As a hard user of knives, I worry about KAI's direction.

o4tg said:
It's not just looks. If I'm doing something on a 110 degree job site and leave my knife sitting in the sun for an hour, I'll be able to pick up something with G10 scales. Titanium or aluminum on the other hand I'm going to have to let cool. Add sweat to that occasion even with out the heat of the knife itself and fine grit carbon fiber or blasted titanium isn't going to give as good of a grip. That's not to say those other knives aren't tough, just that they're not geared towards such tasks.

So please save the emotional responses calling my credibility into question as KAI has restored my faith and condescending posts from people with no real stake in the company does no good for a resolved topic.
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No one needs to call anyone's credibility in the question. Your thread and your subsequent posts really speak for themselves, and show plenty of inconsistencies. Moreover, you seemed really more interested in coming up with scenarios to refute the criticism of your concern of ZT's direction. Above is just another one of them.

Much like whether or not you'd use a 0777 to do whatever you said, leaving your $200+ pocket knife out in the sun at a work site is something all on you. To even suggest that it is any concern of manufacturer is disingenuous. You also seem to speak as if you're one of a rare breed that actually works in scenarios that entail putting a knife through its paces. You're not, and a lot of the guys who frequent the Kai sub forum do plenty of those kinds of work. It'd be nice if you didn't imply that some of the most loyal buyers of ZT's are merely collectors.

It's great that your faith is restored in the company. Kai is a great group of people. However faults in your arguments and your imposing of your preferences as all that's practical is no one else's fault. Snapping back at criticism with logical fallacies does nothing to bolster your credibility.




o4tg said:
Yes, because knives being outside of your pocket is blasphemy!
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^Exactly what I'm talking about.


Cheers sir. I'm out.
 
o4tg said:
You're getting emotional over what I do with my knives why?

You're getting emotional over my preferences towards products you own as well why?

You're getting emotional over something KAI acknowledged and reassured me on why?

My ZT's have done everything I've asked them to. That's not your problem, nor does it give you the right to be so insulting. There's hundreds, if not thousands of people who use their ZT's harder than me without issue. A knife is about the most modular tool you can get for tasks you need done in a pinch.
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I don't care about what you use your knives for. I care that you say one knife IS capable to do something that knives weren't meant to, but it's not practical. But then you go around and say this other knife can do it too, but it IS practical.


The above statement answers all your questions.


And I don't remember insulting you, but if I did, I apologize. Welcome to BF.

I'm done with this thread. Peace mate.
 
o4tg said:
You're getting emotional over what I do with my knives why?

You're getting emotional over my preferences towards products you own as well why?

You're getting emotional over something KAI acknowledged and reassured me on why?

My ZT's have done everything I've asked them to. That's not your problem, nor does it give you the right to be so insulting. There's hundreds, if not thousands of people who use their ZT's harder than me without issue. A knife is about the most modular tool you can get for tasks you need done in a pinch.
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VENI VIDI VICI said:
your being redundant and slightly rude towards other members and flaming those who disagree with you why?
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Everyone has different uses for knives. If you open letters for a large corporation and use your Blur instead of a letter opener, do I have the right to knock you? Not at all.

If I cut a wire with my knife because I don't have wire cutters in my immediate reach, or have to help out an employee quickly and leave my tools where I was using them, does that mean it's okay to say my opinions on knives are irrelevant? It's a two way street, and everyone drives different cars to different locations.
 
Wouldn't the 0300 suffer from the same temperature issues as much as the 'non-rugged' knives? That's a mighty large slab of titanium on that baby.
 
o4tg said:
Everyone has different uses for knives. If you open letters for a large corporation and use your Blur instead of a letter opener, do I have the right to knock you? Not at all.

If I cut a wire with my knife because I don't have wire cutters in my immediate reach, or have to help out an employee quickly and leave my tools where I was using them, does that mean it's okay to say my opinions on knives are irrelevant? It's a two way street, and everyone drives different cars to different locations.
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Yes, and wire cutters get there faster than a porche
 
Wow! What a thread. I'm coming in late, but I have to say how impressed I am with the direction ZT is taking. ZT quality has always spoken for itself. As a user and collector of gentleman's folders, however, I despaired I would ever own a ZT knife because the company's products simply didn't meet my needs. Fortunately, however, that will no longer be the case.

For what it's worth, I welcome the expansion of ZT's product line with open arms and an open wallet. :thumbup: :thumbup:
 
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VENI VIDI VICI said:
Yes, and wire cutters get there faster than a porche
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I'm not really looking to argue with you about this. If I'm under a car and my wire cutters are out of reach, why do you think I'm such a bad guy for using my knife instead? Not every scenario goes perfectly and sometimes you have to improvise.
 
We're drifting here people. If we want to talk about what constitutes as hard use, another thread is in order.
 
bld522 said:
As a user and collector of gentleman's folders, however, I despaired I would ever own a ZT knife because the company's products simply didn't meet my needs.
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It will be interesting how the 0770CF sells, and is embraced. I'm curious and skeptical if it can keep pace with its burlier counterparts. Time will tell.

What we do know, the big boy ZT's have all done well. What we're banking on are that the gent's will as well.
 
I f you don't like the commentary, you want to close the thread. The big boy ZT's were designed with Stryder's input.
 
Kai Corp. said:
It will be interesting how the 0770CF sells, and is embraced. I'm curious and skeptical if it can keep pace with its burlier counterparts. Time will tell.

What we do know, the big boy ZT's have all done well. What we're banking on are that the gent's will as well.
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You may have a perception problem to overcome. I'll do the best I can to help you overcome it, but I'm just one small voice in the wilderness. Believe it or not, your best bet may be to create a new product line with a brand name that doesn't continue to connect you with your overbuilt, tactical roots . . . maybe "Mildly Tolerant Knives" or something like that? :D
 
bld522 said:
You may have a perception problem to overcome. I'll do the best I can to help you overcome it, but I'm just one small voice in the wilderness. Believe it or not, your best bet may be to create a new product line with a brand name that doesn't continue to connect you with your overbuilt roots. Maybe "Mildly Tolerant Knives" or something like that? :D
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A new line may be a bit much, but we will be pushing them through our marketing channels. In the end the market will decide on it's popularity. I feel they should do well, but one never knows.
 
Kai Corp. said:
It will be interesting how the 0770CF sells, and is embraced. I'm curious and skeptical if it can keep pace with its burlier counterparts. Time will tell.

What we do know, the big boy ZT's have all done well. What we're banking on are that the gent's will as well.
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I think as long as having the detent hole with the speedsafe works out and people can choose which way to go, it will sell well. I know I will certainly be getting one if I can remove the speedsafe.
 
bld522 said:
You may have a perception problem to overcome. I'll do the best I can to help you overcome it, but I'm just one small voice in the wilderness. Believe it or not, your best bet may be to create a new product line with a brand name that doesn't continue to connect you with your overbuilt, tactical roots . . . maybe "Mildly Tolerant Knives" or something like that? :D
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Hahaha, I could only imagine the advertising!

In essence I think you understood why I was thrown off though. I always viewed ZT as an overbuilt tactical line, and now that they've clarified they will continue down both paths I have full confidence!

To the KAI guys, thank you for the explanation and I know you'll be successful in your endeavors. If you want to lock this topic I have absolutely no issue as you supplied the answer to my concerns.

I look forward to seeing more overbuilt tactical knives in the future and will continue enjoying my current KAI offerings even if it's outside of their intended roles. Be proud in your product filling needs that most would never consider. It's a hell of a tough product!
 
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