AR M4 style rifle, which one?

Never mind owning a gun. I would love to just try shooting a 1911, .38 revolver, Colt Python and a Cassull 454. All impossible in the UK unfortunately - unless you are a criminal or an MP.
 
If you ever visit the US you can go to a commercial range and try all kinds of guns for a very reasonable fee.
 
maybe I could hack into the Pentagon and get the US Government to pay my fare over :)

I had looked at a holiday in South Carolina last year and had a look for some Gun ranges to have a go but it didn't happen. There are also a few places in Eastern Europe that have gun ranges as well.

I will try them some day.
 
Matthew Donegan said:
i believe the decision was based on preventing the psychos from killing large groups in public places before they can be disarmed...not perfect but so far so good.
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But by your own admission Australia didn't have a problem with mass shootings before the gun ban was instituted.

Besides, the criminals still have semi auto weapons so what has the law prevented exactly.
 
Gawd talk about dramatic
As i said i agree it hasnt reduced crime
It has reduced massacres...not really a bad thing
and we dont really have the sort of gang bang crime you guys are talking about
As for the green party...not too worried, those idiots will never get in as a controlling party...we rate our wildlife high and are allowed to happily wipe out all introduced species
Feral Goats, horses, camels, cats, dog, pigs/boars...pretty much any cloven hoofed animal in Australia is fair game....and thats something the greenies cant whinge about because they are killing our native flora and fauna....and no we dont hunt ducks.
Chill fella's , im not about to start trying to convince you guys to do the same.
keep you semi's
You have to remember in Aus the majority of the populace lives in cities and the only people who needed Semiauto's were farmers for culling and killing feral animals from choppers/utes/bikes/horses were it is hard to reload...and you can bet ya bottom dollar that they still have a few simiauto's stashed.
There really has been no change as most people owned both semi and single(with mag) and they havent noticed the difference..we got payed out market value for 10 or more guns we owned and we made a decent dollar and went out and bought even nicer rifles
Worked out fine for us.
the only ones that cried were people who just didnt like being told what to do...they didnt care about what guns they had they just didnt like THE MAN laying down the law.
Most Aussies arent overly passionate about things like government and laws..
We just do what we want anyway
Were more interested in your elections than our own..it blows us away how into elections you guys are and how much you guys love your polititions...most of us are luck to even know the name of our polititions..ignorance maybe..but i figure if we ignore them they might go away lol
No really the more you recognise them the more power they build
at the moment they have little power and if they do the wrong thing we vote them out.
You have to remember we voted the new gun laws in...i belive in democracy even if the laws seems wrong.
Sorry to ramble,,, i have no intention of changing your minds and you wont change mine

Thats why i like this site..its democratic
Please dont judge me based on this topic...i'm a knife fan anyway...i like the quiet.
Much prefer " slice " than "BANG" hehehe
 
Sorry STAGE2 i'm a slow poster
Its not the crims we were worried about
It was the lone gunmen.
You cant do shit about crims no matter what laws you introduce
although we had semiautos and they had autos
now we have singleshot and they have semiautos
maybe if we have knifes they might just use single shot....Kidding
 
Matthew Donegan said:
As i said i agree it hasnt reduced crime
It has reduced massacres...not really a bad thing
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But it really hasn't. Australia didn't have a massacre problem before the gun ban at least not more than any other western nation, but more importantly it has had massacres since the passage of the gun ban.

So what you have is a bunch of lawfully abiding citizens who no longer can own weapons, crazies that are still going to shoot up schools if they want, and a notable increase in crime.

That doesn't sound productive to me.
 
??? what massacre have we had since the new gun laws ??
we CAN own weapons, just not semiauto's
and crime is always going to increase regardless of the laws
Honestly 99% of the populace hasnt even noticed the new gun laws and the 1% that has arent all that upset by it.
It just doesnt bother us.
I understand you guys are protective of your rights
it just doesnt bother us.

