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Any chance of a Camillus megafolder?

Discussion in 'Camillus Collector's Forum' started by Jim March, Jan 25, 1999.

  1. amacks

    amacks Gold Member Gold Member

    658
    Oct 13, 1998
    As for a name, I would suggest something in Akkadian, just because I want to see cuniaform on a knife:
    kakkum rabum--big knife
    harranum arkum--long march [​IMG] (lit. long road)

    Just ask and I'll provide the signs. You can market these towards Assryiologists( a vastly under-rated market)
    Aaron

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  2. prigger

    prigger

    233
    Jan 18, 1999
    Phil,
    An ambidextrous thumb stud big enough to use while wearing gloves, G-10 scales are good-so is fiber-reinforced-nylon,CPM 420 please, no carry rig or pocket clip,50/50 or plain w/ a choice, clip point bowie w/ some belly
    (ie:Military) couldn't be wrong. You make 'em like that, and I'll buy two, one as test article for my program I'm at, and one for myself. Don't forget the massive lock also.
    PR

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  3. Phil Gibbs

    Phil Gibbs Cutlery Student Platinum Member

    Nov 11, 1998
    No stopping this thread (or project) now!

    Any of you going to be at the Blade Show in June? I am going to try to have first prototypes ready by then & I would really like the opportunity to show them to you guys so we can refine them.

    Thanks again to you all for your suggestions & support.
     
  4. Yekim

    Yekim

    813
    Nov 4, 1998
    WOOHOO!!!!!!!!!

    Now we do the dance of joy!


    YeK
     
  5. MM

    MM

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    Nov 22, 1998
    I'm getting in here late. Don't know how I missed this thread before. As a Californian I love mega folders and would be first in line too buy one if Camilus makes it. A really big, utilitarian tactical folder would be great. My CS VG is not a very practical knife. I haven’t tried sharpening it yet but I know it’ll be a drag with the recurve blade and those crazy serrations. Something simpler would be great.

    If it’s not too late here’s my answers to the questions posed.
    1. Would you guys prefer this "Big Honkin' Folder" to have CUDA button or opening disc/stud? (No, you can't have both!)
    I like a disc so the knife can be opened ambidextrously.

    2. G10 for handle? Any other suggestions?
    G10 is good.

    3. Kydex carry rig? Still need a pocket clip?
    On a mega folder I would like a Kydex carry rig. I don’t mind if its sold as an accessory. If its an accessory I’d like it to incorporate multi-carry options, such as horizontal, vertical, upsidedown, shoulder. If it has a clip, make it removable.

    4. ATS-34 for blade? Prefer CPM?
    Since I don’t have any CPM knives yet I would love it to be CPM.

    5. Plain edge, 50/50 or full serrations?
    Not full! That would be a deal breaker for me, I wouldn’t buy it. 50/50 is too much. 80/20 is better. Actually, plain edge is just fine for me.

    6. Choose ONE blade shape!
    Since I would like this to be a using knife rather than a pure fighter I would prefer a clip point or a spearpoint. A bit of false edge is okay especially on the spearpoint. Drop point is okay. I don’t like tantos on a using knife.

    Also, I would prefer it not be a liner lock. Some sort of rolling lock would be great. A lockback would be fine.


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  6. nifrand

    nifrand Custom Knife Forum Mod

    Feb 25, 1999
    1]disc
    2]g-10
    3]kydex
    4]ats34
    5]plain
    6]spearpoint like the cuda
     
  7. KenN

    KenN

    354
    Jan 26, 1999
    Phil,

    That's great news! I hope you can get some images of the protos up on the forums before the show.
    It's been said that mega's are slow movers, but when presented just right, (I believe)they *will* move.
    I hope that the mega proto's you and any other companies may be displaying will do well.
    For all non-CS mega's that get produced, I'll surely buy at least one of each just for the sake of variety.

    Thanks,
    Ken
     
  8. MM

    MM

    682
    Nov 22, 1998
    For a name how about the "BFM" for "BladeForums Megafolder". I also thought of "BFK" for "Big Freakin' Knife" but I like the first one better. Gotta love those TLAs (Three Letter Acronyms).

