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:thumbup: I would be totally agreeable with this.
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2016 BladeForums Traditional Knife - Poll #1 - Main Blade Shape
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:thumbup: I would be totally agreeable with this.
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I would think that the counterpoint would be: if it's made public, will there be posts with comments like "Who the heck is rje58? and who are the other dozens of votes from BF members I'm not familiar with?" This doesn't seem like a friendly way to attract more interest to traditional knives.
The other issue might be: would any of the "regulars" use the public aspect of the poll to pressure or influence other "regulars".
"Eh, John, I see you voted for the freakin' spear point! I guess you're gonna vote against <the next poll feature I want>, too, huh, buddy?" < sent via email or PM >
FYI, I may not be a "regular" in the "Traditional Folders and Fixed Blades" subforum, but I've made more than a couple of purchases in the "The Knife Exchange: For Sale by Individuals: Traditionals, Slip Joints, Old Timey Style Knives" subforum.
I'm not saying that would happen, I'm just playing devil's advocate and presenting the other side of the coin.
The other issue might be: would any of the "regulars" use the public aspect of the poll to pressure or influence other "regulars".
"Eh, John, I see you voted for the freakin' spear point! I guess you're gonna vote against <the next poll feature I want>, too, huh, buddy?" < sent via email or PM >
FYI, I may not be a "regular" in the "Traditional Folders and Fixed Blades" subforum, but I've made more than a couple of purchases in the "The Knife Exchange: For Sale by Individuals: Traditionals, Slip Joints, Old Timey Style Knives" subforum.
I'm not saying that would happen, I'm just playing devil's advocate and presenting the other side of the coin.
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Wouldn't that be a reasonable question?!
If you HAD spent more time here, I hope that you'd realise the reaction from the regulars on the forum is unlikely to be as you suggest, it certainly never has before. With these 'public' polls, you don't get to find out the voting until you've voted yourself :thumbup:
I agree with this. There have been quite a few spear options produced in 2015/16, so some unique spear variant would be nice (unless the clip makes a comeback).
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Quote Originally Posted by SadSappySucker
"If we do go spea, and it seems to going in that direction. I hope we go with something unconventional. A zulu spear would be pretty cool."
A zulu would be unique but would tooling cost make that impractical?
"If we do go spea, and it seems to going in that direction. I hope we go with something unconventional. A zulu spear would be pretty cool."
+ 1 :thumbup:
A zulu would be unique but would tooling cost make that impractical?
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Jack, I understand the desire to make a poll accurately reflect the desires of the folks that are actually going to buy the knife. I'm not sure what's the better way to do this.
Unless we want to set a rule that a member must have a minimum number of posts in this subforum to vote, I don't see how a public poll would change things. Would the forum regulars' votes count more? Would newbie's votes be thrown out? It seems like we'd be opening the door to more conflict.
Unless we want to set a rule that a member must have a minimum number of posts in this subforum to vote, I don't see how a public poll would change things. Would the forum regulars' votes count more? Would newbie's votes be thrown out? It seems like we'd be opening the door to more conflict.
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I have no issues. I just thought it would be a cleaner post without a huge list of names.
I will ask Charlie the next time he is ready for a poll to go up.
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Wouldn't that be a reasonable question?!
If you HAD spent more time here, I hope that you'd realise the reaction from the regulars on the forum is unlikely to be as you suggest, it certainly never has before. With these 'public' polls, you don't get to find out the voting until you've voted yourself :thumbup:
Pretty sure that I count as a regular, and also fairly sure you have no idea who I am, and likewise.
What does that mean or prove? "Traditional" is neither a secret society nor a fraternity
...simply, as in other s/f's a place where like minded individuals gather.
Best Regards,
STeven Garsson
Wouldn't that be a reasonable question?!
If you HAD spent more time here, I hope that you'd realise the reaction from the regulars on the forum is unlikely to be as you suggest, it certainly never has before. With these 'public' polls, you don't get to find out the voting until you've voted yourself :thumbup:
No it isn't a reasonable question. Why should it make any difference what the reaction from the "regulars" would be however that term is defined? I would assume the concept is to determine what the interest level is. What difference does it make whether someone is a "regular" or not a "regular"? For the record I didn't cast a vote. I'll refrain from the normal thumbs up or similar emoticons.
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Wouldn't that be a reasonable question?!
If you HAD spent more time here, I hope that you'd realise the reaction from the regulars on the forum is unlikely to be as you suggest, it certainly never has before. With these 'public' polls, you don't get to find out the voting until you've voted yourself :thumbup:
I agree with Rachel. I see no benefit in a "public" poll.
The most that should be done is to ask that those who have no intent of purchasing a Forum knife not vote. We have done that in the past and it seems to work reasonably well. We usually get a few clinkers, but that's just going to happen, no matter what. Stuff happens. Deal with it.
