a thief among us

ok i looked up all my correspondance with him, click and pasted it to here. (aol saves the outgoing mail alot longer than incoming)


4/24/2006 8:42:45 A.M. Central Daylight Time

yep we got a deal..let me stop by the bank today



4/24/2006 4:19:27 P.M. Central Daylight Time

gave him my shipping info

i made it a cashiers check instead of a money order(bank was charging 4 bucks for the MO and check was free) if this is a problem pls email tonite. i will be mailing it in the morning


4/26/2006 7:00:20 P.M. Central Daylight Time

please email when you get the check and then any shipping info thx


4/27/2006 6:28:37 P.M. Central Daylight Time

no mail yet?


4/29/2006 8:40:17 A.M. Central Daylight Time

still waiting for a reply



4/30/2006 6:37:13 P.M. Central Daylight Time

so what did you go out of town ???what. please write back when you get all these..



5/12/2006 10:58:18 A.M. Central Daylight Time


you cashed the check on may 2. where are my f$cking knives. BF will be up in a few days and i will make sure everybody knows how you rip people off


here are the facts. i got not one response from him after the 24th. so if something was wrong the assumption would be that if he is sick or worse the check would not be cashed. it was made out directly to him. over a week went by and then the check was cashed. so all of you knights in shining armor that want to come to his rescue please do so and tell me about your hypothesis' on what happened now. you can see in the other post that i did ask about him and if he was a stand up guy. and i also said i hoped there was no family emergency. i am a reasonable guy but too many red flags are popping up on this to me.
 
I understand your frustration and anger. As for there being knights in shining armor; I don't think that is the case. I just don't think that anyone here wants to believe that a member in good standing has gone bad. (although it is completely possible).

As for the check, if he is incapacitated, ill, dead, etc. maybe his wife deposited it. That's why I suggested that you zaba him to get his phone # to find out.

I truly hope that you either receive your knives or your refund as soon as possible.

Good Luck Tony
 
SIFU1A said:
lotsa folks dont even have paypal, i dont have it and dont want it myself. if there are problems i dont know how well paypal stands behing ya.
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I have used paypal quite a bit, Only once have I been semi scammed. I say semi because I did finally get my money back. and it was a sizeable amount. However, I do believe the seller got hooked by a friend using his ebay account. Or so he said. So whether the seller was honest about it or Paypal interviened enough to make it happen, I am not really sure. But the process seemed easy enough to do. But always a pain to have to deal with.
 
No one on here is bad mouthing you Tony. Crit is a member here, people that have done business with him in the past are coming to his defense, and hoping that he is okay, and that he didn't screw you over. We're in the corner for both of you.
 
well i got the copy of the returned check. unfortunately i couldn't read the numbers after it was faxed over. still havent heard a peep from him
 
well good news. he finally got in touch with me.

I didn't rip you off, nor did I ever intend to. Yes, I recieved the check and as I clearly stated in my post, I ship after payment is recieved. When it's a check you have to wait until it clears for obvious reasons. During the time after I got the check, but before it cleared I got a call and had to leave town suddenly. One could argue that I should have just let my girlfriend ship them while I was gone, but at the same time, I wouldn't want a BF member's woman sending me my knives when she's new to shipping and knives.
I came back to almost a dozen emails from people I know from BF telling me that some guy is calling me a fraud, and while a few of them are vouching for me I still need to come to the forums and clear things up. Well, I can't log in... so apperintly I've been banned and that's out of the question. Whether I've been banned for this transaction or not, you completed your side so I'll complete mine.

Is the shipping address still the same?
Have a nice day.

one it was a cashiers check and two i would have gotten in touch with with the buyer(me) before i went out of town. regardless he got back to me, so if any moderators can help him gget logged in pls do so. i will definetly post up when i get the knives and my apologies for my lil tantrum, but i think many of us would have done the same.
 
Crit, you have not been banned. Email me cougar.javanet@rcn.com and tell me exactly what happens when you try to log on. If you tell me "I get an error message" and don't tell me what error message I'm going to ignore it (no, you're not that stoopid. Half the people who need support around here are, though....)
 
tonydahose said:
. . . .my apologies for my lil tantrum, but i think many of us would have done the same.
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You don't own anyone an apology.

