As a hard user of knives, I worry about KAI's direction.

from a use standpoint.... if i could have a 777 i would use it. the vanax in my tilt is unsurpassed in every way. I do use it, and its a wonderful steel. they are not collector knives, they are made to be used, period. Its the owner who makes them a "collector"
 
Okay, i think things are back on track... Oh look... A squirrel...
Anywho, sorry if u took offense to anything i said,
Welcome to the forums btw
 
Okay, i think things are back on track... Oh look... A squirrel...
Anywho, sorry if u took offense to anything i said,
Welcome to the forums btw

No worries, and apologies if I seemed abrasive. It just goes to show how highly people think of the brand to get so caught up in a discussion.

I've actually been a member since 06 or 07 but forgot my password and never thought to update my email while I was autologged in.
 
Now KAI just needs to get Rick Hinderer recorded singing koombya and we can all go back to playing with our knives like little kids in candy stores!
 
It will be interesting how the 0770CF sells, and is embraced. I'm curious and skeptical if it can keep pace with its burlier counterparts. Time will tell.

What we do know, the big boy ZT's have all done well. What we're banking on are that the gent's will as well.

I'm no CF nut, but after the upgrade I am totally drawn to the knife when I was gonna give it a pass beforehand. I'm really looking forward to the 0770 now, as much as the others. I think that it will be a slam!
 
ZT may not have started out to be purely a producer of hard-use and over-built knives (being “built like a tank” or even “a real beast”) but by default it has earned that reputation, for better or worse, from 2006 to the end of last year (even the current ZT catalog is a testament to that - page 3).

The original cutting tool was the sharp tooth of the predator. Next came the blade. Then, after thousands of years of evolution, Zero Tolerance Knives was born.

Designed and manufactured to stand up to hard use, Zero Tolerance knives are built of premium materials such as S30V, ELMAX, or 154CM blade steel and 3-D machined G-10 and titanium handles. These proudly overbuilt knives have earned a reputation among their devoted fans for being “built like a tank” or even “a real beast.”

Which is as it should be.

The excitement generated and realized with the 0777 and 0560CBCF plus the announcements of other departures like 0801, 0770 and more exotics like 0454 and 0801CF have all excited many current and potential customers whilst confusing the hard-core fans that ZT should only build hard-use "tools". It's understandable but it's also all very subjective with a heavy dose of personal bias and not really understanding ZT's march forward: "The initial products were combat knives, but since that time, the line has expanded to include a variety of general-use and premium knives." (ZT catalog page 23). Even the ZT mission statement seems to be fluid: "Although Zero Tolerance knives are larger, heavier knives, many customers won’t have anything else as an everyday carrying knife.". With knives like the 0770CF/0770AL they're getting lighter...

Zero Tolerance builds the kind of premium-quality, professional knives that you can depend on every single day.

The brand made its first appearance in 2006 when Kai USA, the makers of Zero Tolerance, saw a place in the market for a made-in-the-USA line of hard-use knives that would meet the needs of professionals, such as the military, law enforcement, as well as other first responders, including fire fighters and emergency medical personnel.

The initial products were combat knives, but since that time, the line has expanded to include a variety of general-use and premium knives. Although Zero Tolerance knives are larger, heavier knives, many customers won’t have anything else as an everyday carrying knife.

Zero Tolerance incorporates the most advanced materials and technologies in a tool that has been with us from the beginning. And they’re still evolving…

Realistically and practically-speaking, I don't see how or why ZT's expansion of product lines both vertically and horizontally should "offend" some within the customer and/or potential customer base. Some want more hard-use, some more exotics (LE), some smaller/lighter folders, etc. Why shouldn't ZT cater to all in good time.

The descendents of the Kershaw exotics like Tilt, Speedform, Volt, Tyrade, etc. now have a home in ZT. Perhaps a third entity should cater to these and the other exotics.

There have been "questions" about certain blade or scale materials not being for real-world applications. The use of composite, carbon fiber and titanium material may seem as not for real-world hard-use knives but I'll cite an example from another industry. Look at the greatest technological commercial aircraft right now, the Boeing 787, where such material are used for things like weight-saving, strength, corrosion-ressistance, ease of maintenance, etc. (Boeing 787: From the Ground Up -- Composites in the Airframe and Primary Structure).

Personally, I look forward to the continued expansion of the ZT line in all areas with top-notch design, quality and materials. I just wish the message from ZT was more clear, coherent, forthcoming and consistent across the various marketing channels and direct to customers & aficionados on such forums. I see a lot of such frank and informative communications in this thread and others the past few days from both Jimmer_5 and KAI Corp. and that's enlightening as well as heartening...
 
