Anybody else-sebenza dead horse.

I'm the one that bought the small Sebbie that took from April 3rd until July 1st to sell. I was glad to find it. It will be my second Sebenza. To each his own, I say. I own Benchmades, Spydercos, Microtechs, and several custom jobs. One of the customs has had to be returned twice for what I would think should have been evident to the maker as a problem. I'm sure all Sebenzas aren't perfect, but the one I have now feels really good to me. It's not cheap. I justify the expense by observing how often I use my knife on a daily basis. It's a lot. Having owned many nice knives, I'm just not satisfied with the mundane anymore, so it's worth it to me. After all, I'm not on the public dole. It's my money I'm spending. I'm sorry if some of you guys don't want to talk about Sebenzas.
 
Dijos said:
I hate to beat a dead horse, but I handled yet another sebenza today. This makes 5 or so. I cannot afford one; ok, I could, but my gf would probably throw me out. I just don't see what fit and finish everybody is raving about. It's nice, and quality and all that, but I don't see how it's better engineered than many knives that it is supposed to have it all over. Am I just not sophisticated enough to tell the difference? I have seen better openers, and certainly better closers than the Seb. I feel kind of dumb-They're like the holy grail of production knives, but i'm just missing it.

Does anybody else feel this way? I don't want this to turn into an explanantion of how and why the seb is so great-I believe you, but I'm actually looking to see if anybody else is underwhelmed by it.
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If the Sebenza doesn't do it for ya,I recommend handling the Benchmade 630 and/or 635 Skirmishes large and small framelocks.The one's I have are very impressive at a reasonable price point.
 
harpers ferry said:
Every day there a new members registering to this forum, so its not old news to them. You, on the other hand, have the option to skip over this thread if you don't like it.
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True, but there is a search function available to all. This should be explored first before getting involved in yet another "regurgitation" of the same old stuff. There is enough material on this topic to occupy anyone's time probably full-time for at least a month.

I have no problem with those seeking info/knowledge/input etc. That's what the forums are about. But PLEASE---use the search function. ;)
 
knifenerd said:
...before getting involved in yet another "regurgitation" of the same old stuff.
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By the same perspective the majority of the threads started in the general form should not be started, most of it is a rehash of already well discussed topics.

Since the older threads there are of course changes, in the knife itself, or new users or old users with new information because they have used the knives in question more, or used other knives.

Even well discussed topics can be informative, it is just up to the posters involved, you can make them constructive if you want.

-Cliff
 
Actually I think these sebenza threads have come pretty far, it's not too often anymore where there's name calling. More of we'll just have to agree to disagree kinda stuff.

I think though far more get converted "to" the sebenza rather then turned away from them. I'll have to go find last weeks (month's ) thread with all the link in it.

See post #32 in the following thread for extensive sebenza discussion.

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=348829&page=2

I think a sebenza FAQ should be a sticky at the top of the main discussion forum. :)
 
I can easily name a bunch which can match and exceed it in regards to :

-cutting ability
-edge retention
-lock strength/security
-handle ergonomics/security
-ease of sharpening
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Cliff, let's have your top 5 from this list. I'm genuinely curious.
 
Dijos said:
I hate to beat a dead horse, but I handled yet another sebenza today. This makes 5 or so. I cannot afford one; ok, I could, but my gf would probably throw me out. I just don't see what fit and finish everybody is raving about. It's nice, and quality and all that, but I don't see how it's better engineered than many knives that it is supposed to have it all over. Am I just not sophisticated enough to tell the difference? I have seen better openers, and certainly better closers than the Seb. I feel kind of dumb-They're like the holy grail of production knives, but i'm just missing it.

Does anybody else feel this way? I don't want this to turn into an explanantion of how and why the seb is so great-I believe you, but I'm actually looking to see if anybody else is underwhelmed by it.
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There is an ongoing Sebenza passaround.
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=342099
Watch for it to open, & you can use one for a week. Then you'll have a better feel for it.
 
knifenerd said:
True, but there is a search function available to all. This should be explored first before getting involved in yet another "regurgitation" of the same old stuff. There is enough material on this topic to occupy anyone's time probably full-time for at least a month.

I have no problem with those seeking info/knowledge/input etc. That's what the forums are about. But PLEASE---use the search function. ;)
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this is a discussion forum. if you don't like reading discussions because you feel like it's rehashing old ideas, just don't click on the damn thread.

guy g said:
Using the search function could have avoided the useless use of band width.
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you not being an idiot and simply not clicking on this thread could have avoided the wasting of all our bandwith and time on reading your worthless trolling post
 
Joe would be a better one to ask about folders, he has used more, especially customs and thus could make better comparisons, but anyway based on what I have used there are a few real standouts when I think of working folders :

Spyderco Military / Paramilitary / Manix :

The Manix works better for heavy powercuts due to the more hand filling grip, and the other two are better for precision cuts in side and pinch grips. I like the Military over the Para in all areas outside of the lock.

Swamp Rat Rat Trap :

Similar to the Military in a lot of ways, mainly an issue of point style and handle preference. Too bad it isn't a compression lock.

Spyderco Delica / Endura :

These don't offer the same NIB cutting ability, with the sabre vs high flat grinds, but are a lot less expensive. The FRN looks cheap to many, but outside of possible long term issues with blade play in heavy use, doesn't have a real significant downside. They are generally more suited for heavy work, more towards prying and general use than the optimal cutters like the Military with more steel left in the blade and point.

