A Simple Statement

[LMT66]

I agree 100%, there is pretty clear deformation in this pic.

It's an illusion as this was shot in macro. What your seeing is surface discoloration. That edge (between the arrows) is the spot where you get lock bar hang when you don't close it properly with one hand. (pushing blade before you clear the bar) There is no deformation to the metal.

His(LMT66) lock bar is fine, as he said. When you look at things with a macro lens it really makes things look much worse than they actually are. We see that often here on BF.

Exactly!!!! It seems that some freak out when they see certain pictures and make issues out of absolutely nothing and question a makers QC. Even down to screws with micro variances.

That's why I said it may just be the image. Either way, if he's fine with it and isn't experiencing problems (like rock lock), then it's a non issue.

-sh00ter

Rock solid, no lock rock, sideways blade play or pivot play.

 

[Darth Detori]

My personal experience is this:
I carried my small sebenza with me for a year. In that year I would open it more than necessary, when bored, as I do with all my knives. Never would I employ any wrist action nor would I flick it with my thumb harder than necessary to get the knife into the locked position. On rare occassion I would push down on the jimping with my thumb to reassure myself of the locks strength, again as I do with all my knives. The result is a chipped lock bar. Side to side there's still no play, but the lock fails if pressure is applied to the back of the blade. I contacted CRK and was told I'd likely need a new lock side for $130.

Long story short I only carry my sebenza now on rare occassion. It's a pretty thing, but ultimately I equate CRK with beautiful knives that don't stand up to EDC use. I'd like to think otherwise, but I've been carrying knives for years and haven't had to deal with a broken lock save for on this one knife. I buy knives that are utterly dependable and unfortunately the sebenza is off that list.

 

[wolf5391]

My personal experience is this:
I carried my small sebenza with me for a year. In that year I would open it more than necessary, when bored, as I do with all my knives. Never would I employ any wrist action nor would I flick it with my thumb harder than necessary to get the knife into the locked position. On rare occassion I would push down on the jimping with my thumb to reassure myself of the locks strength, again as I do with all my knives. The result is a chipped lock bar. Side to side there's still no play, but the lock fails if pressure is applied to the back of the blade. I contacted CRK and was told I'd likely need a new lock side for $130.

Long story short I only carry my sebenza now on rare occassion. It's a pretty thing, but ultimately I equate CRK with beautiful knives that don't stand up to EDC use. I'd like to think otherwise, but I've been carrying knives for years and haven't had to deal with a broken lock save for on this one knife. I buy knives that are utterly dependable and unfortunately the sebenza is off that list.

unfortunately you are correct....

 

[The Savage Rabbit]

My personal experience is this:
I carried my small sebenza with me for a year. In that year I would open it more than necessary, when bored, as I do with all my knives. Never would I employ any wrist action nor would I flick it with my thumb harder than necessary to get the knife into the locked position. On rare occassion I would push down on the jimping with my thumb to reassure myself of the locks strength, again as I do with all my knives. The result is a chipped lock bar. Side to side there's still no play, but the lock fails if pressure is applied to the back of the blade. I contacted CRK and was told I'd likely need a new lock side for $130.

Long story short I only carry my sebenza now on rare occassion. It's a pretty thing, but ultimately I equate CRK with beautiful knives that don't stand up to EDC use. I'd like to think otherwise, but I've been carrying knives for years and haven't had to deal with a broken lock save for on this one knife. I buy knives that are utterly dependable and unfortunately the sebenza is off that list.

If that were my experience I would reach the same conclusion. Fortunately, my experience differs. I carried a small Classic every day for over a year. I opened it as often as you describe. More than necessary, sometimes just playing with it while on conference calls (I have a cool office), but never whipping it open. It seems as strong today as it did on the day I bought it. I've subsequently purchased a small 21 with rain drop and ebony. I've only EDC'd this for a few months. I am not expecting any problems.

Sorry to hear about your bad experience. If you lose confidence in a gun or knife, it doesn't matter what anyone else says about their experiene, the knife can't be enjoyed.

 

[Darth Detori]

Honestly wolf, I'm reading through this thread and it looks like I'm in your exact same shoes- no abuse, then being told by everyone that we must be chucking our sebenzas across the room to close them. THIS is how I open my sebenza. If this is too much pressure, then the sebenza (or maybe just an isolated few like myself and wolf) is too inadequate a knife for me.

I honestly feel like I might just have a lemon, but I can't afford to send a knife back and forth only to be told that I need to pay more than I have for a knife that shouldn't be broken.

 

[nccole]

Honestly wolf, I'm reading through this thread and it looks like I'm in your exact same shoes- no abuse, then being told by everyone that we must be chucking our sebenzas across the room to close them. THIS is how I open my sebenza. If this is too much pressure, then the sebenza (or maybe just an isolated few like myself and wolf) is too inadequate a knife for me.

I honestly feel like I might just have a lemon, but I can't afford to send a knife back and forth only to be told that I need to pay more than I have for a knife that shouldn't be broken.

