Another counterfeit warning. Watch out for ZT0801 Serial# 0546

Setting aside whatever illegality and immorality of manufacturing and selling a fake, the economics tell me there's a hefty profit in the knife business that's drawing in all these fakes and selling them at a price point way below even considering the US labor rate involved with the real ones. Unfortunately, I don't see what the real manufacturers can do; I don't think they can lower their price points to make fakes uneconomical and still survive themselves.

I suppose it's the equivalent of women buying fake name brand purses. The price point alone tells them it's the not the real thing but they see how well it mimics the real thing and they see value in it.
 
while ebay is getting mentioned a lot, aliexpress is where these are all being openly sold. if you look on that site, you will see many different brands of knives being copied. spyderco seems to be the ones most copied, you will see fakes of almost all of their knives on that site, and they have been making fake zts for some time now.
 
The Counterfeiters are getting so good it's almost impossible to tell. A friend who collects coins just got burned on a Carson city Silver dollar. He bought it from a reputable coin dealer only to discover it was a Counterfeit from China. To the less than super expert, you simply cannot tell the difference between real and fake.

Knives are even worse!!!
 
Worst of all, the dealer lets a knife return get past him and you have to try and convince him he inadvertently sold you a fake. I can see that going over well... It is harder being the educated, than the unknowing, in matters like these. I hope they have fake reference guides handy on every return. I know I would if I wanted to keep my store out of conflicts like these. If not then maybe somebody should come out with a annual guide with email updates to give the honest buyer and seller a fighting chance.

Just a thought and maybe a budding business.

But Then again I wouldn't listen to anybody who uses there full name as a username on any forum.

Could somebody help me out with this and tell me how I can correct this stupidity?

All The Best
George Melnikoff
 
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steelhead seeker said:
Yeah because all Americans are honest . What a dumb coment. Theres bad and good people from every country. Just because some Chinese people steal designs and clone knives doesnt mean they all do.
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Have you ever heard of an American knife manufacturer producing counterfeit Chinese knives? Who do you think is making these clones a jarbenza factory? These guys are shady as they come.
 
Sosa said:
Have you ever heard of an American knife manufacturer producing counterfeit Chinese knives? Who do you think is making these clones a jarbenza factory? These guys are shady as they come.
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Maybe not in china but there are american makers who have ripped each other off. We dont need to name the names of the american makers who have stolen designs. But it has happened and it continues to happen. When a comment is made "another reason not to buy chinese" it ignores the fact that Kai themselves do business in china. is china the biggest player in that market? sure are. But if everyone stopped buying chinese goods in an instant it would hurt americans just as much.
 
Eyyy guys, If you know better, would you say this is real or no.

The handle coating feels identical, handle engraving is spot on.

However, blade coating is thinner, swedge grind is a tad different, font is different and the clip is different also.

Feels, deploys and weighs the correct way too. 2000 serials apart, would they change that much in between ?

http://imgur.com/a/vi105
 
Blackbalsam said:
Eyyy guys, If you know better, would you say this is real or no.

The handle coating feels identical, handle engraving is spot on.

However, blade coating is thinner, swedge grind is a tad different, font is different and the clip is different also.

Feels, deploys and weighs the correct way too. 2000 serials apart, would they change that much in between ?

http://imgur.com/a/vi105
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Could be a clone. The flipper tab is different. Font is different. Detent hole in different spot. Yea I'm not sure if they changed all that.
 
Serial numbers only 218 apart, not 2,000.

Defintely something wrong there...

Blackbalsam said:
Eyyy guys, If you know better, would you say this is real or no.

The handle coating feels identical, handle engraving is spot on.

However, blade coating is thinner, swedge grind is a tad different, font is different and the clip is different also.

Feels, deploys and weighs the correct way too. 2000 serials apart, would they change that much in between ?

http://imgur.com/a/vi105
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Blackbalsam said:
Eyyy guys, If you know better, would you say this is real or no.

The handle coating feels identical, handle engraving is spot on.

However, blade coating is thinner, swedge grind is a tad different, font is different and the clip is different also.

Feels, deploys and weighs the correct way too. 2000 serials apart, would they change that much in between ?

http://imgur.com/a/vi105
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^ I personally couldn't tell from looking at your picture, whether yours is fake or not.

What I can tell you is this: the counterfeit ZT 801 knife that I purchased, was so close in appearance to the original ZT 801, that I'll never buy another. They (the counterfeits), are that good!
 
I had no idea how fast these pop up. I tried the quick search method mentioned earlier in the thread, and the first knife that came up was a ZT0095. Only it was not blackwashed, had sterile blade other than the blade steel that they claimed as D2.

Then a couple more down, there was a supposed 562CF. Had all the markings, logo, SN, etc for the M390 version. But they claimed the blade was 9cr18Mov of all things. I don't get it. If you are going to go so far out of your way to counterfeit right down the fine blade printing, why then advertise the blade as a much lesser 9cr?

Other models were advertised as being actual Elmax. Uh huh.
 
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