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Wrong deodorant. Try spray. Or Old Spice stick.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDoWfHqR7gE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ucfpiq646eU&NR=1
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Backpacking equipment--deodorant over knife?
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He can do what he wants. The only thing I dislike about a lot of these guys is the same thing I dislike about people who bash them. The idea that their way is the only way and everyone else is wrong. Get over yourselves. There's lots of ways to skin a cat.
That being said, the long distance hikes never really interested me. I hike IN the woods not THROUGH them. My gear allows me to go off trail, something he can't do. Of all the stuff he's seen on the AT, imagine all that he missed because he's stuck on the trail.
That being said, the long distance hikes never really interested me. I hike IN the woods not THROUGH them. My gear allows me to go off trail, something he can't do. Of all the stuff he's seen on the AT, imagine all that he missed because he's stuck on the trail.
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Bear, your right otzi was a bad example, he had plenty of good gear, actually top of the line for his time.
You can not force common sense or morality and it is a bit of a waste of time to sit around and talk about it. Chris
You can not force common sense or morality and it is a bit of a waste of time to sit around and talk about it. Chris
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I used Degree stick and, as I said, it wouldn't burn. Maybe my entire problem was not using the proper brand, but Degree was all I had. Now I suppose I'll have to try other brands. It's not like testing deodorant flammability is difficult, but it could be costly.
As far as the spray stuff, I suspect that it's actually the propellant that burns (done that, and it was fun). Besides, I would think that the metal can on the spray stuff would weigh too much for our guy. Come to think of it, I have no idea, because I don't understand his thought processes. Maybe that's why he doesn't carry a knife: he's saving weight so he can carry a big can of spray deodorant.
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Maybe that's why he doesn't carry a knife: he's saving weight so he can carry a big can of spray deodorant.
Well.....he seldom carries a lighter so how does he light it? Do you think he makes a bow drill?
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Well.....he seldom carries a lighter so how does he light it? Do you think he makes a bow drill?
Nah, he borrows one from someone passing by, and gets them to light it for him.
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Now I suppose I'll have to try other brands. It's not like testing deodorant flammability is difficult, but it could be costly.
Do it in the store!
That way you don't have to carry that heavy stuff all the way home!
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Nah, he borrows one from someone passing by, and gets them to light it for him.
D'oh! You got me there, I forgot about that.
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Do it in the store!
Doing it in the store sounds like fun. Now that would raise some eyebrows (and get me arrested).
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Cause he had top of the line cutting tools and fire making kit. Chris
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I saved you the trouble (and bail), I just lit up my Old Spice Classic stick. And then... I noticed the "Caution Flammable" on the back. Say... couldn't the guy just borrow someone's deodorant? (not mine of course).
I've been caught out with the wrong knife before. I gutted and dressed a deer with a pen blade. Two other times I had no knife at all. I used a shard of flint for a blade the first time and a broken coke bottle the second time. Country boys can survive... Hank said it and that makes it so.
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I saved you the trouble (and bail), I just lit up my Old Spice Classic stick. And then... I noticed the "Caution Flammable" on the back. Say... couldn't the guy just borrow someone's deodorant? (not mine of course).
I've been caught out with the wrong knife before. I gutted and dressed a deer with a pen blade. Two other times I had no knife at all. I used a shard of flint for a blade the first time and a broken coke bottle the second time. Country boys can survive... Hank said it and that makes it so.
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"Hank said it and that makes it so.":thumbup:
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How did the Old Spice stick light? Could you just pop the top and stick a match to it and light it like a torch? Or did you have to crumble it to light? You think you could light it with a firesteel? If this thread has taught us anything, it's carry the right deodorant
Hopefully they sell this stick in a small size like in the travel size bins at walmart.
Oh and as for the ultralighters: I don't do even for day hikes. It's too much like running. And I hate running. And don't go assuming I'm some fat dude who can't run either. I rock climb well enough as well as hiking. I just like to take things slow. I have even climbed trees off trail for fun. And take naps mid day off trail as well. And I enjoy my time around a campfire. I have never, ever, not once, gone for even a small day hike without a small survival kit that included or had in addition to a knife.