Sounds like you got a lemon. It happens sometimes. It could be a bad batch of Ti, or bad heat treat, or anything in the manufacturing process. It does bother me a bit that CRK would not replace it for you. Of course you would have to ship it and let them examine it and determine no abuse, but after that just replace free of charge. I bet some chemical testing could be done and maybe some answers could be had. I think the main thing from reading all of this is the vast majority of CRK (and most knives from most decent companies actually) are great, they are durable and designed adequately. Problems do happen in manufacturing though, and I seem to get the picture from this thread that CRK is sometimes passing some warranty work they should take care of off as customer abuse. I pass no real judgement because I have no personal experience with any companies' warranty department, or the need for it, but also see the customer with this potential problem just being screwed and then demonized by the community.

 

[wolf5391]

Sounds like you got a lemon. It happens sometimes. It could be a bad batch of Ti, or bad heat treat, or anything in the manufacturing process. It does bother me a bit that CRK would not replace it for you. Of course you would have to ship it and let them examine it and determine no abuse, but after that just replace free of charge. I bet some chemical testing could be done and maybe some answers could be had. I think the main thing from reading all of this is the vast majority of CRK (and most knives from most decent companies actually) are great, they are durable and designed adequately. Problems do happen in manufacturing though, and I seem to get the picture from this thread that CRK is sometimes passing some warranty work they should take care of off as customer abuse. I pass no real judgement because I have no personal experience with any companies' warranty department, or the need for it, but also see the customer with this potential problem just being screwed and then demonized by the community.

you hit the nail on the head with this one.

 

[wolf5391]

Honestly wolf, I'm reading through this thread and it looks like I'm in your exact same shoes- no abuse, then being told by everyone that we must be chucking our sebenzas across the room to close them. THIS is how I open my sebenza. If this is too much pressure, then the sebenza (or maybe just an isolated few like myself and wolf) is too inadequate a knife for me.

I honestly feel like I might just have a lemon, but I can't afford to send a knife back and forth only to be told that I need to pay more than I have for a knife that shouldn't be broken.

In your video, thats just about how I open mine, but a little less "umf" behind it. Either way opening a knife like that shouldnt cause damage, hell even in there video where you can obviously see there abusing the crap out of the knife by wrist flicking it, the lock face wasnt even damaged that bad. Does that mean we can do it now (not like I would even do that obviously) but it seems counter productive for them to put a video out saying that that was abuse, but having no ill effects on the lock after doing it.

Of course this is just my opinion but im waiting on the next video as well to see what they really have to do to get the lock that way. All there video shows me is that My knife was just a lemon, because it was opened softer and less than theres and had more "damage/flaking".

 

[nccole]

you hit the nail on the head with this one.

Thanks, now they will all hate me, just playing. But, hopefully, some sort of conclusion can be had from all of this. I know this, if CRK finds some defects and comes out and admits and lays out a course of action to fix it and keeps customers happy (which it sounds like they do most of the time), I will seriously consider them when I want to spend $400 on a knife. The defect is fine, it happens, but the owner of a company talking to you the way he did (I do not know you and will take your word on it unless other evidence says not to), and then an employee (so long as she is someone who actually works for CRK) interfering with a sales thread on BF is really not cool, and makes me not want to do business with them. On the other hand, this is the internet and you have to take everything you hear and be very critical, so I do feel everyone should make their own assessments, but appreciate people sharing good and bad circumstances.

 

[kawr]

Thanks, now they will all hate me, just playing. But, hopefully, some sort of conclusion can be had from all of this. I know this, if CRK finds some defects and comes out and admits and lays out a course of action to fix it and keeps customers happy (which it sounds like they do most of the time), I will seriously consider them when I want to spend $400 on a knife. The defect is fine, it happens, but the owner of a company talking to you the way he did (I do not know you and will take your word on it unless other evidence says not to), and then an employee (so long as she is someone who actually works for CRK) interfering with a sales thread on BF is really not cool, and makes me not want to do business with them. On the other hand, this is the internet and you have to take everything you hear and be very critical, so I do feel everyone should make their own assessments, but appreciate people sharing good and bad circumstances.

I have zero issue with heather chiming in to mention the defective lockbar on that dude's sebenza that NEEDS to be replaced like crk already stated. He chose to leave out the defective lockbar that needed to be replaced part out in his sale thread and glossed it over with "it has very minor vertical play that nobody would notice."

 

[wolf5391]

Thanks, now they will all hate me, just playing. But, hopefully, some sort of conclusion can be had from all of this. I know this, if CRK finds some defects and comes out and admits and lays out a course of action to fix it and keeps customers happy (which it sounds like they do most of the time), I will seriously consider them when I want to spend $400 on a knife. The defect is fine, it happens, but the owner of a company talking to you the way he did (I do not know you and will take your word on it unless other evidence says not to), and then an employee (so long as she is someone who actually works for CRK) interfering with a sales thread on BF is really not cool, and makes me not want to do business with them. On the other hand, this is the internet and you have to take everything you hear and be very critical, so I do feel everyone should make their own assessments, but appreciate people sharing good and bad circumstances.