While it looks as if this will work out, it's BS that Crit failed to ship immediately when he received the cashiers check. Cashier's checks are issued by a financial institution on its own account, specifically names the payee, and is the same as cash since it's guaranteed by the issuing financial institution.

As far as his failure to communicate with tonydahose. . . :jerkit: I don't think that Crit is part of the "secret squirrel" society that bounces out of town on a moments notice and is unable to communicate with the outside world, due to security reasons.


Screw worrying about logging into BFC. . . . .ship the man his shit ! :jerkit:
 
I deal with out-of-state and in-state cashiers check on a daily basis, through three banks and one credit union. Never a hold !

Again, they are drawn by a bank on its own funds. They CANNOT "bounce" or BE RETURNED for insufficient funds!

There's a thing called "The Expedited Funds Availability Act," which was impletmented by Regulation CC (12 CFR 229). All banks and financial institutions must adhere to Regulation CC.

I've heard of financial institutions placing a hold on cashier’s checks. . . .but no longer than the next business day after the day of the deposit to see if it's a counterfeit cashier’s check.


If YOUR bank is telling you something different, you're dealing with retards!
 
tonydahose said:
well it has been a full month since i mailed the check. no knives as of yet.
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That's a shame, considering he made contact with you on or about the 19th.

Has he contacted you since the 19th (i.e., telling you that he has shipped what he owes you)?

Depending on where you live, in relation to Crit, shipping (i.e., using USPS Priority) can generally take three to five days.

If he hasn't made contact with you since the 19th. . . .that's BS !
 
GigOne said:
I deal with out-of-state and in-state cashiers check on a daily basis, through three banks and one credit union. Never a hold !

Again, they are drawn by a bank on its own funds. They CANNOT "bounce" or BE RETURNED for insufficient funds!

There's a thing called "The Expedited Funds Availability Act," which was impletmented by Regulation CC (12 CFR 229). All banks and financial institutions must adhere to Regulation CC.

I've heard of financial institutions placing a hold on cashier’s checks. . . .but no longer than the next business day after the day of the deposit to see if it's a counterfeit cashier’s check.


If YOUR bank is telling you something different, you're dealing with retards!
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GigOne is right - as a banker I can say that a cashier's check is "supposed" to be guaranteed by the issuing bank under Reg CC. It cannot be returned due to NSF or "stop payment", BUT if it is a fake check to begin with, it can and will be returned. The problem with that is WHO eats the loss? Generally, the bank that accepted the check for deposit without verifying it's authenticity is the one who gets stuck with the bill. If the person that deposited the check has any $$ in his account, the bank will grab it, but usually the bank gets stuck with a goose egg.

A hold CAN be placed on the check if there is a suspicion of fraud, counterfeit, etc., but once it has been verified that it is legitimate, funds technically can't be held any longer.

Anymore, it is getting to be a real touchy subject due to the high rate of fraud and the advanced abilities of counterfeiters.

Also, a hold can be placed on a cashiers check for very specific reasons outside of Reg CC such as an extremely large check being deposited into a brand new account, suspicion of "kiting" by the depositor, unusually high number of NSF checks written by the depositor historically, etc. etc. In other words, the hold is being placed due to suspicious depositor activity, not necessarily because of the check itself.

There are a few gray areas, but generally speaking, if you receive a cashiers check and it has been verified that the check was indeed issued by the issuing bank, the check should be honored.

It's too bad that a whole month has gone by without the guy getting his knives! I've bought knives off of several folks here on BF and have never been ripped off - knock on wood.
 
The length of time that this has dragged on does seem ridiculous. Crit has been on this forum in the last few days, I wonder why he didn't make an appearance here?
 
Keith Montgomery said:
The length of time that this has dragged on does seem ridiculous. Crit has been on this forum in the last few days, I wonder why he didn't make an appearance here?
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He seemed soooo determined. . . . . .last week. . . . .on the 19th . . .


tonydahose said:
. . .to come to the forums and clear things up.
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Evidently, Cougar or someone walked him through the process of logging on. . . .cuz he was here: Last Activity: 05-20-2006 04:19 PM.


Me thinks Crit is full of ka-ka ! :D
 
GigOne said:
Me thinks Crit is full of ka-ka ! :D
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If only there was a word like ka-ka that rhymed with Crit ! :D

Seriously, when one part neglects to inform the other on progress it always looks like fraud. Crit, get your arse in here! You got some splaining to do! :mad:
 
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