Are ZT knives worth it?

[co556guy]

No agenda or axe to grind here.

I think my ZT 0200 worth every penny I paid for it and then some and feel similarly about the Kershaw knives I have. In fact I've said in several threads the Tremor is the best knife I own for the money.

I don't agree however with your statement that "You are welcome in my house" in fact you've made in very clear in the Kai sub forum that decent or disparaging opinions are not exactly welcome. And I accept and respect that in your sub forum.

It does appear that you are branching out and trying to enforce that outside your sub-forum and "moderate" this thread here in the general forum.

Sorry but I really don't appreciate that and don't think it appropriate either.

if you look at what kai said, it seems more that kai wanted to know what was wrong or unliked about their product so as to understand the customer better.

kai just asked for a reason beyond "i dont like" for the dislike of their product. if you have a reason, by all means pontificate about it. but at least give the company rep a chance to address the specific issue, rather than get caught in an "is so-is not so" pickle.

from what i saw, kai is trying to figure out what you like, want, and dislike so as to improve their line. i dont see why talking and asking questions (politely i thought) is "modding" a thread. say what you want, but if you told me you dont like my product, my reply would be "what dont you like?" how else am i supposed to know how ifailed my targer customer?

 

[RamZar]

Are Zero Tolerance knives worth the money? If so, are they good for EDC and which ones are good

I'll jump in here and say that "worth" is a subjective thing. If a specific product doesn't interest you or fit your needs then it is "not worth YOUR money". Obviously the converse is true. If said product does interest you / fit your needs then it is "worth YOUR money".

I don't own a ZT yet but the 0550 is the first on my list of knives to purchase when the funds are available. So, it is worth the money TO ME.

Now, speaking objectively and comparing knives from different manufacturers (fit and finish, build quality, materials used, tolerances, etc), in my opinion, ZT knives are worth the money.

Certainly, "worth" can be measured both subjectively and objectively. If I was posing that question I'd like to know both. Subjectively, it may not be worth it to someone because it just doesn't cater to their needs. However, objectively, one needs to set aside their subjectivity and look at them based on objective criteria like materials, craftsmanship, design, factory location, quality, customer service, etc. on a standalone basis and in comparison to competitive products.

Overall, both subjectively and objectively ZT knives are worth it to me.

Objectively, all are worth it based on the aforementioned criteria. They're a relative bargain if you can get the regular production models at or below Minimum Advertised Price (20% below MSRP) and you can.

Now then, subjectively not all of them are worth it to me based on whatever reason or no reason at all.

 

[pbcg]

if you look at what kai said, it seems more that kai wanted to know what was wrong or unliked about their product so as to understand the customer better.

kai just asked for a reason beyond "i dont like" for the dislike of their product. if you have a reason, by all means pontificate about it. but at least give the company rep a chance to address the specific issue, rather than get caught in an "is so-is not so" pickle.

from what i saw, kai is trying to figure out what you like, want, and dislike so as to improve their line. i dont see why talking and asking questions (politely i thought) is "modding" a thread. say what you want, but if you told me you dont like my product, my reply would be "what dont you like?" how else am i supposed to know how ifailed my targer customer?

Sorry but I don't agree. Calling people out and accusing them of having axes to grind and agenda's isn't looking for feedback. It's trying to dismiss or negate their opinions or even stifle them, which they have every right to express when asked in the general forum.

 

[cncpro11]

Once someone opens their internet mouth it is then, for all intents and purposes, an open house.

With that in mind, it's not necessarily a bad thing.

I agree 100%.
Sometimes when one opens their internet mouth, it does indeed for all intents and purposes become an open house for all to see.
And no, it is not necessarily a bad thing at all.

 

[GronK]

Well I'll just say this about that. They are selling out and have waiting lists so they are obviously worth it to enough people to keep them in business.

 

[DapperDan]

I guess the question i should be asking is are they the best for the money. Im not gonna get specific but i have a limited seasonal income and when i spend $100+ i wanna make sure that i get the best for my money. So if you had $100-$200 for an all around edc, what would you buy?

If I was looking just at ZT and your price range I would go with a 0350 or an 0560 on the exchange. They come up frequently for well under price range.