From my perspective, there are no "regulars" in the Traditional Forum. There are only folks who are currently posting in it. The membership changes over time. I've watched it happen. There are folks who post often. There are folks who post seldom. There are folks who post prolifically for a while, then their interests turn elsewhere. There are folks who have close friends who also post in the Traditional forum. There are lots of folks who don't have close friends here.
They all count the same to Gary and me.
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knarfeng said:
And me
I'm one of those regulars who drop in and out and I know who you are SG 
, we've been around awhile and I've been around since about 50 folks informally came together to make a Traditional forum's knife 10 years ago. As the numbers grew the selection process evolved and continued to do so as we progressed throughout the years to what we have today.Everyone has an opinion as to what the forum knife should be and a completly democratic vote would be ideal but if we went that route at this point polling every aspect of the knife it would take 2 years to make a knife, ( who knows maybe a biennial knife might be a way to go someday). Right know we have a member whose done knives before, many SFOs and knows the mechanics involved with getting it done.
I for one am more than happy to put the future forum knife in his more than capable hands. Let's get this baby rolling and let the experts do what they do best.
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Seems like getting data only from those that will be purchasing, as near the top of important data. But also, maybe if the poll was opened up to a broader audience, possibly traditionals would be introduced/reintroduced to more people, even if only for the fact of limited production run.
And a question could be added to each poll...."If you voted, are you committed at this time to purchase one or more knives from this production run, regardless of final configuration?"
Just thinking. It was the introduction (on a gun forum), of the forum knife from a past year that not only brought me to bladeforums, but specifically to the traditional forum. I missed '14; but I didn't ever want to miss out on something as beautiful to me as the 2014 Stag Jack ever again.
At the time I only had a few select inexpensive trads, but now have approx a couple hundred traditionals. And became determined to purchase last years knife of any configuration, and any cost (within reason).
And a question could be added to each poll...."If you voted, are you committed at this time to purchase one or more knives from this production run, regardless of final configuration?"
Just thinking. It was the introduction (on a gun forum), of the forum knife from a past year that not only brought me to bladeforums, but specifically to the traditional forum. I missed '14; but I didn't ever want to miss out on something as beautiful to me as the 2014 Stag Jack ever again.
At the time I only had a few select inexpensive trads, but now have approx a couple hundred traditionals. And became determined to purchase last years knife of any configuration, and any cost (within reason).
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I think that in the past, polls have been 'public' (ie it's possible to see how the votes are composed), and that is the default position when one is posted I think (I stand to be corrected). I wasn't suggesting that any votes wouldn't count, or that others should count more, rather that the data be available :thumbup:
The names aren't displayed, they're just accessible if you choose to look, the same as similar information is available by right-clicking on the overall number of posts for any thread :thumbup:
Yes, I think you do, and I am well aware who you are :thumbup:
There are also folks who don't post here at all Frank, and they could vote whether the poll was 'public' or 'private' :thumbup:
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People should vote only if they have the clear desire to buy the knife. It seems that this code of honour has generally worked, I mean, there's yet to be a Forum Knife that has failed to reach the projected numbers. Usually there's more people wanting to buy than knives available.
I fail to see why 'regulars' should have more say in this matter, that might put potential new members off from participating in the Forum at all. Cliques have a habit of becoming unwelcoming, hierarchical and quickly extinct. The door is always open, many newcomers have more knowledge of knives than I do and I learn from them, despite being a 'regular' or is that fixture?
Regards, Will
I fail to see why 'regulars' should have more say in this matter, that might put potential new members off from participating in the Forum at all. Cliques have a habit of becoming unwelcoming, hierarchical and quickly extinct. The door is always open, many newcomers have more knowledge of knives than I do and I learn from them, despite being a 'regular' or is that fixture?
Regards, Will
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Well before this goes any further, I hope my post (repeated below - now highlighted) makes my own position clear :thumbup:
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I'm not sure why the term 'regular' has such pejorative connotations for some. For me, it is simply an abbreviated form of 'regular poster', those who post in the Traditional subforum regularly, or have in the past. In my experience here, the regular posters have always been both welcoming to newcomers, and helpful to those passing through.
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He is the one whose order for forum knives 2015,14,13,12,11,09,08,07 and 06 was never cleared.
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I voted. I may nor may not buy one. I voted last year but didn't buy one. I bought the previous two years' knives because I liked the final designs and had the available funds to do so.
From my prior experience, anyone with money can go buy the forum knife using the link provided when it is ready for pre-order, whether or not they are even a registered member of BF. There is probably no valid reason to change how the polls are done, nor to try to limit participation beyond the current requirement that you at least have to be a registered member here.
From my prior experience, anyone with money can go buy the forum knife using the link provided when it is ready for pre-order, whether or not they are even a registered member of BF. There is probably no valid reason to change how the polls are done, nor to try to limit participation beyond the current requirement that you at least have to be a registered member here.