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Am I Out Of Line Here?
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So where is this other party to this story anyway. I'd like to hear him tell his story of weaseling out of paying you $1.75. When he asked if the light was in "like new" condition AFTER he paid, you should have told him that it was in horrible condition, but "a deal is a deal" lol.
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Seen his name in other controversy threads he knows what he's doing shady shady
Ask the price you want which takes into account any paypal fees and shipping. If you want to net $50, but it'll cost you $10 in paypal fees and priority mail, then sell it for "$60 shipped priority mail, paypal preferred", or "$60 shipped priority mail, paypal only", or "$60 shipped priority mail".
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Thank You OP for explaining this and now off to my ignore list.
$1.75 I spill more than that.
$1.75 I spill more than that.
I have been a member here for 14.5 years and have sold well over 350 knives on the forum
My feed-back is flawless with no neutrals or negatives
I think net to me, 3% for pay pal, or pay pal gift is a load of crap
People that try to skirt the system deserve what they get
List the knife for the selling price and call it a day
Life is complicated enough, why try to incorporate it into your sales thread
When I see net to me, 3% for pay pal, or pay pal gift I move on
My feed-back is flawless with no neutrals or negatives
I think net to me, 3% for pay pal, or pay pal gift is a load of crap
People that try to skirt the system deserve what they get
List the knife for the selling price and call it a day
Life is complicated enough, why try to incorporate it into your sales thread
When I see net to me, 3% for pay pal, or pay pal gift I move on
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Rock on, I agree completely.
I know I've said this before a few times, but never got a reasonable answer.
PP fees are ~ 2.9% and I think .30??
Then why the hell do we see add 4%, 4.5%........I've seen up to 7% for goods??
Saw a knife I was really into for sale couple months ago. That clad PM2. Guy wanted $450 + 5% and it wasn't in great shape......scratches on blade.
How does a seller justify that garbage??
Sorry if this was brought up before, but it irks the snot out of me.
I have bought around 25 knives here and every one had a total price.....no fees or I move on. Never had even a small issue with anyone.
Joe
PP fees are ~ 2.9% and I think .30??
Then why the hell do we see add 4%, 4.5%........I've seen up to 7% for goods??
Saw a knife I was really into for sale couple months ago. That clad PM2. Guy wanted $450 + 5% and it wasn't in great shape......scratches on blade.
How does a seller justify that garbage??
Sorry if this was brought up before, but it irks the snot out of me.
I have bought around 25 knives here and every one had a total price.....no fees or I move on. Never had even a small issue with anyone.
Joe
^ :thumbup: Tenured member like Rick: member here since 2002, 2,201 posts, 350 sterling transactions, speaks ^"WISDOM!"^ Rick, is one of the BF's member's whom I have the utmost respect for, & a person that I truly look up to. :thumbup:
This quote by the Rickster, IMO, would be the perfect spot to place a period, on this never ending discussion........
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Usually those %'s would be very high, But on very low priced items the % certainly can go above 3% due to the $.30 being a larger portion of the sale. Also foreign sellers have a much higher rate. In general though you are totally correct - it is higher than needed to pay PP. For what I have sold it usually lands something around 3% give or take some change.
I have never had any problem with getting those sellers to take the correct fees. IMO 90%+ of those that use net to me, price+ % are just copying ads they have seen and there is no real plan or thought to it. It is just like those that say CONUS only-a few mean that but most just saw it in someone's ad and really mean US sales(presuming they take shells and seal skins, and can get through the language bearer
) .Another IMO-99.99% have never read the PP agreement. After all many have never read the rules of this forum and they are in plain English, not legalese.
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Believe it or not both parties benefit.
Then why do you accept paypal gift payments?
And here it is. He doesn't like paypal so it is okay to screw them over. You agreed to the terms, follow the rules. The irony is you are complaining about a buyer who you think changed the terms of a sale yet you yourself do the same thing to paypal.
The fees are the buyers responsibility but it's an un-enforceable rule there's nothing to stop someone from upping the price of an item 3% for any other reason handling fees time it takes to go to the post office etc... When ever I sell something I make it an all in one price I don't ask for the buyer to cover the fees I look at what I'm selling I decide how much I want for it I add the expense of shipping and I post a final TYD price. I don't think it was right for him to sneak out of paying what you were asking but I don't think it's right for a seller to ask buyers to pay the fees. If you don't want to pay for the service use a different service.
Wow, this was more of a read than I expected. But then again, anytime emotions are brought into a transaction, it's going to draw out all the knife knuts (myself included).
So, who is who, what belongs to whom, obligation, expectation. The simple fact is that the pp fee belongs to the seller to bare, but has a little protection for both parties (slightly bias towards the buyer). Just like credit cards.
It would be so easy to post an all-in price for PP/CC (say $105) if that's what you use prominently. Or offer a discount for wire/ach/check/postal MO ($100) etc. And maybe not try to steal services from the company of whom we want to protect us. I personally have only asked for f&f once, because it was an international transaction, and I simply did not know all the caveats to watch for. But still feel bad about pp not getting their fee.