Oh and more thing. I have taken musician friends (but never magician friends.........not sure why) for night hikes in the woods. And I always carried two lights with me in addition to my survival kit and small back pack. Even high up in the mountains it gets very dark when hiking under trees. And unless there is a full moon the open spaces are dark as well. Well...............dark enough anyway. Light up the darkness! I prefer to light my way and they do as well using their cell phones for light.
Hopefully they sell this stick in a small size like in the travel size bins at walmart.Oh and as for the ultralighters: I don't do even for day hikes. It's too much like running. And I hate running. And don't go assuming I'm some fat dude who can't run either. I rock climb well enough as well as hiking. I just like to take things slow. I have even climbed trees off trail for fun. And take naps mid day off trail as well. And I enjoy my time around a campfire. I have never, ever, not once, gone for even a small day hike without a small survival kit that included or had in addition to a knife.
Oh and more thing. I have taken musician friends (but never magician friends.........not sure why) for night hikes in the woods. And I always carried two lights with me in addition to my survival kit and small back pack. Even high up in the mountains it gets very dark when hiking under trees. And unless there is a full moon the open spaces are dark as well. Well...............dark enough anyway. Light up the darkness! I prefer to light my way and they do as well using their cell phones for light.
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The weights for my 'extras' that I would add over and above the minimal equipment (if I were to copy his ideas but alter them slightly to fit my idea of what to have with me):
Small SAK - what do these weigh? It looks like a hiker weighs about 2 oz, I guess the small ones could be around 1 oz?
AAA Flashlight - ITP A3 is listed as 9 grams without battery, what does an AAA weigh? Maybe 1/2 Oz - 1 oz total?
Peanut lighter - the one I have is listed a 0.92Oz - call it 1 oz with fluid.
So that is about 3 Oz with small SAK or 4oz with larger SAK - 1/4 pounds more weight by the look of it. What I wonder is whether there really is a big benefit to hiking with 1/4 pound less weight, but no knife or lighter or decent flashlight. I kinda think the benefits of carrying these useful items would surely be worth the 1/4 pound extra weight that they cost.
To me an extra 4oz is pretty much nothing - are there any ultralight long distance hikers that can give an opinion on this? How much does an extra 1/4 pound of gear adversely affect your hiking performance & comfort?
Small SAK - what do these weigh? It looks like a hiker weighs about 2 oz, I guess the small ones could be around 1 oz?
AAA Flashlight - ITP A3 is listed as 9 grams without battery, what does an AAA weigh? Maybe 1/2 Oz - 1 oz total?
Peanut lighter - the one I have is listed a 0.92Oz - call it 1 oz with fluid.
So that is about 3 Oz with small SAK or 4oz with larger SAK - 1/4 pounds more weight by the look of it. What I wonder is whether there really is a big benefit to hiking with 1/4 pound less weight, but no knife or lighter or decent flashlight. I kinda think the benefits of carrying these useful items would surely be worth the 1/4 pound extra weight that they cost.
To me an extra 4oz is pretty much nothing - are there any ultralight long distance hikers that can give an opinion on this? How much does an extra 1/4 pound of gear adversely affect your hiking performance & comfort?
Gadgetaholic,
With a number of the UL hikers I've met, a significant part of their sport is seeing how much they can do without. Even if the drop in weight is minimal and many others would think the lower weight was not worth the extra risk, they want to see whether they can accomplish the hike without that gear. Instead of a weight vs. benefit analysis, it's more of an open challenge or competition to constantly drop ever more gear and weight. Sort of an ongoing competition to get absolutely as light and minimalist as possible. Testing the limit.
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With a number of the UL hikers I've met, a significant part of their sport is seeing how much they can do without. Even if the drop in weight is minimal and many others would think the lower weight was not worth the extra risk, they want to see whether they can accomplish the hike without that gear. Instead of a weight vs. benefit analysis, it's more of an open challenge or competition to constantly drop ever more gear and weight. Sort of an ongoing competition to get absolutely as light and minimalist as possible. Testing the limit.
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I suspected as much, more a case of a fun thing to see if you can do it than anything else - if you find trying to achieve that fun.
For me:
I could easily take 10 lbs of gear less and still have everything I need - I just don't care about saving weight. I go camping not power walking through the bush though.