Aussie gun laws
Firearms categories
Firearms in Australia are grouped into Categories with different levels of control. The categories are:

Category A: rimfire rifle (not semi-automatic), shotguns (not pump-action or semi-automatic), air rifles, and paintball markers.
Category B: centrefire rifles (not semi-automatic), muzzleloading firearms made after 1 January 1901.
Category C: semi-automatic rimfire rifles holding 10 or fewer rounds and pump-action or semi-automatic shotguns holding 5 or fewer rounds. (Restricted: only primary producers, occupational shooters, collectors and professional sporting shooters can own functional Category C firearms)
Category D: semi-automatic centrefire rifles, pump-action/semi-automatic shotguns holding more than 5 rounds (functional Category D firearms are restricted to occupational shooters; collectors may own deactivated Category D firearms).[2]
Category H: handguns including air pistols, deactivated handguns and guns less than 65 cm long. Target shooters are limited to handguns of .38 calibre or less.
(Participants in "approved" competitions may acquire handguns up to .45", currently Single Action Shooting and Metallic Silhouette. IPSC shooting is not "approved" for the larger calibres, for unstated reasons. Category H barrels must be at least 100 mm (3.94") long for revolvers, and 120 mm (4.72") for semi-automatic pistols, and magazines are restricted to 10 rounds. Handgun collectors are exempt from the laws stated above.)

Category R/E: restricted weapons: machine guns, rocket launchers, assault rifles, flame-throwers, anti-tank guns, Howitzers, artillery, .50-calibre BMG weapons, etc. (Collectors in some states only, weapons must be comprehensively deactivated. Deactivated firearms are still subject to the same storage and licensing requirements as 'live' firearms in many states.)
Antique firearms can in some states be legally bought without licences. In other states they are subject to the same requirements as modern firearms.

All single-shot muzzleloading firearms manufactured before 1 January 1901 are considered antique firearms. Four states require licences for antique percussion revolvers and cartridge repeating firearms but in Queensland and Victoria a person may possess such a firearm without a license, so long as the firearm is registered.

Australia also has tight restrictions on air pistols, airsoft guns, and replica firearms. Suppressors (or 'silencers') are extremely restricted and generally not available to most shooters
.....see it's really not that bad
 
Also 75% of firearm deaths were suicides, after the gun buyback scheme it dropped to 7%
In regards to massacres there were 5 from 1984 to 1996 the last being the3 port arthur massacre in which 35 died and 21 wounded when he used an AR-15 and an L1A1 SLR
Since the buyback there has been one in 2002 and he was a pistol sports shooter and only 2 died.
Guns stolen has fallen from 4,195 per year from 1994-2000 to 1,526 in 2006-2007.

Again i am not for or against, quite frankly i dont really care
the only thing that concerns me is if we get invaded and as i said before..we dont have the numbers for an all out war so we would have to resort to gurella warfare, hit and run...single shot with a mag will be fine
 
Matthew Donegan said:
??? what massacre have we had since the new gun laws ??
we CAN own weapons, just not semiauto's
and crime is always going to increase regardless of the laws
Honestly 99% of the populace hasnt even noticed the new gun laws and the 1% that has arent all that upset by it.
It just doesnt bother us.
I understand you guys are protective of your rights
it just doesnt bother us.

Aussie gun laws
Firearms categories
Firearms in Australia are grouped into Categories with different levels of control. The categories are:

Category A: rimfire rifle (not semi-automatic), shotguns (not pump-action or semi-automatic), air rifles, and paintball markers.
Category B: centrefire rifles (not semi-automatic), muzzleloading firearms made after 1 January 1901.
Category C: semi-automatic rimfire rifles holding 10 or fewer rounds and pump-action or semi-automatic shotguns holding 5 or fewer rounds. (Restricted: only primary producers, occupational shooters, collectors and professional sporting shooters can own functional Category C firearms)
Category D: semi-automatic centrefire rifles, pump-action/semi-automatic shotguns holding more than 5 rounds (functional Category D firearms are restricted to occupational shooters; collectors may own deactivated Category D firearms).[2]
Category H: handguns including air pistols, deactivated handguns and guns less than 65 cm long. Target shooters are limited to handguns of .38 calibre or less.
(Participants in "approved" competitions may acquire handguns up to .45", currently Single Action Shooting and Metallic Silhouette. IPSC shooting is not "approved" for the larger calibres, for unstated reasons. Category H barrels must be at least 100 mm (3.94") long for revolvers, and 120 mm (4.72") for semi-automatic pistols, and magazines are restricted to 10 rounds. Handgun collectors are exempt from the laws stated above.)

