Attention 2019 Forum knife question thread.

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I sure hope that as long as the group, as a collective, makes sure the sponsors come out even (or even ahead, I don’t mind mike and company making a couple bucks for their work), that the tradition will continue. As a leader, I understand that it’s the teams strength is what matters. And that strength has to also overcome the weaknesses sometime. This time, we did.
 
Am I correct in thinking ?that 50....FIFTY!!!....people participated in the polls and presumably read the very specific and yet plainly worded "dont participate in these polls if you arent going to stump up the cashola for one of these knives." clause ...who does that?....even for a mindless violent cretinious dotard like me...it wasnt hard to understand....come on.
 
meako said:
Am I correct in thinking ?that 50....FIFTY!!!....people participated in the polls and presumably read the very specific and yet plainly worded "dont participate in these polls if you arent going to stump up the cashola for one of these knives." clause ...who does that?....even for a mindless violent cretinious dotard like me...it wasnt hard to understand....come on.
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Violent? :eek::D:cool:
 
Just have to wait for next year and see how the wind blows. The most difficult aspect is getting one person to handle things and collect the money. You have to be set up for something like that and it is good to have a relationship with the manufacturer. I pretty much didn't participate in the selection process but I did pay attention to what was going on. I felt sure that ultimately good choices that I would be comfortable with would be made. I didn't get a second one but was willing to help out with this even though I honestly didn't want two. I have more knives than I need and sometimes more knives than I want. Hence, why I only signed up for one knife. I sometimes wonder why I even bother with another one.... but I just bought two more in the last week. Not expensive stuff.
 
Never mind about that! Im ramping up for tonights World Cup Violence ..Eng v SA...
The good ship 2019 Forumknife is tight ,the crew loyal to a man...its way hay and up she rises ! Mutineers overboard! Under Neptunes watchful gaze.
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22-rimfire said:
Just have to wait for next year and see how the wind blows. The most difficult aspect is getting one person to handle things and collect the money. You have to be set up for something like that and it is good to have a relationship with the manufacturer. I pretty much didn't participate in the selection process but I did pay attention to what was going on. I felt sure that ultimately good choices that I would be comfortable with would be made. I didn't get a second one but was willing to help out with this even though I honestly didn't want two. I have more knives than I need and sometimes more knives than I want. Hence, why I only signed up for one knife. I sometimes wonder why I even bother with another one.... but I just bought two more in the last week. Not expensive stuff.
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I feel as though Im in the presence of a Spectre type evil mastermind...do you by any chance own a high backed swivel chair, white persian kitten and a collapsible bridge over a pool of rare man eating sharks?:D
 
Misplaced Hillbilly said:
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I sincerely hope that its not the end of the forum knives.
On that subject, While it was a bit of a setback to have 50 people who placed orders to go mia,in true Porch fashion many stepped forward so Mike wouldn't be left holding the bag. My joke before was a bit tongue in cheek, but speaking for myself paying for a second one was no small thing. But I felt it was the right thing to do regardless of my personal budget. I dont say that to pat myself on the back,hopefully it doesn't seem that way. In a way that 50 people ducked out I feel it brought ot the best of what makes the Traditional forum so great. That is we as a whole didn't want to see one person left bearing the burden of others failing. Yes having an extra forum knife would have been nice,but I'm much happier missing out on a second knowing others who really wanted one and missed out the first time got one. All this is to say why I believe the tradition should continue,instead of 50 people who failed for whatever reason, we had more than 50 more to be willing to make it right. Thats what I see anyways.
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I agree wholeheartedly with your points and it’s wonderful people stepped forward to “take up the slack.” what I am saying is that I would not be surprised if we did not see it happen again because it’s not with it for the mods or a dealer to take it on as 50 is a big number to have MIA and to prevent this in the future may require even more work on their part. I hope this will
Not be the case but I could understand if it was.
 
NewBlades16 said:
I agree wholeheartedly with your points and it’s wonderful people stepped forward to “take up the slack.” what I am saying is that I would not be surprised if we did not see it happen again because it’s not with it for the mods or a dealer to take it on as 50 is a big number to have MIA and to prevent this in the future may require even more work on their part. I hope this will
Not be the case but I could understand if it was.
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The solution is to require pre-payment during the ordering process like last year and previous years. Then you only place an order for knives that are paid for.
 
I'd like to take this opportunity to thank everyone involved in this for an exemplary effort. I think combing the list for those who really wanted a knife and didn't get in on the initial orders vs. those of use willing to absorb additional pieces to take the liability off Mike is a perfect example of sportsmanship.

At the same time I think a couple things could be done to eliminate some of the issues that have been prevalent over the years in these efforts.

First, I think it should be made clear that if you order a knife and fail to live up to your commitment you should forfeit any chance of reserving an forum knife in the future.

Second, I think there should be a cap on the number of knives for any given year. Setting a specific number (say 300) would make it easier for everyone, from the manufacturer (who would know early on how many to make) to whoever handles the sales as they could use a "reserve' system and then provide a specific time frame in which to send the funds. Would someone be disappointed because there were not enough knives? Probably. But likewise we wouldn't have anyone stuck holding 50 knives that were ordered and never claimed. And frankly, I prefer to have a demand for such items as they have more value (although club knives are, with exceptions poor investments). (And I think that's because runs of more than a couple hundred are not really "special".)
 
