Any response to this? S35VN Related...

[DallasSTB]

Glad I clicked back into this thread, for a moment I thought it was going to go south as I saw a bunch of XXXX edits, but curiosity got the best of me this morning and now I find myself VERY interested in the outcome of this situation.

Agreed, this is an informative thread and has thankfully stayed on the high ground. Mostly. Sal chiming in with his experience and wisdom certainly enriches all of us. Thank you, sir and I'm going to steal this quote as my new signature line

The edge is a wondrous thing - Sal Glesser

 

[Ankerson]

Agreed, this is an informative thread and has thankfully stayed on the high ground. Mostly. Sal chiming in with his experience and wisdom certainly enriches all of us. Thank you. I'm going to steal this quote as my new signature line

The edge is a wondrous thing - Sal Glesser

Yep Sal Glesser is a 1st class stand up guy. :thumbup:

 

[cheeseychung]

Felt the need to comment on this one. I got a s35 insigne right before all these threads questioning 35 started. And just yesterday I was cutting some ribbon for my xmas the and didn't realize it had a wire running through it. Well I was yanking hard and when I hit the wire I thought about all the complaints and thought for sure there'd be something. Well low and behold the steel was fine and had actually cut through 2 of 3 separate wires. All in all it performed exceptionally and I won't be holding back any time soon

 

[senfinger]

CR nice to see you here sir!:thumbup:

 

[Ankerson]

Felt the need to comment on this one. I got a s35 insigne right before all these threads questioning 35 started. And just yesterday I was cutting some ribbon for my xmas the and didn't realize it had a wire running through it. Well I was yanking hard and when I hit the wire I thought about all the complaints and thought for sure there'd be something. Well low and behold the steel was fine and had actually cut through 2 of 3 separate wires. All in all it performed exceptionally and I won't be holding back any time soon

I try not to cut metal with my knives, what I typically put them through is bad enough using them at work.

It does happen once in awhile by accident though and the results vary depending on the metal hit and the steel.

 

[BigBrad75]

I was using a zdp dragonfly as a screwdriver and chipped the **** out of its tip/edge... Not relevant at all, I know, just felt like chiming in.
This is a genuine case of a great steel being use in a stupid way...

(just to be clear, I'm talking about me, not you. your testing is for the greater good)

 

[Ankerson]

I was using a zdp dragonfly as a screwdriver and chipped the **** out of its tip/edge... Not relevant at all, I know, just felt like chiming in.
This is a genuine case of a great steel being use in a stupid way...

(just to be clear, I'm talking about me, not you. your testing is for the greater good)

Testing is what it is and sometimes things just don't go well or lets say as well as expected....

In those cases I generally contact the manufactor directly and let them know what happened, there was one time that I didn't and that didn't go well so we learn from our mistakes.

 

[marthinus]

Here is an interesting post on another forum:

Nobody -including Crucible - said that S35VN holds an edge as long as S30V.

They Said that is has more Toughness and holds an edge longer than CPM154.

They specifically said it does NOT have the same Edge Holding as S30V.

Test away gents - it appears you are proving Crucible Correct.

S35VN is far less likely to micro chip and it will ROLL before it Chips.

Again - You Seem to be proving them correct.

You might not want to hear about S30V being hard to sharpen but the Rest of us DO care about that.

A Super Steel knife that is Dull in the Field is just another thing to throw in the weeds.

The problem with S30V is that if you can't get it perfectly sharp - It is a Nightmare for MOST people.

Don't You tell ME about Diamond hones - they just compound the problem.

The introduction of S35VN was to specifically overcome the working - sharpening and chipping problems by having great edge holding and having it easier to sharpen for CUSTOMERS of the knife makers.

They never said S35VN held an edge longer than a properly sharpened S30v Blade. The problem is finding an average customer with a properly sharpened S30V blade.

Mike

Should we even compare S35VN to S30V? Or should we actually look into how it compares to CPM-154 or RWL-34?

 

[Ankerson]

Here is an interesting post on another forum:



Should we even compare S35VN to S30V? Or should we actually look into how it compares to CPM-154 or RWL-34?

Well we would really have to since S35VN is the steel slated to replace S30V, not really much choice there is there?

We can't compare it to a steel that isn't generally used in production knives.... CPM 154..... That wouldn't make any since at all since there isn't a data point to reference.

So what we have to do is do a direct comparison between S35VN and S30V in the knives that are avaiable from the manufactures.

 

[flipe8]

Thanks for posting, marthinus:thumbup:

 

[Chris Reeve Knives]

Thought you would like to know - Chris has just used his large Sebenza 21 to make 300 cuts on a 3 core orange extension cord. The knife is shaving sharp and sliced through paper three or four times.

Anne

 

[maxbelg]

Thanks Anne!
We have been waiting for a comment from CRK. Personally I thought this was a storm in a teacup AGAIN, with s30v suddenly being the reference point and performing admirably according to everybody, when it was criticized not so long ago. While I am in favor of steels that can cut all kind of things that I would never cut with my knife and stay sharp, I find it more important how quickly I can touch up an edge and that the edge does not chip. So what I am basically saying is that I realize there are always advantages and disadvantages to every steel and at the end of the day I trust Chris and team to choose a steel which has the most advantages for a user like me.