 

[co556guy]

Sorry but I don't agree. Calling people out and accusing them of having axes to grind and agenda's isn't looking for feedback. It's trying to dismiss or negate their opinions or even stifle them, which they have every right to express when asked in the general forum.

so, if i say product x is a pile of junk, but not say why i feel this way......would that be helpful or just stirring the pot.

we can disagree if thats how this ends, but to me when someone cant or wont say why they have "general complaint x," it doesnt really do anything constructive. if the comment isnt constructive, how is one to take it?

id stand by you if kai hadnt been asking for the why of the matter pretty much the whole time. would i have called the pot stirrers out on it? maybe, maybe not. but if someone comes up to me and denigrates me for no reason and then can't tell me what ive done to deserve said denegration......what am i to assume? that they dont know what they are talking about and they are full of it.

we are talking about knives here. its a pretty benign subject to be honest. its an object with a particular set of qualities, some of which are dependent on maker, style, and specific function expected. it's not a mystery or difficult to describe the fault of the thing. its not a rare piece only seen in pictures. therefore, one who complains or dislikes said product, and says so must have a tangible reason which can be easily communicated.

Also, i tend to look at the totality of the situation, rather than one thing said....but the number of times kai asked for a reason greatly outnumbers the "axe grinding" comments, yes?

 

[stabman]

That level of respect should go both ways.
Having the opinion that some in this thread have an agenda with ZT is showing us little respect.

Some people in this thread sure do a great job of appearing to have an agenda if they don't.

 

[singularity35]

Certainly, "worth" can be measured both subjectively and objectively. If I was posing that question I'd like to know both. Subjectively, it may not be worth it to someone because it just doesn't cater to their needs. However, objectively, one needs to set aside their subjectivity and look at them based on objective criteria like materials, craftsmanship, design, factory location, quality, customer service, etc. on a standalone basis and in comparison to competitive products.

Overall, both subjectively and objectively ZT knives are worth it to me.

Objectively, all are worth it based on the aforementioned criteria. They're a relative bargain if you can get the regular production models at or below Minimum Advertised Price (20% below MSRP) and you can.

Now then, subjectively not all of them are worth it to me based on whatever reason or no reason at all.

Absolutely!!

 

[pbcg]

so, if i say product x is a pile of junk, but not say why i feel this way......would that be helpful or just stirring the pot.

we can disagree if thats how this ends, but to me when someone cant or wont say why they have "general complaint x," it doesnt really do anything constructive. if the comment isnt constructive, how is one to take it?

id stand by you if kai hadnt been asking for the why of the matter pretty much the whole time. would i have called the pot stirrers out on it? maybe, maybe not. but if someone comes up to me and denigrates me for no reason and then can't tell me what ive done to deserve said denegration......what am i to assume? that they dont know what they are talking about and they are full of it.

we are talking about knives here. its a pretty benign subject to be honest. its an object with a particular set of qualities, some of which are dependent on maker, style, and specific function expected. it's not a mystery or difficult to describe the fault of the thing. its not a rare piece only seen in pictures. therefore, one who complains or dislikes said product, and says so must have a tangible reason which can be easily communicated.

Also, i tend to look at the totality of the situation, rather than one thing said....but the number of times kai asked for a reason greatly outnumbers the "axe grinding" comments, yes?

Perhaps my point was missed by you, as I was addressing the Kai moderator initially. I have no issue with a company rep confronting or "discussing" statements people make about their products in their own sub forum. In fact in can be very informative but when they seem to be trying to enforce rules or codes of conduct they have established for their own sub forum or discourage others from expressing a negative or unfavorable opinion outside their forum I take exception.

Frankly I think he was out of line. A "discussion" is one thing but I have read the whole thread and some of the statements made by the Kai mod are insulting and uncalled for with the goal appearing to be to discourage opinions he doesn't like or was unhappy with.

That is what I was addressing in my post

 

[singularity35]

Perhaps my point was missed by you, as I was addressing the Kai moderator initially. I have no issue with a company rep confronting or "discussing" statements people make about their products in their own sub forum. In fact in can be very informative but when they seem to be trying to enforce rules or codes of conduct they have established for their own sub forum or discourage others from expressing a negative or unfavorable opinion outside their forum I take exception.

