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I'm not "hatin'" but good gravy... is this dude writing a textbook on how NOT to run a small business?I'm honestly asking, because I'm completely flummoxed by this whole thing.
Especially in this field, long waiting periods, delays, poor communications and unfulfilled promises are almost completely UNHEARD of. ;) Free market, if buyers don't like the tradeoffs a manufacturer presents them with then there's no demand. Survive! has got more demand than they can handle, so t seems that a lot of folks want more emphasis, and more of their money, spent on what makes a knife work as a tool rather than as a fetish object. They're up-front about what aspects of the knife they spend effort and the customer's money on on and what they don't. If you want a knife that doubles as an item of jewelry there's not exactly a shortage of those- do they ALL have to be like that? It seems quite a number of us don't care greatly about that aspect.
 
My 4.1 in 20CV with black micarta, ordered on Xmas Day (Xmas Eve USA Time) has been shipped... well, usps have received the electronic info anyway.
Similar. Mine was ordered on 12/26. At the time they said they'd all ship before 1/17. Did I really believe that? No. I also volunteered to have my order put behind any active military.. I'm sure they ignored that, too much tracking, but obviously I didn't have cause to squawk if it took longer. Received 2/13, so well under two months. I don't want to minimize the problems of those who have been waiting a year or more for some pre-orders, but ordering a product that you know doesn't exist yet at a heavy discount really IS different.. and I bought Randalls, Loveless and Morans back in the day when waiting periods were three years or more. Supply and demand just works that way.
 
Well, clearly that bodes very well for little details like fulfilling back orders. Because moving the whole company could not possibly disrupt service on orders that are already way behind.

I'm obviously, really missing something here, as far as this company's plan goes.

Let's see...

Take a bunch of money up front and routinely postpone delivery... flood a comparatively tiny repeat market with new models and options/upgrades and t-shirts that may or may not exist... farm almost everything out so there's nearly zero likelihood of making a serious profit... build a reputation based to a large degree on substandard F'n'F (sorry folks, rough machine marks are not a selling point... I have no idea how people have managed to convince themselves that bad grinds and sloppy profiles are a good thing), while "competing" at a price-point with companies that already have a sturdy foothold in the market by way of making - and actually providing -knives with clearly higher craftsmanship for decades...

Not to mention absolutely dismal communication by way of a website that is sort of updated now and then, and FaceBook updates, and sometimes an email to folks that hammered cash into this endeavor months ago...

And the whole time, conveniently ignore the biggest knife forum on the planet while loyal customers plead for info on the knives they've already paid for or are begging to buy... wow.

And now pack up the whole mess and move somewhere else? Seriously?

I really have to ask again, if anyone took that business plan to a banker, would they give out a loan to go do it?

I'm not "hatin'" but good gravy... is this dude writing a textbook on how NOT to run a small business?

I'm honestly asking, because I'm completely flummoxed by this whole thing.

James, I wish that I could argue just one of your points, but I cannot. Well I guess I can argue that all of the grinds on my example knives are just fine. The reason I jumped in with both feet regarding Survive is that as a fellow Pennsylvanian I wanted to support him. He had a good story, and I wanted to help him succeed. I guess this motivation is now gone. I now have every Survive knife that I have ordered. I have no further desire to order another.
 
James, I wish that I could argue just one of your points, but I cannot. Well I guess I can argue that all of the grinds on my example knives are just fine. The reason I jumped in with both feet regarding Survive is that as a fellow Pennsylvanian I wanted to support him. He had a good story, and I wanted to help him succeed. I guess this motivation is now gone. I now have every Survive knife that I have ordered. I have no further desire to order another.

After I receive my 3.5 my transactions with Survive! will more than likely be done as well... my patience that was given in the early days of this company has long since dried up. Another missed deadline? Check. No attempt to keep your customers informed on when they will receive their knife? Check. Guy still can not be bothered to answer concerns on BFs... Check.
I still kills me that people are comparing wait times to Randall and other high-end customs. This is a production model and Guy could be (if he had his you-know-what together) giving much more accurate time-frames. Most of the time at least, I know some things can be out of his control, but not every single time... I love my GSOs for what they are, hard working knives. These are neither pretty or particularly great buys, just a solid knife at an fair price point. I doubt I am the only one a bit surprised that Survive! is packing up shop and moving while still so far behind on customer's orders.
 
I'm still waiting on my 3.5. I ordered it, IIRC, last September. I've been told, by email, that delivery (this time) will be late this month. Hey, Guy, I'm NOT getting any younger. Moving before you send out these old pre-orders? Better not, unless you want your rep to plummet with your customers...
Sonnydaze
 
Nice! Thanks for sharing. Nice little family you have there. Don't you love the wood tinder he packs with? I have all of mine packaged into small Ziploc bags. I probably have more than I will use in a lifetime. It would have been cheaper to source this directly and purchase it, even if I had to purchase in bulk. But it would not have been nearly as much fun. If I ever run out, I guess I'll have to buy another GSO.
Hmmm.. back in the day, that was a very common packing material known as "excelsior", though I don't know why it was called that. I was shocked me when I opened the box, I hadn't seen the stuff since the '60s at least. It was basically floor sweepings from woodworking shops of various kinds, came in all sorts of consistencies, was "recycled" and "ecologically sound" LONG before anyone thought in those terms, before plastic became the cheapest substance per ounce on the planet. "Tinder" didn't cross my mind, and maybe that is the intent now, but it was a "blast from the past". Just like in the old days, opening any box or crate pretty automatically meant sweeping after...
 
