A Spyderco Pikal?

I believe we have a pattern that is very close. Maybe one or two more mock-ups.

I need clip input. We've drawn a variety of clips, up, down, left, right, stamped & wire, different sizes.

Though I realize that for many, the design will never leave the showcase, but my desire would not be to create a "showcase queen", so "looks" are not as important as function.

My current leaning is for a tip up wire clip as used on the Dodo and Spyderfly.

1. It's smaller and less noticable.
2. Offers simple left and right capability.
3. Can be coated if black is the ticket.
4. Can be replaced by the "deep pocket" version designed for the UK knife if deep pocket is desired.
5. Is more user friendly on furniture and cars.
6. Has more "give" when stressed.

Hey APBT, the inertia opening is more dependent on the lock type than the clip location. The spring on our Lock-backs make them more difficult to inertia open, but they also hold the knife closed more securely. It's always a trade-off.

On locks;

We could use a lock-back, bring the scales up to flush and create a "pocket" to push the locking bar down into for release. This would make it very difficult to accidentally unlock in a "squeeze". (alleviating Joe's concerns). But would not be my first option as it make inertia more difficult.

A compression lock would fit, but the backside scale shape would have to be carefully shaped for maximum security.

A linerlock would fit. Strength might be an issue without making it thicker. Like the compression lock, the release area would have to be minimal.

I think my first choice would be a small ball bearing like the Dodo. It's very smooth, impossible to squeeze into unlocking and very reliable, but I don't know if we can fit it in without compromising the pattern.

I think either of our two new locks would work, but the locks are still in development and would slow down the project.

Need clip argument at this time ;)

sal
 
Hi Sal,
Thanks again for letting us be part of this process. Clip options?

I go for tip up, (clip on lanyard end of handle) something as deep in pocket as the Endura (current version) so as to allow the end of the handle to be firmly grasped between thumb and forfinger for a sure grip upon drawing...

I'm not sure on the design you've been working out wih S'Narc, and input from Ray, but I'd like to see either inertia opening or preferably some type of easy reverse grip opening method?? Open with the Spydie hole, and then turn the knife to the reverse - edge in position, taking valuable time.

Actual clip look? - matte black, as above I like the flexibility of the Endura stylie clips, so you can swap easily between right & Southpaw - use tip-up option. Handle from G10 right?

Cheers,
Nathan
 
If wireclip is the direction. I recommend a blackcoat. Black snapclip type things as mentioned before are commonplace on pockets and around the waist area in almost any environment nowadays, pager, cellphone, mp3player, etc.

Maybe if the cost won't change by a buck or so, you can include the deep-carry clip with the standard installed clip? Even in this country, the wide variety of people and daily environments each individual buyer is exposed to begs to have options 'included'. I may work in an environment where anything more than a low-profile carry would rain down on me a hellstorm of trouble from policy-police, but a guy working the loading docks in the same building can walk around with a fixed blade on the belt without a comment ever made, much less a thin black clipped folder(if it even looks like one).
What I'm asking for is 'Both'.

Ball lock sounds solid, I like the one on my Dodo, bias to stay closed even
when partially open, but very smooth(for me) to open.

Thanks for asking,
Ken
 
I like both the wire clip and the ball bearing lock on the Dodo, so I think they should work fine on the new Pikal folder.
 
A wire clip sounds good to me. It would be nice to have the deep carry one included as well. The ball-bearing lock would probably be excellent as well.
 
Not just pertinent to the pikal folder but any others with the wire clip (or any other clip with a bit more design) I have an idea for a deep carry clip.

On the wire clip models what if a clip was made that went on the opposite side of the knife and came right up over the butt of the knife and then down the other side? Seems like it would be ideal for deep pocket carry. It would also allow a retrofit to existing ambi-clipped knives.

What do any of you all think?
 
A very exciting idea being developed here.One only has to look at the poularity of the Ronin and Yojimbo as Pikal/Pakal users to know this could be something revolutionary, as the Kerambit was touted to be!
The only thing that occured to me to suggest ,and may not be possible,is positioning the Spyderhole so that if the "end user" wishs to mod it with the "Tsunami" conversion so many are doing it would be simple and fast to accomplish with just a file or Dremel tool?Like lowering the area of blade before the swell of the hole and making the metal at that part of the hole a little thinner to the front? It would mean that the user ,if they wanted to, could spend a few minutes filing and sanding and end up with a Talon like folder waveable to a reverse grip edge in?
I don't know how this stands patent wise but spydies are being modded this way regardless, so why not plan for that mod being done at the design stage?
 