Spyderco Calypso Jr :

Essentially an upscale version of the Delica, or a really small Military. A nice small precision cutting blade. The new ZDP-189 should be interesting.

U2 :

Really nice small folder for precision work, nice steel, efficient grind.

Opinel :

Nothing needs to be said here.

Benchmade 710HSS Axis :

Easily in competiton for the top hard working folder of its price range, and well above. I have used the mini version, the only real reason I have not bought the full one is the abundance of existing quality folders, plus it does irritate me that you have to reprofile them NIB.

Possible upgrades to the above knives :

+S30V rehardening by Wilson to 60/62 HRC
+high hollow grind by Krein to really focus on a pure cutter

There are other decent ones I have seen but would not recommend due to QC issues. The Kershaw Vapor I have is really nice in many respects, but reports of lock issues are common, and the steel in this one is problematic.

The production Dozier's look very solid as well, and for really high end R.J. Martin's should make excellent users. I have not used them, or actually any of R.J.'s work, but have talked to him many times and he really is an upfront no hype guy.

The Sebenza is a solid knife, take care about the promotion as a "tough working knife" because the grind on the one I have doesn't suit that at all. It would be heavy competition for the 710HSS, Paramilitary and Rat Trap at a similar price.

-Cliff
 
Based on the positives I read about the Chris Reeve Sebenza, I ordered a large one today. Should be in next week! I have carried many knives (EDI, Spyderco, Benchmade, Microtech, and countless others). I carry what I like and I'm not brand loyal but I will say I've owned many Spyderco Knives. Just got in a Lone Wolf T2 and a Emerson CQC-8.

I'm new here and the only way you get your feet wet is asking questions. You can search and still not have questions answered or at least not answered to your satisfaction. I thought that was the purpose of forums like these! New people ask questions! It seems often enough on many forums there is always someone posting some smart A** response to a question they may have seen many times before. It would certainly be nice to step back in time to check out the posts and question they asked when they first started participating on a particular site.
 
Cliff Stamp said:
Even well discussed topics can be informative, it is just up to the posters involved, you can make them constructive if you want.

-Cliff
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Agreed. I am just trying to make the point that the search function should be used before starting yet another Sebenza thread. If anybody wishes to make comments after doing the requisite "research"--bring it on---I've got no problem. :cool:
 
Searching can be of value, and some times it is more efficient, sometimes it isn't though, to a complete novice it can be problematic as you don't know enough to generate small focused hits, and general searches can just turn up pages which have nothing to do with what you want.

Plus I have actually switched to searching Bladeforums with Google because the internal search doesn't work for me most of the time, it just does nothing after submission, a few times I even had to page through forums to find the threads.

But anyway, you fire off a post and hope that there are people out there who either know more about the information available and can point you to relevant threads, or are willing to share the information directly. Plus you would expect with time that even old topic would have new information, every time you use a knife you learn and that can add to your posts.

My perspective on liners/integrals has changed recently after seeing a Vapor with a pretty much perfect lockup, aside from torque failure, which happened at decently high force (wood splitting) which is greater than any pure cutting, based on that I have no tolerance for anything less in a knife costing many times more.

Of course that performance isn't consistent in the Vapor's, it is easy to find reports of problems, but it does show it can be done with rather inexpensive materials.

My basic point is that instead of attacking a post with comments like :

-mods lock this down
-this is a useless waste of bandwitdth

and other similar statements, instead it would be more productive to actually offer helpful information like noting that this is a well discussed topic and pointing out a few recent threads, or a few posters to search for who have made significant contributions. For example when someone mentions burrs or problems with sharpening I'll often suggest they read some of Jeff's posts which given very detailed descriptions of how to solve various problems, and of course Joe's FAQ.

-Cliff
 
thank you. that's the idea. if somene makes a thread that's deja vu, link them to the old thread. this is a discussion forum. dialogue is the norm. if you want to be a toolbag you can go somewhere else.


changing gears. what's this about reprofiling the 710HS NIB? Cause I have a 710HS and i haven't done any reprofiling on it at all. Just touchups on the sharpmaker. seems to work fine.
 
ayzianboy said:
changing gears. what's this about reprofiling the 710HS NIB? Cause I have a 710HS and i haven't done any reprofiling on it at all. Just touchups on the sharpmaker. seems to work fine.
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How do you find the sharpening of a recurve on the Sharpmaker. Easy? Difficult?
 
ayzianboy said:
what's this about reprofiling the 710HS NIB?
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The edge on most Benchmades comes with a profile that is overthickened and set at too high an angle for optimal cutting ability on most media and reduces ease of sharpening.

-Cliff
 
Cliff Stamp said:
The edge on most Benchmades comes with a profile that is overthickened and set at too high an angle for optimal cutting ability on most media and reduces ease of sharpening.

-Cliff
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Why to they do this? They must have some reason, no?
 
I just like a well-made clip point. I have a classic with cocobolo inlays, it's very comfortable for me. I respect Spyderco, but don't like the blade shapes for everyday use. Same with Benchmade, the handles always feel too small for me. Except the Skirmish, which I own. The fit & finish on the Skirmish is close to a Sebenza, but not the same.
The Sebenza is comparable to many custom folders I own.
 
I bought one, even a fancy one with nice wood inlays. It was perfect in it's execution. There was nothing wrong with it's materials. It just had no "soul". I can't put it any other way. It did not speak to me and I traded it off.
 
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