on Darrel's part!
 
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^ After hearing that, maybe we need to do a vote, I would hate to be unhappy with the color and from the research I did all morning on anodizing, it sounds like the color we want isn't very doable. I can see how the anodizer would not want to do it for such a small batch tho. I think it might be time to vote, I don't want to spend another month experimenting with a new anodizer Co. and I don't think this knife is a good experimentation platform. I don't see us finding new Ano guy and having colors matched in a timely manner:eek:
 
It would seem to make sense at this point to put a formal back up plan into play. If Darryl can not come up with a new guy to fit our needs, this will save time. Again, we stated we wanted dark green, and every effort should be made to meet that commitment, but if it just can't be done, I vote for the gray.
Best...
 
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