Hi Sal,
Yep a matte black, low-profile wire clip, mounted for tip up carry are the ticket.

I'm not sure what the design that Ray & S'Narc are coming up with - so this may already be covered. Just putting my 2c :)

Cheers,
Nathan.
 
Guys I don't think that Spyderco is going to position the hole specifically for end-user modification. It may not be patent infringement, but it's close enough that I dare say that Spyderco is not going to touch that one, especially considering that Ernie and Sal are friends. Besides, I'm sure that an industrious end-user can make just about any knife do anything, without tacit, factory assistance.
 
Hey Sal,
I must say that a heap of thanks must go your way for your dedication to bringing forth tools to even as specialized an audience as the martial arts devoted. It's great to see that you are developing designs through different stages of prepping for the prototype, and hopefully into a full production piece soon.
The Pikal folder (or Pickle Knife), will be along the lines of other Spyderco martial arts based blades - The Kerambit, Gunting, the Chinook's, trainers for the Endura & Delica, the Civilian and Matriach, the SpyderFly (I know not really martial dedicated - but hey!! :D) the list goes on. These knives are all dedicated to specialized fields, and you and the Spydie Team bringing quality Spyderco blades to market to suit these specializations is greatly appreciated.

I must I'm very excited at the very real possibility of finally having a Spyderco dedicated to ‘Pikal’ reverse-edge in grip. I remember brining my collection of blades to training with Ray one day, and we worked out that about 3 out of 15 blades suited our training methodology. He then picked up my favourite Endura (I have a few of course) and said “This would be great for what we do, if you turned the handle around!” and here we are!!

Hi SouthNarc and Ray,
Again thanks for the design ideas, dedication and input to Sal on this project. This is another example of you guys constantly pushing the envelope of what can be achieved. If the FFS Survival Knife, Disciple and the (still in design/dev phase??) Bayou Backup are anything to go by, this Spydie will be excellent for its intended purposes!
I completely agree on the potential patent issues. It’s simply just not worth risking the development of this knife, and more importantly risking both legal issues and personal relationships. In the end whoever buys this little blade can do whatever they please to it, but we want to get to that stage first. Regardless of this I'm sure that due to the intended purpose of this blade, the design of it will allow for extremely swift opening.

I’m really looking forward to seeing the progress of this blade!

Cheers,
Nathan.
 
Sal-

This is a great thread, and I look forward to pics. One thing, please make sure this knife has a reversible clip. It galls me to no end how many otherwise cool higher end production knives are not just user unfiendly, but downright user hostile for lefthanders. In fact, that's my biggest complaint about the old Kershaw Talon.

As far as the quality level goes, I say go all out, up there with the Gunting. If I'm going to trust my life to a piece of equipment, it should be as bomb-proof as possible. Overbuild it in terms of strength, at least to MBC standards. Sure quality and strength will elevate the cost, but I'm worth it. Like Clint Smith says, "Only your life depends on it." I also like the idea of nice neutral gray G10 scales, and full hardened steel liners (not nested), and a compression lock. I also want a trainer, and am more than willing to put something down up front to ensure production, if the final design is as appealing as the concept (considering the final product might not be as as envisioned).

That said, I look forward to seeing the preliminary design.

-Bo Smith
 
Interesting reading, ...its called development online! :)

what this ..black G-10, S30V, ball bearing lock, wire clip (black! and reversible) would be niceEeE! :D

Something like this : simply cut&stab&throw&hit in one ... :p

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Actually, Simona, I like your design, with a few mods. Probably pretty different than what is being worked on right now, but looks pretty good, none the less.

I would do a couple things though. I'd leave the handle flatter. Drop the point more. And make it a full flat grind. That would be the best for your design, I would think.
 
one2gofst said:
Actually, Simona, I like your design, with a few mods. Probably pretty different than what is being worked on right now, but looks pretty good, none the less.

I would do a couple things though. I'd leave the handle flatter. Drop the point more. And make it a full flat grind. That would be the best for your design, I would think.

Not design, I made fast pic only ;), for imagination only, its all ...
 
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