Any Ti framlock fans interested in the ESEE Folder coming Dec2010??

Supra1988t said:
Bottle opener ruins it for me. Who seriously needs a bottle opener on their knife? The hex, glassbreaker and wire stripper are all nice touches but the bottle opener makes it look too mall ninja/cheesy.
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It could be used like on emerson knives, as a flipping device pulling out of your jeans...I like it, love the skull and the "bottle opener" can have multiple uses. Once I'm setup back in the US i will definately consider one of these over a sebenza I was looking into. :)

PS. offtopic on your name I have a 90 model Mkiii with a 2jz-gte under the hood. :D up for sale though.
 
Robert.B said:
It could be used like on emerson knives, as a flipping device pulling out of your jeans...I like it, love the skull and the "bottle opener" can have multiple uses. Once I'm setup back in the US i will definately consider one of these over a sebenza I was looking into. :)

PS. offtopic on your name I have a 90 model Mkiii with a 2jz-gte under the hood. :D up for sale though.
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1989 Supra traded it in at 177,000+ miles :D

That said. The beer drinkers think that's a cool feature on the blade spine and of course it "doubles" as a wave, and other uses? (not sure)

I hope so for you BF bros who are getting this knife. I always believed that when things are dedicated features like an Endura "wave" grind, it works really great. I wonder about multi-faceted features and their ability to do a plethora of jobs and do them all well. Good luck on this folder guys! My last $.02 :)
 
L.J.Tibbs said:
I don't imagine it would be enough of a stress riser to be detrimental to the strength of the knife. I think if anything were to give, surely it would be the pivot before the blade?
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I'm sure it'll be fine while cutting. Just the picky side of me is not at ease with that stress riser.

If it'll ever be a problem I expect it'll come from lateral loads, not vertical.
 
Joshua J. said:
I love the idea as much as anyone but that design needs some serious tweaking. As is the lock on that thing would be next to non functional.

The lock-bar needs to be in front of the pivot to work, not underneath. Of course moving the pivot back puts more leverage on the stop pin, so that would need to be beefed up.
My suggestion would be to double the studs as the blade stop (making sure to use a solid bar), and beef up the pivot to take the extra force from being so close to the stop pin.

Then make a 4" version and I'm in heaven.
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You cant just go and move the pivot without messing up closed position and there aren't much options how it can be closed, but I was well aware of all the mistakes you mentioned from the get go and they were all fixed quite some time ago. I significantly improved the framelock, thumb stud resting on the handle, 4 way clip...Its unfortunately still on the back burner, but once its out, it will not have any issues you pointed out.
 
I would expect ESEE and RYP to not allow this knife to exist if that "stress riser" was an actual issue. Those guys know what they are doing, they are going to beat the hell out of the proto's. They won't put out a half-*** knife, folding or not.
 
I would be really excited but the skull on the handle really bothers me..
I guess I might have to wait for the Izula folder, that one' s gonna be awesome:cool:
 
miro44 said:
I would be really excited but the skull on the handle really bothers me..
I guess I might have to wait for the Izula folder, that one' s gonna be awesome:cool:
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I just was checking Tomso out. Don't know who you are dude, Jeff praises you for making this happen. Are you a knifemaker, designer, what? You said the knife will be sterile in that thread as well with no logos, no skulls and more. Perhaps you can enlighten us plz? :)
 
There will be no skull on the handle for regular production mode. Only on mr.dp LE version.

As far as bottle opener, Its a thick blade. I dont know what you would have to do to brake the blade, but it wouldn't be cutting.
 
cziv said:
I just was checking Tomso out. Don't know who you are dude, Jeff praises you for making this happen. Are you a knifemaker, designer, what? You said the knife will be sterile in that thread as well with no logos, no skulls and more. Perhaps you can enlighten us plz? :)
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Me? i'm nobody:)
I helped Robert, Jeff and Mike on technical aspect for HEST folder and also did the renders. And i'm the one that did Izula folder design and renders. That's about it:)
 
Tomso said:
There will be no skull on the handle for regular production mode. Only on mr.dp LE version.

As far as bottle opener, Its a thick blade. I dont know what you would have to do to brake the blade, but it wouldn't be cutting.
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Thats good news, I wasn't too keen on Mr. DP logo, but it wasn't a dealbreaker for me. Its still a sweet knife.

Tomso..are you part of Dpx team in designing the knife?
 
Tomso said:
Me? i'm nobody:)
I helped Robert, Jeff and Mike on technical aspect for HEST folder and also did the renders. And i'm the one that did Izula folder design and renders. That's about it:)
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The Izula folder is a sweet design :thumbup::thumbup:

I'm really looking forward to that knife too :thumbup:
 
Thanks. I'm looking forward to it too. I think it will be a great folder...but i'm a bit biased :)
 
HKBM45 said:
US company having a foreign company make its product that it could easily have made here in the US.

How is it not outsourcing? Just because its not being made in China?
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This is not an ESEE product, it is a design by an individual (Canadian by birth) being produced by an Italian company. It also features a patented mechanism that is only going to be produced by that same Italian firm.
 
Tomso said:
Thanks. I'm looking forward to it too. I think it will be a great folder...but i'm a bit biased :)
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I agree, its a great looking little knife and I'm really excited about it. :thumbup:

I hope you guys get busy on it soon :D
 
Tomso said:
Me? i'm nobody:)
I helped Robert, Jeff and Mike on technical aspect for HEST folder and also did the renders. And i'm the one that did Izula folder design and renders. That's about it:)
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So when is this Izula folder going to be available?
 
Joshua J. said:
I love the idea as much as anyone but that design needs some serious tweaking. As is the lock on that thing would be next to non functional.

The lock-bar needs to be in front of the pivot to work, not underneath. Of course moving the pivot back puts more leverage on the stop pin, so that would need to be beefed up.
My suggestion would be to double the studs as the blade stop (making sure to use a solid bar), and beef up the pivot to take the extra force from being so close to the stop pin.
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I wanted to point this out too. I still think the design will be functional if the lock bar is beefy enough, but having the lock bar engage so close to the pivot means that a high moment will be generated if closing pressure is put on the blade. This increases the chance of lock failure and, more annoying on a day-to-day basis, increases vertical blade play since any flex in the lock bar will allow the blade to move off the blade stop. This isn't idle speculation, it is an observation from an otherwise beautiful custom knife that I own. Its also mechanics 101.

Tom N., the Izula is a gorgeous design aesthetically but you seriously may want to do some thinking and testing on this issue if you haven't already. Please feel free to send me a message if you want to talk about what I mean. A lot of the reason the XM-18 is so solid compared to other frame-lock folders is because the meaningful lock bar contact surface is well positioned and reasonably large, meaningful being the key word. I also second the notion to use the thumbstuds as blade stops. That is the other reason the XM-18 is so solid.

I'm not trying to take any shots at you Tom, or at anyone at ESEE; I know you guys know your business and I love your knives. I'm really excited about this folder though and would hate to see it fall short because of a slight design oversight. That all said, I'm sure I'll get one at first opportunity no matter what. :)
 
Thanks for appreciating izula folder design and for trying to help, I really do. But as I said couple of posts above, I know all along lock on that renders is kind of weak etc but that was done in two days I think and it is only a render. I redid the whole thing and fixed those issues long time ago in cad and Jeff has new drawings and renders. Wish I would knew when Izula is coming back on track, guys, but at the moment I think nobody including Jeff knows when that's going to happen. Esee has a lot of projects right now and unfortunately Izula F has to wait. But on the bright side, hest is one awesome knife if you ask me, which will be out in December. It really is solid thing.
 
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