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Just to be clear, I think it's worth noting that we have released a numer of very usable design in the last few years. The 0550, 0560, and 0566 all fit the OP's definition of a simple, rugged, affordable, temperature resistant, and replaceable (ie., not limited edition). I still feel that the 0801 fits the bill as well, but I can accept that everyone has their ow opinion, and it is true that metal handles can become slippery. Trust me, we do care about designing new hard use patterns.

For the record, I get the OP's perspective. I am nowhere near as hard on my knives, but I am more comfortable beating on a knife that I know I can easily replace or get repaired if I damage it.

Finally, it looks like things have calmed down, but let's all take a deep breath and try to see one another's perspectives. It's ok if people have different opinions about what direction this brand should go. We've already stated our official position, but everyone is entitled to their opinion.
 
Just to be clear, I think it's worth noting that we have released a numer of very usable design in the last few years. The 0550, 0560, and 0566 all fit the OP's definition of a simple, rugged, affordable, temperature resistant, and replaceable (ie., not limited edition). I still feel that the 0801 fits the bill as well, but I can accept that everyone has their ow opinion, and it is true that metal handles can become slippery. Trust me, we do care about designing new hard use patterns.

For the record, I get the OP's perspective. I am nowhere near as hard on my knives, but I am more comfortable beating on a knife that I know I can easily replace or get repaired if I damage it.

Finally, it looks like things have calmed down, but let's all take a deep breath and try to see one another's perspectives. It's ok if people have different opinions about what direction this brand should go. We've already stated our official position, but everyone is entitled to their opinion.

Just so you see this Jimmer, I wanted to express my gratitude for the warranty service. It's comforting to know that whenever I am in need of a blade replacement or even just a minor adjustment I don't feel comfortable doing to my wonderful ZT's, you guys are there ready to help a fan out. Thanks and I'm sure I speak for everyone when I say, I appreciate it!
 
To the KAI guys, were the Swerve and Freefall designed in house?

If so I'd love to see their designers get a blank canvas for a new overbuilt tactical ZT blade. Even though they're Chinese made I will still likely pick up one of each! Good blade lengths, liner locks, and they look pretty comfy. Then I might get crazy and have Rival rip out a set of desert themed G10 grips and give the blade a quick spray of Cerakote FDE. Yeah, maybe a bit excessive for a $30 blade but I have a vision of the swerve I need to see played out. :D
 
I'm no CF nut, but after the upgrade I am totally drawn to the knife when I was gonna give it a pass beforehand. I'm really looking forward to the 0770 now, as much as the others. I think that it will be a slam!

So true, initially the aluminum handle did nothing for me. Slap some carbon fiber on there, hmm yummy!
 
We've already stated our official position, but everyone is entitled to their opinion.
Yep . . . and we all know what opinions are like. ;)

I, of course, am all in favor of ZT broadening its product line. For what it's worth, however, I understand the OP's concern. ZT doesn't have the capacity and resources to announce a knife today and deliver it tomorrow. To the extent ZT concentrates on developing knives like the 0770CF, it diverts time away from developing and delivering its core products. And customers who are wedded to ZT's core products are understandably concerned about that based on how long it takes ZT to bring its products to market.

Will ZT lose some customers who feel that the company has abandoned its mission by moving into gentlemen's knives? It may. But hopefully that loss will be more than offset by the new customers ZT garners doing so.

May the Force be with you, ZT. :)
 
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To the KAI guys, were the Swerve and Freefall designed in house?

If so I'd love to see their designers get a blank canvas for a new overbuilt tactical ZT blade. Even though they're Chinese made I will still likely pick up one of each! Good blade lengths, liner locks, and they look pretty comfy. Then I might get crazy and have Rival rip out a set of desert themed G10 grips and give the blade a quick spray of Cerakote FDE. Yeah, maybe a bit excessive for a $30 blade but I have a vision of the swerve I need to see played out. :D

Yes, the Swerve and the Freefall were both in-house designs. We do intend to add more in-house designs to the ZT lineup in the future.
 
The new designs are more of a everyday carry, nice user. The old designs are more of a military use knife. They were good then and good now. They havent changed cause they work. I personally like zt's direction. New designs with old models that are being changed up. Keep on going zt.
 
Just curious to know if the expansion of the ZT line will result in a relative shrinking of Kershaw knives made in the Tualatin plant?
AFAIK there have been no "new" USA made kershaw patterns announced so far in 2013.
 
Just curious to know if the expansion of the ZT line will result in a relative shrinking of Kershaw knives made in the Tualatin plant?
AFAIK there have been no "new" USA made kershaw patterns announced so far in 2013.

I can't speak to the factory production. But I do believe they announce the Chinese produced kershaws, then the amreican made models later. I could be wrong though:)
 
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