 

[jnug]

Mr. Marthinus,

I want to thank you for copying that post from Mike Steward (whoever he is) over here. That is a great post. In a sense it contained precisely the
information that I would want to see a manufacturer particularly one changing from one material to the next to provide. It briefly discusses the
differences between the two materials and then goes on to at least imply if not actually state a rational for a manufacturer to use S35NV even as currently configured by the bulk of the knife manufacturers using it.

I do think that while there is general information about these materials available, it would still make sense for knife manufacturers to post up
information like this because if properly written it should provide a direct relationship between the material, the blade and end products with that blade material.

I am going to present what is not going to be a great example here but I will use it for purposes of the discussion.I am also going to assume for
purposes of discussion that the information from Mike Steward is accurate:
Based on the information that Mike Steward provided, if a customer's specific application could be described as one where he had limited access
to the time and the equipment to edge his blade but had very good equipment and skills when he could get to them then he might find S30V more to his liking. Maybe a trooper in the field that must depend on his blade the entire time he is away from the barracks but once back has access to high calibre equipment and maybe even has a resource responsible for sharpening edged weapons would be such a customer. However guys for which the application is less dicy maybe because their lives are not at risk over extended and unspecific periods of time and because they can go ahead and sharpen using regular sharpening tools with regular skills might in fact find S35VN even in its current form better for their purposes.
The ability to get an edge back on a blade quickly might actually be an advantage even for users with critical applications. Their duty cycles may be shorter and they might even be fully able to sharpen their knives in the field whereas a trooper may not be able to drop his M-16 and sharpen his knife at the drop of a hat.

Again I apologize for what might be a poor example but the point is that not all steel is the same, and not all knife customers have the same
application. Heck I would even argue that the knife manufacturers posting up this sort of information in such a way that it correlates to specific
end products might lead to more knife sales because we as customers may well be encouraged to buy additional knives each optimized for a
particular application as well as buying knives that would appear to cover a wide variety of applications.

 

[cziv]

off topic post

 

[Ankerson]

Thought you would like to know - Chris has just used his large Sebenza 21 to make 300 cuts on a 3 core orange extension cord. The knife is shaving sharp and sliced through paper three or four times.

Anne

That is something I would just love to see happen....... On video and or with photos ect......

Of course he tested that edge in the same spot he was push cutting through that cord with right?

 

[Chris Reeve]

I carry a carbon fiber s35vn large 21 which I sharpen myself using the same equipment and techniques that my 2 sharpeners do, the knife was only made about 3 months ago.Jnug we do justify any change we make with our steels and did at the time but at this time we do not have anything about s35vn on our website this we will correct.

 

[steelnut]

That's Hot:thumbup:

 

[marthinus]

Mr. Marthinus,

I want to thank you for copying that post from Mike Steward (whoever he is) over here. That is a great post. In a sense it contained precisely the
information that I would want to see a manufacturer particularly one changing from one material to the next to provide. It briefly discusses the
differences between the two materials and then goes on to at least imply if not actually state a rational for a manufacturer to use S35NV even as currently configured by the bulk of the knife manufacturers using it.

I do think that while there is general information about these materials available, it would still make sense for knife manufacturers to post up
information like this because if properly written it should provide a direct relationship between the material, the blade and end products with that blade material.

I am going to present what is not going to be a great example here but I will use it for purposes of the discussion.I am also going to assume for
purposes of discussion that the information from Mike Steward is accurate:
Based on the information that Mike Steward provided, if a customer's specific application could be described as one where he had limited access
to the time and the equipment to edge his blade but had very good equipment and skills when he could get to them then he might find S30V more to his liking. Maybe a trooper in the field that must depend on his blade the entire time he is away from the barracks but once back has access to high calibre equipment and maybe even has a resource responsible for sharpening edged weapons would be such a customer. However guys for which the application is less dicy maybe because their lives are not at risk over extended and unspecific periods of time and because they can go ahead and sharpen using regular sharpening tools with regular skills might in fact find S35VN even in its current form better for their purposes.
The ability to get an edge back on a blade quickly might actually be an advantage even for users with critical applications. Their duty cycles may be shorter and they might even be fully able to sharpen their knives in the field whereas a trooper may not be able to drop his M-16 and sharpen his knife at the drop of a hat.

Again I apologize for what might be a poor example but the point is that not all steel is the same, and not all knife customers have the same
application. Heck I would even argue that the knife manufacturers posting up this sort of information in such a way that it correlates to specific
end products might lead to more knife sales because we as customers may well be encouraged to buy additional knives each optimized for a
particular application as well as buying knives that would appear to cover a wide variety of applications.

Glad I could have helped a bit. Mike Stewart is the man behind Bark River Knife and Tool.

On a side note, I realise you are still a new member and are already learning at a great speed something it took me years to learn: Everyone is entitled to their opinion and everything read on internet that is not part of scientific journal studies etc (that are scrutinised by fellow academics for accuray) should be taken with a grain of salt. What is said can guide you to form your own opinion.

 

[maxbelg]

I carry a carbon fiber s35vn large 21 which I sharpen myself ......

Thanks Chris! Didn't it make you cringe to cut extension cord with the Sebenza???

 

[flipe8]

Thanks Chris! Didn't it make you cringe to cut extension cord with the Sebenza???

Perhaps, but I would think he might be able to get a discount for a new one