Im glad you didnt just assume Im a troll, Im not a bad person but was made out to look like one when I brought these issues to light. Thanks for understanding and Everything that you just said above is %100 correct, I have no reason to lie

 

[nccole]

I have zero issue with heather chiming in to mention the defective lockbar on that dude's sebenza that NEEDS to be replaced like crk already stated. He chose to leave out the defective lockbar that needed to be replaced part out in his sale thread and glossed it over with "it has very minor vertical play that nobody would notice."

This is going to a he said she said thing, and he noted the play and said the knife was from a trade he did. It is against forum rules to interfere with anyone's sale thread here on BF. So, if she had a problem with, she should have handled it with him privately, or bring it to a moderator's attention and since a mod has the for sale thread back open all is fine with the rules. He also did not say nobody would notice he mentioned it. Again, I do not know the guy, and maybe he trying to pull a fast one, but his feedback is good, and that is all I can go off, but she broke forum rules, that is plain and simple and a representative of a company should not represent her company in such a manner. It looks really bad.

 

[sh00ter01]

I have zero issue with heather chiming in to mention the defective lockbar on that dude's sebenza that NEEDS to be replaced like crk already stated. He chose to leave out the defective lockbar that needed to be replaced part out in his sale thread and glossed it over with "it has very minor vertical play that nobody would notice."

Lol, I followed everything very closely pertaining to wolf delema with his S30V Sebbie. I saw the pic of the flaked heat treat, there didn't appear to be any deformation. And besides, the lock bar was good enough that when he sent it in they just re-heat treated it. If it was damaged and deformed needing replacement do you really think they'd let it back out the door or even waste the time re-heat treating the lock face. No, I think not. He said there was a little vertical play, never claimed bank vault tight. Heather way over stepped her bound by posting in his 'For Sale' thread (I actually laughed when I saw it, couldn't believe a company's rep would troll someones thread).

From the information presented here, he had a legitimate gripe and voiced it; things went south from there as we all know and I have to say it sheds new light on the malice that CRK can sometimes exhibit towards individuals in the knife community.

-sh00ter

 

[JNewell]

On the other hand, this is the internet and you have to take everything you hear and be very critical, so I do feel everyone should make their own assessments

Whatever else here is true, that ^^^ is right on the money.

 

[Professor]

Out of curiosity Wolf and Darth, what were the birth dates of your Seb's? You probably mentioned it earlier, but I'm just trying to wrangle in all this info. I believe in this company and their product, but hey, maybe it was a bad batch?


Prof.

 

[wolf5391]

Out of curiosity Wolf and Darth, what were the birth dates of your Seb's? You probably mentioned it earlier, but I'm just trying to wrangle in all this info. I believe in this company and their product, but hey, maybe it was a bad batch?


Prof.

no problem Prof, the dates on my scales are "c 08"

 

[김원진]

wolf, didn't you say in a past thread you bought the seb used. I may be mixing you up, but if not, you've dodged the question in 2-3 threads

 

[Usagee]

wolf, didn't you say in a past thread you bought the seb used. I may be mixing you up, but if not, you've dodged the question in 2-3 threads

He mentioned that it was used in another thread.

This one was bought used yes. But Ive talked to the previous owner who I trust and the knife wasnt abused. Just used for edc tasks.

Believe me there is not signs of abuse, the knife just had lock face heat treatment flaking (It wasnt deformed just looks like the heat treatment flaked off Thats it) There were no marks on the old stop pin or on the blade which would be due to high impact. Also Knowing the way a lock functions, the lock face wouldnt take the damage of a wrist flick the stop pin and sleeve would.

Either way the knife wasnt damaged due to abuse but regular wear and tear of edc work. The knife should be covered under warranty and I should not have to buy a new lock bar slab thats $130. Part of the reason I payed the extra money for CRKs was knowing that I had a rock solid warranty behind me if the knife ever broke or needed fixing, but now that I needed warranty work, they are not fixing the issue

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...K-Warranty-Experience?p=10729259#post10729259

 

[sh00ter01]

wolf, didn't you say in a past thread you bought the seb used. I may be mixing you up, but if not, you've dodged the question in 2-3 threads

He might have you on ignore, who knows.

Anyways, yeah he said he bought it used, but if you want to get into the 'only warrantied to the original owner, non-transferable' crap then Chris has another topic he needs to address as he regularly does warranty work on knives bought on the secondary market.

-sh00ter

 

[Tripton]

He might have you on ignore, who knows.

Anyways, yeah he said he bought it used, but if you want to get into the 'only warrantied to the original owner, non-transferable' crap then Chris has another topic he needs to address as he regularly does warranty work on knives bought on the secondary market.

-sh00ter

Perhaps he wanted to delve into the "doesn't have a damned idea what the hell happened to the knife before he got it" "crap".


For all he knows, it could have been used to stab refrigerators, or it could have been duct taped to a broom stick and used to drive nails with the spine of the blade.

And the pictures of the flaking area, suck.