Another counterfeit warning. Watch out for ZT0801 Serial# 0546

What is more scary is having only one visual evidence (the fonts) as proof that it is a fake...
 
bld522 said:
This isn't the first counterfeit that's practically indistinguishable from the original and it won't be the last. The only way to be sure you're not buying a counterfeit is to purchase knives from authorized, well-respected dealers . . . preferably those that have established relationships with BF. The bad guys may be out there, but the good guys are out there too.
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:thumbup: better safe than sorry, especially when it comes to your hard earned money.
 
craytab said:
I've seen this happen with large retailers (big river site and cabelas, literally spotted a fake PM2 that was a return at the knife counter) but I have not heard of it from a dedicated knife shop like those that support BFC. It doesn't mean it cant happen but I would say it is the situation where you are most unlikely to get a fake.
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That post about the fake PM2s at cabelas came to my mind too.
 
SURVIVAL&WEAPONS said:
That post about the fake PM2s at cabelas came to my mind too.
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There's always the chance of unscrupulous returns, but I'd take that chance any day with an authorized dealer vs. the much higher risk of a fake on something like eBay.
 
man that fake 0801 is pretty impressive! Only thing I could see that was off was that the titanium handle color was to bright. The real thing is a good bit darker. Whoever is faking these have access to high tech 3D CNC machines etc and are making massive profit off of them. Luckily I only buy my ZTs from Kershawguy and New Graham Knives
 
Honestly i dont find anything about it impressive. I am not against clones. Hell i own a few. But if you have the machinery and an in hand example of exactly what you are trying to replicate its not a feat of engineering pumping them out. as for the color i cant say for sure given photos can be misleading.
 
reminded me of this story:

"An art dealer once went to Pablo Picasso and said, "I have a bunch of 'Picasso' canvasses that I was thinking of buying. Would you look them over and tell me which are real and which are forgeries?" Picasso obligingly began sorting the paintings into two piles. Then, as the Great Man added one particular picture to the fake pile, the dealer cried, "Wait a minute, Pablo. That's no forgery. I was visiting you the weekend you painted it." Picasso replied imperturbably, "No matter. I can fake a Picasso as well as any thief in Europe."
 
Just to be a devil's advocate here but why are we judging a knife based on one tiny little flaw that a CNC machine might have made on a bad factory day? (After all, Kershaw does let out blems off the floor so who knows what they would let out with such tiny little flaws)

What other flaws or obvious signs does this counterfeit knife have that declares it a fake?
 
LadyEarth said:
Just to be a devil's advocate here but why are we judging a knife based on one tiny little flaw that a CNC machine might have made on a bad factory day? (After all, Kershaw does let out blems off the floor so who knows what they would let out with such tiny little flaws)

What other flaws or obvious signs does this counterfeit knife have that declares it a fake?
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We arent judging it based on a flaw. Its being judged for being a fake and the flaws are being discussed to educate would be buyers. The fact that i posted this thread topic after seeing the knife on a website that ONLY sells fakes and the pictures are from that website leaves no other possibility. And yes they are using pictures of the fake. Not a real one. And since they go for less than $70 its not going to be real at that price.
 
PURPLEDC said:
We arent judging it based on a flaw. Its being judged for being a fake and the flaws are being discussed to educate would be buyers. The fact that i posted this thread topic after seeing the knife on a website that ONLY sells fakes and the pictures are from that website leaves no other possibility. And yes they are using pictures of the fake. Not a real one. And since they go for less than $70 its not going to be real at that price.
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You missed my point.
What other evidences can we rely on in order to SPOT the counterfeits out in the wild? The only thing I've seen in this thread is one single evidence, a tiny little font differences that can easily be contributed to CNC machines having a bad day.

What other evidences can we use without going onto the internet to find out, is all I am asking.
 
Knock offs really piss me off.

My uncle worked his whole adult life for a small american company that made complex turbine engine parts for a large american company. These turbine engines are found in the most common household-name brands of construction machinery and drilling equipment.