Hmmm.. back in the day, that was a very common packing material known as "excelsior", though I don't know why it was called that. I was shocked me when I opened the box, I hadn't seen the stuff since the '60s at least. It was basically floor sweepings from woodworking shops of various kinds, came in all sorts of consistencies, was "recycled" and "ecologically sound" LONG before anyone thought in those terms, before plastic became the cheapest substance per ounce on the planet. "Tinder" didn't cross my mind, and maybe that is the intent now, but it was a "blast from the past". Just like in the old days, opening any box or crate pretty automatically meant sweeping after...

"FRAGILE, it must be Italian."
 
I'm still waiting on my GSO3.5 and NeckerII. After that I'm probably done as well from the simple fact that I have 8 of his knives already. On the positive Survive Knives has introduced me to other makers through BFs. I have order pending from JK, busse custom shop, and the scrapyard, plus a few others makers I'm eying once I have more funds.
 
I'm still waiting on my preordered GSO 10...

That is crazy... I'd be extremely pi$$ed off if I were you, and rightfully so. Have you tried to get in touch with them to find out what is going on? I've never had good luck reaching them but others have.
 
Is this based on personal experience, James? I was considering a GSO knife, but now I might reconsider.

My knowledge is based only on what I've read here and in other discussions. I have neither ordered nor personally examined a GSO to date.
 
Nothing on the necker, but apparently the 3.5s should be out soon. Who knows?
 
I'm dying to read some reviews on the 3.5 but apparently the orders will never be filled.

I have a 3.5 and necker 2 on order also. However long they take to get here, I don't think Guy is the type of person to bail on us, especially with our money in hand. As far as fit and finish, all of the models I've taken delivery of so far have been very good with finely finished, very sharp edges. Mike
 
If I ever get my pre-orders I paid my hard earned money for I will probably trade them. I just don't agree with the way this whole thing has went.
 
I've only had my 4.1 for a few days, so I'm allowed to change my mind. It's in the forum by-laws, you can look it up.

I'm going to reverse myself here. I keep looking at this knife, holding in my hand, turning it over, feeling the form and balance, checking details, then reading the complaints, then looking at the knife again...

I think you all should stay completely away from this company. Don't order, don't consider it, cancel your existing orders if you can. Leave these terrible tooling marks and horrible grinds to those foolish enough not to let it bother them (especially if they can't really notice the glaring "defects" without a lens), those foolish enough not to care even a LITTLE whether a banker would approve the company's business plan, foolish enough not to care greatly which of the United States they're being made in, foolish enough not to be personally offended by the very THOUGHT that some folks who ordered products that didn't exist yet at a steep discount ended up waiting quite a while in some cases.

I mean, sorry, but from everything I've seen so far this is a very nice knife indeed, as was the one other that I've held, and for some incomprehensible reason in SPITE of all those excellent reasons not to buy demand is still such that there just aren't nearly enough to go around... so...

Be offended. Be very offended. I'll help... I'm, um, OUTRAGED that it took, let's see, more than three weeks longer than was originally projected to receive mine, and I tell you right now, I have little doubt that after the next three or four it will be a LONG time indeed before I buy another one from this company. I'm DEEPLY troubled that a company selling goods faster than they can make them might not feel the need of the sage advice of bankers about it, Hell, if they don't need to borrow money they might not even HAVE a business plan for others to judge. Where would we be if more companies didn't go into debt to people who don't know anything about their business, if the people who started and built companies just made their own decisions about running them, I ask you? And how DARE they try to succeed without seeking OUR advice on this forum? Especially those who can pronounce judgement on the knives without having seen one, how can you possibly be more unbiased than that? A young company making their share of mistakes but still managing to make money hand over fist needs our advice to dwell on the mistakes properly.

Not only that, but I think they OUGHT to be made in my native state of Oklahoma, I'm VERY disappointed that they're not, and I'll be even MORE offended if they're moving but not going where I feel strongly that they should. Oh, and you know what else? When I ordered mine the only option for the handle screw finish was "tumbled", and these are BLACK! I think they owe me an apology and an immediate refund for that so I can buy another, maybe a slightly different model, with the RIGHT screws! The nerve.

All of you with any sense of propriety at all should just walk away, right now, before they open their order books again, and feel very good about yourselves for doing it, too. Leave these knives to those fools who don't have their priorities straight about what makes a good knife purchase. If I can help reinforce your morale on that point just let me know, happy to oblige.
 
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