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    MM


     
  9. Spark

    Spark HPIC - Hatas gonna Hate Staff Member Administrator Super Mod Moderator

    Oct 2, 1998
    Actually, how about the BF-MF? BladeForums MegaFolder. Or Big Freaking Mother F******.... [​IMG]

    Spark

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  10. Jim March

    Jim March KnifeMaker / Craftsman / Service Provider Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Oct 7, 1998
    Phil, any idea what lockwork is being thought of?

    That's the KEY thing, I think - a regular linerlock just ain't gonna cut it and if you try with one, it'll be a failure. You *could* do a strong lockback, it'd be "functional but clunky" like the CSVG is now.

    You can do better. Hell, the old Blackie Collins Bolt-action as found on the old Gerber Parabellum (arguably the "first megafolder") would work, it's a lot like the BM Axis lock...and it's LONG out of patent.

    Figure something out, guys, we're all REAL encouraged by the possibilities. 5.45" would be GREAT.

    Jim March
     
  11. Will Fennell

    Will Fennell

    Oct 4, 1998
    Jim,
    The Collins Bolt Action is one of my favorite locks also, but its still under patent protection. I think its got about 4 years left. Its one kewl lock, and easy to produce too, but not availible yet.

    Will Fennell/EDI Knives
     
  12. Phil Squire

    Phil Squire

    145
    Jan 6, 1999
    Zapped double post.

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  13. Phil Squire

    Phil Squire

    145
    Jan 6, 1999
    I'm gonna go with MM, and Prigger on the blade steel being CPM420V. Not for anything,but isn't Crucible located in of all places Camillus,NY?

    Maybe Camillus should look into featuring some of CPM's fine steels. Just think of the savings in shipping costs alone. [​IMG]

    But the lock is important. Is the Axis available for license? What other locks are suitable for folders with heavier than average blades?

    Might want a little bigger tolerance cushion than 5 hundreds(5.45") owing to manufacturing tolerances possibly running afoul of the TX law.

    Stay safe and all the best, Phil <---<
     
  14. Jim March

    Jim March KnifeMaker / Craftsman / Service Provider Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Oct 7, 1998
    Hmmm...interesting, Will, I coulda sworn I first handled a Parabellum at around age 14 or so...and I'm almost 34. Was the Para one of the first Bolt Actions?

    So OK. Let's think a sec. The Axis was licensed from William Henry, a small semi-custom shop doing VERY high end "gent's folder" pieces. Probably exclusive license to BM, and for sure BM couldn't sublicense. Possible you could deal with WH.

    Somehow Microtech, BM's Pinnacle and a Columbia River model are all using the "Sebenza Integral Lock" which in my opinion COULD power a megafolder as long as it was understood by the users that proper grip is part of what reinforces the lock. That means written, detailed instructions. See, with a megafolder you're gonna have so much grip length going on that someone could "choke way up on it" with the hand several inches from the pivot, and at that point you're at linerlock strength levels. Not terrible but..not great for combat. Although "choking up" on a fighter (in a fight) would be extremely stupid. People who chop with a Cold Steel Vaquero Grande (for utility use) DO use the technique.

    So you might do some digging on the patent status and whether or not the copies of the Chris Reeve lock are actually legal.

    Other possibles: nobody's actually using the bolt-action right now, so it might be available for peanuts. Worth thinking about...what the heck is Blackie Collins even doing these days?

    Microtech might license the linerbar. They seem totally uninterested in doing megafolders, they might let you have it *only* for big pieces or something. For pictures, commentary and such see also:
    http://www.bladeforums.com/ubb/Forum12/HTML/000088.html

    There's a crazy design I came up with a while ago for my so-far-hypothetical folding Katana project: Set up the tang of the blade so that it's "long" by about an inch or so, and has a second hole in it. As the blade swings into battery you hit a switch and drive a pin into the second hole. STRONG as hell, but unfortunately it means that closed, it's an inch longer than it otherwise might be. It might be possible to drop that to only 1/2" longer...but strength goes down a bit. I know, it's nuts...it's the only thing strong enough for a 20" Black Wind Katana converted to "ohmygodfolder", at at that point the "excess tang length" would need to be around 4", mebbe more. Totally sick and twisted. I'll build it eventually.

