Anyone heard of this guy?

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This thread is apt to stay on top until some of the easy questions are answered by John Peters Lightning.

Do you use a TOPS knife to make the RAZR?
What type of Operator are you?
Where did you get your knifemaking training and education? (That's the guy Lightning should sue!!)
What is PRO FORCE CELL?
Are you insane?

That's a start..............
 
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Thanks for posting that article, I remember reading it years ago when the only knife I owned was a cheap pakistan piece of crap, and even then I thought it was a joke. That pic of the "saw" marking around the tree to snap if off? Oh brother.
You are so full of crap, it truly boggles the mind.
 
Unfortunately I dont think he will ever answer any of the questions posted. Even if he does it is likely that the answers wont be more lies. I just dont think he is going to come out and say "Ahh you guys are good, you caught me, im full of crap."
 
Since my wife is the one sitting at the screen here, you and the others involved (and you little scamps know who you are) may want to resolve this real fast in a big way. Maybe some serious and sincere apologies posted for scaring the crap out of her, trashing her company and its hard earned good name and convincing her she has no worries. And I don’t mean just you, Brian.
I'm not really clear why we should apologize to your left hand, but why would it (or, less likely, she) be so scared when there is a real "tactical operator" in the house? After all, according to you, we're all just wannabes. You built a log cabin with a slightly modified TOPS knife, an' rassled a b'ar, an' whupped a hunnerd men with nothin' but a hickory branch!

I've been asking about your credentials for quite some time, Mr. "Lightning", and your answers then were vague and meandering, as they are now.

Your knife is a very poor representation of the WSK concept, in my opinion, and it is certainly overpriced. (Full disclosure: My name is associated with a version of the WSK made by Mark Terrell, but I have no financial stake in its sales. I think there are some other good WSKs, and some very bad ones.)

Answer the questions you've been asked about the origin of the RAZR knife, the claims about your background, and the inordinately high prices you charge, or expect more sarcasm at your deserving expense.
 
All this talk about "price gouging"
"Scamming our servicemen"
No one is twisting our serviceman's arms to buy the knife
It's kind of depressing to see yet another self-professed advocate of the free market fail to understand its workings.

One of the mechanisms by which the invisible hand of the market works is reputation. Word gets around about a product, and sensible people weigh the opinions of knowledgeable people before making their purchases. That's what is happening here, and you have no reasonable basis to complain.

Just because a scammer isn't physically coercing people doesn't make him less of a scammer. It certainly doesn't render him immune from questions and comments.

If they want to pay what you people feel is a lot of money on knife let them
Why does it bother you guys so much??
I recall some people asking similar questions about journalistic scandals at the New Republic and the New York Times. As I recall, those people had a political stake in pretending that those scandals were no big deal. I don't know what dog you have in this fight, but you're wrong.

I know why I care. I care because I care about knives; if you don't, then why are you here? I care about quality and price. I care about encouraging good quality products at good prices, and I care about the reputation of others in the field. I want to see scammers brought to account because I want people to get good knives for their money, and I want people to have reason to trust knifemakers.

The question isn't why we care, it's why you don't.

Let the market dictate the prices
And maybe the prices will go down or the product won't be profitable if responsible people get the word out.

The market isn't "karma" or some other cowardly excuse for individual inaction. The market is the sum total of individual actions. It works because people act in their interests.

CCH
 
Chardin,

Read on further and look at his next post. We resolved this issue nice and amicably. But thanks for posting that link to the old thread. It was interesting.
 
Loking through the 2006 threads, a user by the name Hedgehog made the following statement:

As for the question about John Lightning, he is the owner of Pro-Tect International OPS and the designer of the RAZR. The development of the knife stems from his background in the military and active practice/training of wilderness survival skills.

And someone else said that at the time his website referred to John Lightning as "Former Special Operations field operative".

I am convinced that he has made himself a hero warrior in order to sell knives with the Military as his target group.

We all know just how low that is......

So who is John Lightning? He is a snake oils salesman.
 
Hedgehog Leatherworks doesn't sell the RAZR on their website anywhere. I just looked. He DOES however, sell and sheath TOPS.

This interesting from Chardin's old thread:

As for the gentleman questioning John's credentials, I'll just put it this way: He didn't print a special thanks page to Mike Fuller of TOPS knives in the instruction manual for the purpose of using up extra ink.

I've thanked Mike Fuller for things, too. Does that mean I get to call myself a "special operation tactical operator"? WhooHOO!!! I'M IN! Didn't even need to go through the Q-course!!! Not.

If this guy is a friend of TOPS, and he's for real, TOPS would have said so - look back at Kiahs posted reply from TOPS ("I guess there is little imagination left these days."). TOPS is aware of him. I also let TOPS know that I and others were calling this guy a fraud, etc., and, well, they never responded to that at all. I interpret that as, "We don't really care if you are calling him a fraud." They probably are too busy to care much one way or the other at the moment.

Thanking TOPS, why? Does he think printing a thank you excuses using a TOPS knife and calling it your own design? Thanking TOPS is just further evidence that this is likely a TOPS knife.
 
Ok, new theory. He's a cross-dressing multiple personality. Like Victor/Victoria, only John/Joanna. Depending on the phase, you never know whether he's posting while wearing tactical nylon, or just nylons.

+1 3G!! Love the new product. Only $10,000? But how much is the sheath?

TACTICAL CROTCHLESS FISHNET BODYSUIT! I LOVE MINE! so breezy. :D:D:thumbup::thumbup:

oh and as for this thread...... any legal issues may be directed to my attorneys at Davis and Co, in Calgary. You want to play with the big dogs you got to stop piddling like a puppy.

My dogs of war are ready to be unleashed. Its nice having one of Canada's biggest law firms in the family.
 
this thread is something lol, "johnny lightning" lol, wasnt that an action figure back in the '70s?
 
A dog named Homicide? The second response was just to weird to bother with, I never saw where anyone made or implied any threat. JLight, seems to live in a very paranoid and weird version of reality, maybe we will all see him set up next year at the Shot Show, I will politely keep walking,

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Hey I know Mike Fuller, he's a friend of mine. Im gonna change my name to Trace Thunderstorm and double the prices on my knives now!!!LOL..

Man this is some funny $hit.
 
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