Frankly I think he was out of line. A "discussion" is one thing but I have read the whole thread and some of the statements made by the Kai mod are insulting and uncalled for with the goal appearing to be to discourage opinions he doesn't like or was unhappy with.

That is what I was addressing in my post

Don't you think that it should go both ways? A lot of the posts by other members are also insulting to KAI and are IMHO, very much uncalled for too.

 

[cncpro11]

Don't you think that it should go both ways? A lot of the posts by other members are also insulting to KAI and are IMHO, very much uncalled for too.

So what. If you don't like that people have different opinions then stay in the sub forum where it's all love and admiration for Kershaw / ZT.
No one in the general knife discussion is obligated to follow the code if conduct set forth by KAI in the sub forum, and many take exception to him and others stepping out and trying to impose their will on the rest of us.

 

[stabman]

No one in the general knife discussion is obligated to follow the code if conduct set forth by KAI in the sub forum, and many take exception to him and others stepping out and trying to impose their will on the rest of us.

How are words on a screen imposing one's will on you?
Are you not free to ignore them?
Or argue back?

 

[Nullity]

I think KAI Corp is one of the few respectful posters in this thread. Some posters who are nitpicking every post by KAI Corp are only supporting KAI Corp's assertion that there are posters "with an axe to grind". Just my opinion.

I think ZT is great. They have had a few problems in manufacturing but the customer service is superb. They also do some of the best Limeted Edition knives on the market.
As a knife-nut, I want every part of the knife to be high-end, and ZT has many models like that.

 

[singularity35]

So what. If you don't like that people have different opinions then stay in the sub forum where it's all love and admiration for Kershaw / ZT.
No one in the general knife discussion is obligated to follow the code if conduct set forth by KAI in the sub forum, and many take exception to him and others stepping out and trying to impose their will on the rest of us.

So what? You don't like to be insulted yet you want to be free to do the insulting? That's pretty "will imposing" yourself. Oh and that "stay in your subforum" s**t? That's pretty much trying to impose your will on KAI's rep too. He's as much a member here as you as.

Your axe is becoming clearer with each post.

How are words on a screen imposing one's will on you?
Are you not free to ignore them?
Or argue back?

Jedi mind tricks?

 

[pbcg]

Don't you think that it should go both ways? A lot of the posts by other members are also insulting to KAI and are IMHO, very much uncalled for too.

It shouldn't have to work both ways because I don't think a company mod should be lurking the forums looking to confront or defend the honor of his company at every turn in an attempt to discourage opinions that he finds unfavorable to his brand.

As a member If you feel a member is trolling repot them and let the forum mod handle it. If you disagree with them, address them.

I felt the Kai mod was attempting to moderate the thread in the general forum as though he was it's mod and I don't want to see any sub forums mods doing that.

As for insults, I don't approve of either doing so. It's uncalled for and unnecessary.

 

[stabman]

Jedi mind tricks?

Those damn Jedi's strike again.

 

[Atakdog]

I don't want to get into whatever argument is on this page of the thread, I just want to reply to the original question and say that yes, I believe ZT knives are worth the money.
I'll admit their Elmax is run too soft, but if my 0560 got lost or stolen, I wouldn't get anything to replace it but another 0560.

 

[singularity35]

It shouldn't have to work both ways because I don't think a company mod should be lurking the forums looking to confront or defend the honor of his company at every turn in an attempt to discourage opinions that he finds unfavorable to his brand.

As a member If you feel a member is trolling repot them and let the forum mod handle it. If you disagree with them, address them.

I felt the Kai mod was attempting to moderate the thread in the general forum as though he was it's mod and I don't want to see any sub forums mods doing that.

As for insults, I don't approve of either doing so. It's uncalled for and unnecessary.

Why not? It's what he's here for. As long as he does it in a reasonable manner. About trying to moderate, he's not handing out infractions, is he?

 

[pbcg]

Why not? It's what he's here for. As long as he does it in a reasonable manner. About trying to moderate, he's not handing out infractions, is he?

Is that what he's here for? I though he was here to moderate his sub forum? I see various brands being disparaged all the time and don't see the sub forum mods confronting people. Only this one.