I don't like paying fees any more than the next guy, but for those that may not know, pp does offer many levels of protection and pre-sale info available to the seller. Not only are they playing the money escrow service of sorts, but also go beyond to verify individual accounts. The seller may only choose to ship to PayPal verified accounts. This comes at a cost to them allowing their customers to know this is not just a brand new account that is not somehow tied to some other banking institution. They also offer a "Confirmed" address service. Yet another level of protection. They also offer to their customers (both buyers and sellers) a confirmed cell phone and email address info. None of that information benefit comes free. PayPal markets hard to collect that data to benefit all involved.
At my place of employment we require PayPal payments to be only from "Verified" accounts, and ship only to "Confirmed" addresses. We use the "Verified" contact info to communicate with our client and confirm details of the transaction. And gladly pay the 3%fee for the opportunity. This also happens to be the approximate percentage that credit card clearinghouse's charge us for similar services.
So sellers, if you use PayPal, use it right, buyers, if you are not happy with the price after fee added in, communicate. As others have said, there are other options out there. Just use them fairly and be honest in your dealings.
People are Strange, When You're a Stranger....
So, who is who, what belongs to whom, obligation, expectation. The simple fact is that the pp fee belongs to the seller to bare, but has a little protection for both parties (slightly bias towards the buyer). Just like credit cards.
It would be so easy to post an all-in price for PP/CC (say $105) if that's what you use prominently. Or offer a discount for wire/ach/check/postal MO ($100) etc. And maybe not try to steal services from the company of whom we want to protect us. I personally have only asked for f&f once, because it was an international transaction, and I simply did not know all the caveats to watch for. But still feel bad about pp not getting their fee.
I don't like paying fees any more than the next guy, but for those that may not know, pp does offer many levels of protection and pre-sale info available to the seller. Not only are they playing the money escrow service of sorts, but also go beyond to verify individual accounts. The seller may only choose to ship to PayPal verified accounts. This comes at a cost to them allowing their customers to know this is not just a brand new account that is not somehow tied to some other banking institution. They also offer a "Confirmed" address service. Yet another level of protection. They also offer to their customers (both buyers and sellers) a confirmed cell phone and email address info. None of that information benefit comes free. PayPal markets hard to collect that data to benefit all involved.
At my place of employment we require PayPal payments to be only from "Verified" accounts, and ship only to "Confirmed" addresses. We use the "Verified" contact info to communicate with our client and confirm details of the transaction. And gladly pay the 3%fee for the opportunity. This also happens to be the approximate percentage that credit card clearinghouse's charge us for similar services.
So sellers, if you use PayPal, use it right, buyers, if you are not happy with the price after fee added in, communicate. As others have said, there are other options out there. Just use them fairly and be honest in your dealings.
People are Strange, When You're a Stranger....
Its best not to go the net route in the first place. Base your final price on all costs to include shipping, fees, and such and you'll encounter less hassle and it won't be so complicated in the first place.
You wrote if off initially and shipped it, you should have stuck to your plan. Besides by that point it was too late anyways. Heck your only talking $1.75 n the first place.
You failed to checkout the buyer before accepting his money. Nobody wants to conduct business with a problematic seller or buyer. So why didn't you research this guy from the get go?
You may not be crazy, but you certainly could have taken steps to prevent a lot of the problems your having wth this deal from the get go.
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PayPal thinks the fees are the seller's responsibility 100%:
"Goods and services Purchase payments:
Theres no fee to use PayPal to purchase goods or services. However, if you receive money for goods or services (such as from selling an item on eBay), the fee for each transaction is 2.9% plus $0.30 USD of the amount you receive."
It's the sellers responsibility. But like you said it's also the sellers prerogative to include whatever fees he or she wishes in the final price. I've never once heard of PayPal contacting the buyer and charging them a percentage of the invoice after payment has been made, or adding an additional fee to the price the seller requests.
From all the forums and internet sales I've seen, it seems to me that asking for "net" or adding "3+% or f/f" is a more common practice than just asking for an 'all-in' price. Even on BF if you go to the sales forums it seems fairly common for members here to price their items in that way. But this kind of selling is common everywhere. If I go to the store and buy something, there are taxes added on at the register. If I buy something online, there are shipping fees and taxes added on at check-out. Hardly anything is listed as an 'all-in' price.
That being said, I certainly see the simplicity of asking for an 'all-in' price, up front, in the threads. This saves the buyer some hassle in having to calculate fees. It also potentially saves the seller some time in negotiation of said fees. But I'm not sure the practice of asking the buyer to add additional funds for fees is ever going to change. Just my $.02
That being said, I certainly see the simplicity of asking for an 'all-in' price, up front, in the threads. This saves the buyer some hassle in having to calculate fees. It also potentially saves the seller some time in negotiation of said fees. But I'm not sure the practice of asking the buyer to add additional funds for fees is ever going to change. Just my $.02
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At the register when you buy something do you whip out your calculator and add up the taxes and chip in the extra money after you figure them out? Or does the clerk tell you a TOTAL?
Or how about when you purchase something online, do you figure out anything? Or does the check out page have a TOTAL price that includes everything (taxes and shipping) and a button to confirm the order?
So exactly how much figuring out did you do in any of the examples you gave?
Or how about when you purchase something online, do you figure out anything? Or does the check out page have a TOTAL price that includes everything (taxes and shipping) and a button to confirm the order?
So exactly how much figuring out did you do in any of the examples you gave?
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