2018 BF Traditional Knife

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rswanson said:
I think the "rumor" is just thr perception that any knife they would produce needs to be based on a frame already in their self-determined production schedule. Is that not the case?
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In the past, they did an exclusive pattern and waited at least a year before they used if for a slightly different run.... IE the Congress Jack
 
Why do folks think that a knife made by Manly without the pocket clip is appropriate for the traditional forum?? Nothing against the manufacturer but they do not make any traditional knives unless the idea of traditional is reduced to only meaning a knife without a pocket clip or thumb stud--that would be unfortunate.

Although I've been trying to keep up with the topic, it is 20 pages long and I may have missed some important information. If the pattern has to be in production at the time, then what patterns will GEC be offering? Also, what was the knife that Charlie had in mind?

For many years, I've been hoping that GEC will make a sowbelly but that is not yet one of their patterns. I think that a stainless steel #15 with a clip blade and a cap lifter would be extremely popular. They've previously made a stainless steel #15 but I don't know if they'd be willing to use stainless again. Also, I don't know if they would be willing to squeeze in another run of #15.
 
supratentorial said:
For many years, I've been hoping that GEC will make a sowbelly but that is not yet one of their patterns.
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The Sowbelly happens to be a pattern that is one of my biological dad's favorites. He carries one made by Case every day. The only knife that I was casually on the lookout for at the recent Oregon Show was a Sowbelly and though it is probably very likely that I missed numerous knives due to the sheer number there, I think I only saw a couple at a table that was predominantly occupied by Case knives. And they were covered in Case's yellow delrin, which didn't excite me overly much.

I would love to see GEC produce a Sowbelly. Not only would it be cool to see them add another pattern to their repertoire but it would be a terrific way for me to introduce my dad to one of my favored cutlers. Sure he has seen my GEC knives and he admires them for what they are but I can tell none of the patterns I have shown him have really "jumped" out at him. I think a Sowbelly could really grab him.
 
traumkommode said:
I'd be all for a sowbelly. Can we just get them to do a stainless run?
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Pàdruig said:
The Sowbelly happens to be a pattern that is one of my biological dad's favorites. He carries one made by Case every day. The only knife that I was casually on the lookout for at the recent Oregon Show was a Sowbelly and though it is probably very likely that I missed numerous knives due to the sheer number there, I think I only saw a couple at a table that was predominantly occupied by Case knives. And they were covered in Case's yellow delrin, which didn't excite me overly much.

I would love to see GEC produce a Sowbelly. Not only would it be cool to see them add another pattern to their repertoire but it would be a terrific way for me to introduce my dad to one of my favored cutlers. Sure he has seen my GEC knives and he admires them for what they are but I can tell none of the patterns I have shown him have really "jumped" out at him. I think a Sowbelly could really grab him.
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Charlie has said a sowbelly is something they will do in the future but they aren't ready yet. If or when they need them, I've got detailed photos of an oldie with almost full blades for patterning. ...full except a chip at the tip of the sheepfoot and 1% missing from the edge on the clip blade. According to Levine, knives should be patterned after oldies with full blades and this is probably as close as we'll get for an example this old.

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This one has been used and sharpened but it gives an idea of how the blades nest in a jack built on the sowbelly frame. The photos also show the "Barbie" or "sowbelly shield".

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gunstockjack said:
Who started the rumor that GEC would not be accommodating? They have bent over backwards in the past for BF members and the forum knife.
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I think that may have been me Barry, but I was only picking up a point that I think you made about us needing to locate a pattern that GEC already intends to produce. As you will see, I am not anti-GEC and indeed I have suggested a couple of ways we can work in with that, such as a single bladed Gunstock (surely you approve!)

For those of us who didn’t participate in the 74, 77 or the 85, painful as that process now sounds, its kinda cool and fun and clearly very successful, we want to keep that tradition going.
 
It’s been said before, but we have no idea what GEC is doing after September, and most likely, the forum knife, if it were to be made by them, wouldn’t happen til after then anyway. It’s very possible that they may have a new pattern.

The Buck stockmans don’t really excite me much.

I would be on board for a sowbelly. Heck, make it a stockman and you’d satisfy even more people. Steel doesn’t matter all that much to me.

It’s interesting seeing GEC’s business model change. Several years ago, they were changing patterns every few hundred knives. I have quite a few with the 1 of 25 etch. If you were to include all of the different variations, the runs were probably around the 250 piece mark. Of course, I’ve been dead wrong before!