    Back to the world of the sane [​IMG] you could also license the REKAT Rolling Lock like Spyderco's done.

    Another option: do a seriously upswept "Persian style" tip sorta like the new Cold Steel Scimitar but MORE radical, and go with a GOOD linerlock. On a straight-thrust stab it'll drive the force up onto the spine stop and away from the linerlock, rendering it "combat capable" despite a weak lock. This is NOT a terrible option, if you do it RIGHT you could still end up with a heluva good knife that way.

    There's a crazy lock you could think of as a "double linerlock" - TWO linerlocks just like what you've got that "meet in the middle". The only way you could unlock such an oddity is with a special thumb-ring with a protrusion designed to be slipped in between and unlock both liners at once. Weird, I know, but VERY strong. Probably too nuts.

    There's always the lockback variant whereby the lock release is at the FRONT, right on top of the pivot. You push something like an ambi thumbstud "upwards" to unlock; that same thumbstud could have a flattened area on top so that in the Saber grip your thumb reinforces the lock in "Sebenzaish" fashion.

    What else...I'm rackin' my poor brain here trying to think of every weird lock I've ever heard of. Between the Axis, Rolling and Bolt Actions, the BA will probably prove the cheapest to license. Might be expensive to produce though...but...if you do it with CNC processes in aluminum, maybe not so bad. Gerber gave up on the bolt action due to manufacturing costs but...production techniques may have improved to where it's feasible again. It's at least as good as the Axis if not better.

    Jim March
     
  15. amacks

    amacks Gold Member Gold Member

    658
    Oct 13, 1998
    I like the double liner-lock idea(guess why [​IMG] ). Instead of the ring unlock, what about a lever which slides a small piece of steel from the inside of the handle bewteen the two liners...
    Aaron

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  16. Hi Phil.
    Seem's like you have your work cut out for you, Blade Show is not that far away.
    How about a V6 backpack weedeater included in your new knife.

    Have a good one.
    Vince.
     
  17. gregj62

    gregj62

    418
    Oct 4, 1998
    Hey Phil when you get an idea of what it will look like how about post some sketches. I have not posted here in this thread yet because Yekim and Jim know much more about megafolder then me. I did like them or rather didn't even look at them intill the gunsite give away, I had to get one and now I am hooked on them.

    But I would like a clip on it. I will buy one.TIA [​IMG]

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  18. Phil Gibbs

    Phil Gibbs Cutlery Student Platinum Member

    Nov 11, 1998
    Jim,
    Thank you for your lock suggestions. I too have long admired the Bolt Action but I believe it is currently being produced by Myerco. I am going to atempt to solve the lock strength issue with a new approach (patent). This may unfortunately slow the process down slightly as Patent application MUST be filed prior to openly showing the design. However if you guys come to the blade show I will be glad to share it with BladeForum members only.
     
  19. Phil Gibbs

    Phil Gibbs Cutlery Student Platinum Member

    Nov 11, 1998
    Vince,

    You are right, the Blade Show is creeping up fast!!
    I may have to abandon the V6 as exhaust heat shield is too heavy! [​IMG]
    Have you solved the problem of installing 5hp compressor in SpyderWrench for air ratchet?
    Have you had any success editng instruction manual down to 3 volumes yet? [​IMG]

    Best wishes, see you in June.
    Phil

     
  20. Yekim

    Yekim

    813
    Nov 4, 1998
    THat is truly great news to hear Phil,

    It is also nice to see that you had a good comeback for the Spyderco camp.

    Could you give us just a little hint of what the spec's might be? Will it be possible for BF Members to get first crack at purchasing the new design? Will hold up to my special brand of abuse?

    YeK
     

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