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The solution is to require pre-payment during the ordering process like last year and previous years. Then you only place an order for knives that are paid for.[/QUOTE
True. I won’t go off on a rabbit hole since this thread is on this year’s forum knife but remember the Buck dealer went way out of his way and bent over backwards and many were just not happy with the knife. Some legit but many I think nit picked it to death. Remember? I would be surprised he would do it again. I’m just saying there is always something and that something is getting a bit too much for those that have done it before. Barry? Do you hear me? Hahaha!!
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eisman said:
I'd like to take this opportunity to thank everyone involved in this for an exemplary effort. I think combing the list for those who really wanted a knife and didn't get in on the initial orders vs. those of use willing to absorb additional pieces to take the liability off Mike is a perfect example of sportsmanship.

At the same time I think a couple things could be done to eliminate some of the issues that have been prevalent over the years in these efforts.

First, I think it should be made clear that if you order a knife and fail to live up to your commitment you should forfeit any chance of reserving an forum knife in the future.

Second, I think there should be a cap on the number of knives for any given year. Setting a specific number (say 300) would make it easier for everyone, from the manufacturer (who would know early on how many to make) to whoever handles the sales as they could use a "reserve' system and then provide a specific time frame in which to send the funds. Would someone be disappointed because there were not enough knives? Probably. But likewise we wouldn't have anyone stuck holding 50 knives that were ordered and never claimed. And frankly, I prefer to have a demand for such items as they have more value (although club knives are, with exceptions poor investments). (And I think that's because runs of more than a couple hundred are not really "special".)
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I agree and drop the hammer. People can’t be upset because this is what it has come to. On the other hand, I think it really is awesome that people stepped up to make those 50 extra (and the cash deficit) disappear. Doesn’t surprise me though because I knew people would step up. Your solution is a good remedy but don’t forget the most important thing! This can only work if someone is willing to take on the hassle. And the mods are very particular about who that someone should be and rightfully so!!
 
NewBlades16 NewBlades16 The forum knives haven't been that nitpicked that much in recent years or that is my memory and impression. But I know that folks do look closely at these special orders in terms of fit and finish. My Buck 301 was fine. The elk could have matched on both sides a little better, but I was comfortable after sleeping on it a couple days and comparing to ones other folks received. None of these are custom knives.

I am aware that Mike made his choices. That doesn't mean he should have to eat $5K since this was all done as a favor to the forum. Everything has worked out and I'm okay with it all. I'm glad that for whatever reason I wasn't asked to buy a second knife even though I volunteered. I just didn't really want a second.

As far as future value.... I don't care what they are worth down the road.
 
eisman said:
First, I think it should be made clear that if you order a knife and fail to live up to your commitment you should forfeit any chance of reserving an forum knife in the future
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In my limited understating of the mechanics behind this, this seems the first best option to me. By limiting the number of knives made, you’ll also take a huge chance on limiting some forum regulars who can’t sit on sale opening day and may lose out. But I’d also hate to see too many rules. Either way, I’m thankful to those that put their wallets and time out to make this happen.

fwiw, I’d have even been ok with mike selling those ~50 on his site to the open public for a profit. But that would open up a whole new can of worms. So I’ll just sit here and be appreciative of their work and time.
 
It sure is a complex conundrum ...and there is no simple solution. ....Well yes there is...the numbers cap... but that means exclusion...and to my mind and I'm sure many others that would not be in the spirit of the porch....more like a gated community.
Porchenberg Meadows Estate...where you can watch the world go by ...from behind our 20 ft electric fence.....(sound of bullhorn: Aldous Meakly! Stop what you doing and come with us ! You WILL be incinerated if you do not comply!)
So its back to the Porchenberg Dept of thought adjustment headed up by evil Dr Porchenstein himself...recently returned from a vivisection and brain slivering conference in Buenos Aires...for compliance therapy....Nurse! the needle please...there there meako this is just a vitamin injectionholdimdownyouidiots!
But the first run was only 30...knives....we must inclu............people......pre pay.....pre pay.....keep...tradition...alive.......
 
I don't think Gary or I want to think deeply about next year at this point.
We aren't even finished with this year's knife.

But I'll say this about the forum knives in general.
It's a tremendous amount of work for somebody, no matter how it is organized.
This year, it's been a $41,094.44 effort.
The fact that there is that much money involved adds greatly to the complexity. The process must be secure.

Putting together an ad hoc team without a dealer member in the mix is not an option. Working with a dealer can place limitations on how and when we collect the money, as it did this year. Dealers are running businesses. They take on a huge headache by helping us and they do not make a profit from it. We have been very fortunate over the years to have dealer members who have stepped forward to help us.

Having members who vehemently complain about what we manage to offer as we did earlier this year during the selection process, makes a tough problem even less inviting to take up. I hope that does not get repeated in any future endeavors.
 
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