Category R/E: restricted weapons: machine guns, rocket launchers, assault rifles, flame-throwers, anti-tank guns, Howitzers, artillery, .50-calibre BMG weapons, etc. (Collectors in some states only, weapons must be comprehensively deactivated. Deactivated firearms are still subject to the same storage and licensing requirements as 'live' firearms in many states.)
Antique firearms can in some states be legally bought without licences. In other states they are subject to the same requirements as modern firearms.

All single-shot muzzleloading firearms manufactured before 1 January 1901 are considered antique firearms. Four states require licences for antique percussion revolvers and cartridge repeating firearms but in Queensland and Victoria a person may possess such a firearm without a license, so long as the firearm is registered.

Australia also has tight restrictions on air pistols, airsoft guns, and replica firearms. Suppressors (or 'silencers') are extremely restricted and generally not available to most shooters
.....see it's really not that bad
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Wow... what a shame.
 
Matthew Donegan said:
Again i am not for or against, quite frankly i dont really care
the only thing that concerns me is if we get invaded and as i said before..we dont have the numbers for an all out war so we would have to resort to gurella warfare, hit and run...single shot with a mag will be fine
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Again... what a shame.
 
from what i hear the rugers are having issues, the whole gas piston thing is nice, but i dont have a prob with the original setup, i mean, if it was is bad then why has it been in service for so long? check DANIEL DEFENSE, they make a carbine now that comes freekin decked! find em' on gunbroker for 1300-1500 range.
 
Matthew Donegan said:
??? what massacre have we had since the new gun laws ??
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The Monash University shooting. Two were killed and 5 others were shot.

The bottom line is that if anyone thinks that restricting semiauto weapons will stop mass shootings they are really short sighted. With two revolvers I can kill 14 people without having to reload. My pump shotgun holds 8 shells. My enfield holds 10 rounds. If someone is really motivated to kill people, then they wouldn't have any problem doing it with the tools available.
 
Quick, ban matches an lighters! They are evil!

(CNN) -- Investigators in Australia believe some of the deadly wildfires ravaging dry southeastern bushland may have been set, a conclusion prompting Australia's prime minister to call such acts "mass murder."

State officials in Victoria have launched arson investigations into some of the blazes, which have killed at least 173 people, decimated massive spans of land and left thousands of people homeless.
 
One year after gun-owners were forced to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed, including semi-automatic .22 rifles and shotguns, a program costing the government over 500 million dollars, the results are in...

A dramatic increase in criminal activity has been experienced. Gun control advocates respond "Just wait... we'll be safer... you'll see...".

OBSERVABLE FACT, AFTER 12 MONTHS OF DATA:

* Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2%
* Australia-wide, assaults are up 8.6%
* Australia-wide, armed-robberies are up 44% (yes, FORTY-FOUR PERCENT)
* In the state of Victoria, homicides-with-firearms are up 300%
* Figures over the previous 25 years show a steady decrease in homicides-with-firearms (changed dramatically in the past 12 months)
* Figures over the previous 25 years show a steady decrease in armed-robbery-with-firearms (changed dramatically in the past 12 months)
* There has been a dramatic increase in breakins-and-assaults-of- the-elderly
* At the time of the ban, the Prime Minister said "self-defense is not a reason for owning a firearm"
* From 1910 to present, homicides in Australia had averaged about 1.8-per-100,000 or lower, a safe society by any standard.
* The ban has destroyed Australia's standings in some international sport shooting competitions
* The membership of the Australian Sports Shooting Association has risen to 112,000, a 200% increase, in response to the ban and as an attempt to organize against further controls, which are expected.
* Australian politicians are on the spot and at a loss to explain how no improvement in "safety" has been observed after such monumental effort and expense was successfully expended in "ridding society of guns". Their response has been to "wait longer".
 
Here are some more recent numbers. Not working the way it was sold, is it?

Homicide Assault Sexual assault Robbery Kidnapping
1996 354 114,156 14,542 16,372 478
1997 364 124,500 14,353 21,305 564
1998 332 130,903 14,336 23,801 707
1999 386 134,271 14,104 22,606 766
2000 363 138,708 15,759 23,336 695
2001 346 152,283 16,897 26,591 767
2002 365 160,118 17,977 20,989 706
2003 341 157,280 18,237 19,709 696
2004 293 156,849 18,400 16,513 768
2005 295 166,499 18,172 16,787 730
2006 319 170,907 18,211 17,284 725
 
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