I’ve seen GEC do a special SFO run for other forums in the past that wasn’t a regular run pattern at the time.
 
supratentorial said:
Charlie has said a sowbelly is something they will do in the future but they aren't ready yet. If or when they need them, I've got detailed photos of an oldie with almost full blades for patterning. ...full except a chip at the tip of the sheepfoot and 1% missing from the edge on the clip blade. According to Levine, knives should be patterned after oldies with full blades and this is probably as close as we'll get.

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This one has been used and sharpened but it gives an idea of how the blades nest in a jack built on the sowbelly frame. The photos also show the "Barbie" or "sowbelly shield".
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Is that pearl? Coined liners?! I wish more knives were made with coined liners. And matchstrike pulls!! I like me some fancy bling in my pockets!
 
draggat said:
Is that pearl? Coined liners?! I wish more knives were made with coined liners. And matchstrike pulls!! I like me some fancy bling in my pockets!
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It is pearl with coined liners. :thumbsup: No match strike pulls on this one but that could certainly be added to a "rebirthed" sowbelly. Bill was at Queen when they made the pattern and they made a LOT of nice variations. He most likely has lots of prior experience with the pattern.

The pattern would also look good with Charlie's diamond shield and slanted bolsters. My favorite is with the straight, lined bolsters and "Barbie" shield. Lots of different bling possibilities!

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I just don't want another 1095 knife that costs $100. It rusts, it smells. Sure patina is fun. But there are plenty of other steels out there that take just as nice or nicer edges, hold them way longer, and don't rust. $100 is a lot of money, especially considering that we're not getting really nice knives with M390 for not much more. I don't know how many stainless forum knives we have had aside from the canal Street, but the 1095 sure outnumbers the stainless. I've sharpened a lot of different steels, and this idea that carbon steel is easier to sharpen than stainless just isn't true in my experience. Reprofile an edge takes a long time no matter the steel. Once the angles are set, raising a burr is nothing, even on super steels.

A stainless cap Lifter 15 would be cool, Jake. I'm not really crazy about the gunstock but a single blade, especially a stainless would get me excited. Even a stainless lambsfoot if GEC ends up making one with @waynorth would be great.

My gripes about GEC aren't that they haven't been accommodating - they've made knives for the forum. But they aren't responsive, at least to me and my requests for
patterns that aren't even new, and stainless blades, and I'm feeling like there's just not going to be a knife that I want from then because of it. This upcoming 77 Barlow is the only knife they've put out that I've felt really excited about since 2016.

The other side of this, is that I think we ask a lot more for our club knife than other clubs do. I think the other club knives are basically just a shield, Tang stamp, and to label applied to the knife that is on the schedule to be produced in coincidence with that club's meeting. So maybe it's due to our specific tastes and requests that it's such an effort to get our club knife.

But still. I want stainless.
 
Hess would make us a GEC 1095 fixed blade, for 80 or 90 dollars. I'd rather have the Buck stockman, but if we have to have carbon steel, I'd prefer a fixed blade, I guess. Something camp knife sized.
 
supratentorial said:
Why do folks think that a knife made by Manly without the pocket clip is appropriate for the traditional forum?? Nothing against the manufacturer but they do not make any traditional knives unless the idea of traditional is reduced to only meaning a knife without a pocket clip or thumb stud--that would be unfortunate.

Although I've been trying to keep up with the topic, it is 20 pages long and I may have missed some important information. If the pattern has to be in production at the time, then what patterns will GEC be offering? Also, what was the knife that Charlie had in mind?

For many years, I've been hoping that GEC will make a sowbelly but that is not yet one of their patterns. I think that a stainless steel #15 with a clip blade and a cap lifter would be extremely popular. They've previously made a stainless steel #15 but I don't know if they'd be willing to use stainless again. Also, I don't know if they would be willing to squeeze in another run of #15.
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If you look at Manly's website you will see a very nice Traditional in Stag or Horn that is rather like a Laguiole, complete with filework. 154 steel. The cost is about 110 Euro, but that's for one, a run might be cheaper.

I do agree with you about a Modern sans pocket-clip not representing Traditional ethos, pretty sure few people would welcome it either.

http://manly-bg.com/catalog/887_category.html
 
Will Power said:
If you look at Manly's website you will see a very nice Traditional in Stag or Horn that is rather like a Laguiole, complete with filework. 154 steel. The cost is about 110 Euro, but that's for one, a run might be cheaper.

I do agree with you about a Modern sans pocket-clip not representing Traditional ethos, pretty sure few people would welcome it either.
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That spine could say 'Bladeforums' ;) :thumbsup:
 
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