At some point in the early 2000s, my uncle's company decided to upgrade their CNC machinery. They had a bidding process. Part of that process included running off some sample parts on each machine, to see what the tolerances were on the parts produced by each competitor's CNC machines.

A short time later, a new company started manufacturing turbine parts that were physically interchangeable with the ones my uncle's company subcontracted for the turbine company. Apparently what happened is that the CAD files that one of the CNC companies had gained access to while the test parts were being run, had been sold to the highest bidder. Thus knockoff turbine engine parts were born. When the turbine company found out about this they were furious since wear and tear replacement parts are a big part of their business. My uncle's company was sued into the ground by the turbine company for "letting" their proprietary CAD designs get out into the wild.
 
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LadyEarth said:
You missed my point.
What other evidences can we rely on in order to SPOT the counterfeits out in the wild? The only thing I've seen in this thread is one single evidence, a tiny little font differences that can easily be contributed to CNC machines having a bad day.

What other evidences can we use without going onto the internet to find out, is all I am asking.
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Apologies. I thought you were questoning if it was in fact a counterfeit, again i apologize. The bad news is i have no idea. The 0801 lacks 3d machining and as far as i know had a goal to reach a price point. As such i have to assume its a simpler design to replicate with accuracy because of that. Quite the double edged sword. I thought given the lower price point that china wouldnt bother. So yeah i dont see many ways to spot the differences as they very well may all be hidden in the materials. But if you get a 0801 on he chep and the blade has slop in the closed position its a good sign. Thats the most common defect in chinese clones. But again with such a simple design differences will be more difficult to spot unless in hand.
 
LadyEarth said:
What other evidences can we use without going onto the internet to find out, is all I am asking.
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Whatever evidences may exist today, don't count on them being there tomorrow.

Repeat after me . . .

The only way to be sure you're not buying a counterfeit is to purchase knives from authorized, well-respected dealers . . . preferably those that have established relationships with BF.

This isn't rocket science. If you don't want to worry, don't do anything you'll need to worry about.
 
I just reported an eBay seller hawking a counterfeit Higo as the real thing. I feel like ebay doesn't care.
 
They care, all right. They care about their bottom line. Keep in mind that the bad guys pay eBay same as the good guys do. So every time eBay cracks down on a bad guy, they crack down on their own profitability. Maybe that's why they're not in a big hurry to call out the counterfeit cops every time someone such as yourself cries foul. Now, throw in the fact that if someone buys a knife off of eBay and they end up with a counterfeit, they have no one to blame but themselves and the biggest problem may be the one staring back at them in the mirror.
 
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bld522 said:
Whatever evidences may exist today, don't count on them being there tomorrow.

Repeat after me . . .

The only way to be sure you're not buying a counterfeit is to purchase knives from authorized, well-respected dealers . . . preferably those that have established relationships with BF.

This isn't rocket science. If you don't want to worry, don't do anything you'll need to worry about.
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That is precisely the concern.

Suppose someone buys a ZT 0801 from Kershaw guy and decided to not want it anymore within a day or so and uses the return policy. Kershaw guy gets it back unused not knowing that the guy switched out a fake because "Whatever evidences may exist today, don't count on them being there tomorrow." Then I, whom has been interested in having a ZT 0801 for a while now, orders it and Kershaw guy sends me that very knife that got switched and he wasn't able to spot the fake. Now I'm an owner of the fake and none the wiser that I have a fake.

You might think it isn't rocket science but we still get duped despite our best effort and Kershaw guy's excellent reputation. Now you see the problem. ;)
 
Thank you very much for posting this very helpful information, regarding ZT 801 counterfeits. This thread, potentially saved me a very big headache.

EDITED: This thread DID, save me a big headache. I just received a refund, via PayPal, because of one of these remarkable fake.

THANK YOU!!! :thumbup:
 
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