A Spyderco Pikal?

I will just say that if it is made, I'd prefer a Gunting/Chinook/ATR level of quality. For what it's meant for and what it should be capable of doing it won't be cheap (relatively speaking... all Spydercos from the bottom to the top of the line perform as well as other knives that cost twice as much).

If it's really popular, maybe a less expensive (but not cheap) version could be considered. Kinda like the Matriarch and the Civilian.
 
Spykal? Sal, count me in for at least two of them. One in my pocket and the second one in my car (just in case I've left the first one home). SouthNarc, you know I like all kind of Pikal blades... :cool:
 
SouthNarc said:
Oh I feel confident that it'll have the same level of quality as the models you mention DMW.
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I just realized what I said could be minscontrued. Southnarc knew what I meant. But to clarify:

Sypderco = Quality no matter what price range they build it to but there's an "Endura" level of quality and a "Gunting" level of quality if that makes any sense. Like entry level and top of the line. For instance if we compared two of Spyderco's little knives I'd classify the Dragonfly as entry level and the Dodo as top of the line. They're both excellent but no one can't say the Dodo isn't an overall better and more expensive package.
 
This is the first I have looked at Pakal. I see a lot of talk about edge in or out. Edge in seems preferred for the hook and shear but prevents forward edge thrusts. How would a double-edge knife fair in this style? It would be hard to make a folder with two edges, though, that wouldn't cut while closed so that question would better suit a fixed blade.
 
Spydieman said:
This is the first I have looked at Pakal. I see a lot of talk about edge in or out. Edge in seems preferred for the hook and shear but prevents forward edge thrusts. How would a double-edge knife fair in this style? It would be hard to make a folder with two edges, though, that wouldn't cut while closed so that question would better suit a fixed blade.
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Spydie,

Sorry if I'm being dense, but what do you mean by "prevents forward edge thrusts"? Pakal is primarily a thrusting grip, hook-and-shear being more of a reaction to opponent's defense rather than a primary strategy, at least as taught by the instructors I've seen. Edge-in is great for thrusting ... maybe I'm thinking of a different kind of thrust than you are? Or maybe you mean slashes or blocking with the outer edge? If so, I worry a tad about purposely loading the lock up like that, even with a good reliable MBC lock.

BTW, I'd love a double-edged pakal folder, but between the legal issues in most jurisdictions, and the problems of protecting the top edge in the closed position, I'm not holding my breath :)


Joe
 
Spydie when we (Shivworks) were developing the Disciple fixed blade, we decided single edge was the way to go to maximize the number of people who could actually carry the knife. There are double edged knives that will work in Pikal, but we wanted a dedicated tool, for this purpose specifically.
The same applies to the folding version.


Take Care
Trace Rinaldi
www.thrblades.com
www.shivworks.com
 
Not to hark back to the clip talk again but I was talking to some local pakal guys and all of them around here (including myself) seem to think that tip down is an option that would be very nice to have. (tip down in left pocket your left thumb can get great purchase on the blade for inertial opening even before it leaves the pocket.) In fact the lack of good pakal folders with tip-down carry is what led my friends and I to look into fixed blades (I'm a huge fan of the Nealy 3 1/2" Pesh-Kabz!) Being ambidextrous it doesn't matter to me if the knife is or isn't ambi. as well.
Also, if the idea is to have the opening be inertial, shouldn't the lock type and steel thickness be considered in those regards as well? (i.e. to inertial open an Emerson CQC7 is much easier than an Endura)

Just my 0.02
Kevin
 
I definately understand the legal issues with double-edge and I think going single-edge is definately the way to go. I hadn't considered that when I posed my question.

Joe, I did mean the slashing/blocking with the back of the blade. Thanks for interpreting that.

I can't wait to see what Sal will come up with for a Spydie Pakal. :)
 
Thanx to Southnarc & Trace, we do have a design that does fold. It is based on the Disciple designed by them. Now the refinement process begins.

sal
 
So......I still don't understand. Are we talking about dill, kosher, maybe bread and butter?





Sorry..................off to my corner I go.
 
Wow, this is coming together fast! Another example of how Spyderco is a people friendly cutlery company.

Can't wait to see what you've come up with Sal. :)
 
Thanx for the kind words. I must mention that after the design is complete, it will still take 6 months for production (if the weather be good).

Hi Rom. Interesting that you would mention that. our "In house" name is the "pickle knife" ;)

Officially it's a "draw knife".

sal
 
I think "Pickle Knife" would be a great official name, too. :D
Will you be offering it in dark-green G-10? ;)
 
The current plan is for G-10. Black is probably the easiest to test, etc.

Dark green would be a special color run of G-10 which makes an awful lot of knives. We wouldn't do that unless there were other models planned for the same color.

I guess this is as good a time as any to discuss color preferences.

sal
 
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