Personally, I once went on a four-day backpack with only a Photon Microlight for illumination. I just wanted to see how it would work. It was OK but next time I brought my Princeton Tec Aurora headlamp.
Another time I took a nine-day backpack with only a SAK One-Hand Trekker. Even tried batoning it. Again, it was just adequate but next time I brought a fixed blade.
I enjoy reading about and seeing how the UL guys are constantly pushing the limits. I just don't want anyone telling me I'm crazy for carrying more.
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Hey, UL guys:
When people get down on ULers here, it's this guy we're talking about.
And that, right there, my friend, is the crux of the problem. He's banking on mooching off of someone else.
I'm with you on the mercy thing if someone doesn't bring something because they don't know to bring it, or they brought something and didn't realize that it was insufficient. I'm not going to kick a guy for making a mistake. But to brag and pontificate on how stupid it is to carry something, because you're banking on someone (who you obviously think is stupid) lending you one, deserves an object lesson. Personally, unless the guy was in real danger, I'd not let him borrow whatever it was. Screw you, you said how you could get along without it, so get along. I guess he never thought about what happened if he was out with a bunch of jackasses that didn't bring anything. Who's he going to borrow from?
Re Oetzi:
Oetzi was a sort of good example of a good ultralighter: he brought essential gear, and did fart around with stupid things. But look what he carried:
He carried a chopper and a knife. if you look at his "hatchet", you'll see it's roughly the size, weight, and even the same bit geometry as what brother Vec calls a "proper hawk". And having a couple of his hawks, let me tell you they are LIGHT. So that plus a knife for small duty. If you have a chopping tool, you can get away with a weak knife. Modern equivalent? A tomahawk and a puukko.
He carried a fire holder and fire kit. The little circular birch thingie is a fire holder. One kept a small fire in it continuously. Think of it as a primitive lighter.
He carried a FAK. yeah not much of one, but he carried a pouch of herbs and stuff used to make poultices and such.
He carried a "sleeping bag" of furred hides.
He no doubt carried some food.
He had a pack.
He had what looked like spare clothes.
The thing that separates him from the UL crowd, is he did have a bow he was working on and some arrows. ULers don't seem to like projectile weapons. Much the pity.
So, modern equivalents?
A Hawk (can be a cheap Cold Steel, or a pricey one).
A knife (small fixed blade that is fairly delicate and light like a flint knife would be a Mora or other Puukko design).
A pack
A light sleeping bag and ground sheet or a couple of wool blankets and a ground sheet.
A lighter and tinder pouch.
A change of clothes (or wear wool clothes so wet isn't that big a problem), maybe add a poncho, as the hides he wore would double as rain gear.
A FAK -- AMK makes some nice, small but useful FAKs
Whatever food your carrying.
Not all that much, eh? Yeah, no heavy stove and fuel bottle.
No deodorant. No toothbrush cut in half.
And for me, I'll take a projectile weapon. . .
When people get down on ULers here, it's this guy we're talking about.
And that, right there, my friend, is the crux of the problem. He's banking on mooching off of someone else.
I'm with you on the mercy thing if someone doesn't bring something because they don't know to bring it, or they brought something and didn't realize that it was insufficient. I'm not going to kick a guy for making a mistake. But to brag and pontificate on how stupid it is to carry something, because you're banking on someone (who you obviously think is stupid) lending you one, deserves an object lesson. Personally, unless the guy was in real danger, I'd not let him borrow whatever it was. Screw you, you said how you could get along without it, so get along. I guess he never thought about what happened if he was out with a bunch of jackasses that didn't bring anything. Who's he going to borrow from?
Re Oetzi:
Oetzi was a sort of good example of a good ultralighter: he brought essential gear, and did fart around with stupid things. But look what he carried:
He carried a chopper and a knife. if you look at his "hatchet", you'll see it's roughly the size, weight, and even the same bit geometry as what brother Vec calls a "proper hawk". And having a couple of his hawks, let me tell you they are LIGHT. So that plus a knife for small duty. If you have a chopping tool, you can get away with a weak knife. Modern equivalent? A tomahawk and a puukko.
He carried a fire holder and fire kit. The little circular birch thingie is a fire holder. One kept a small fire in it continuously. Think of it as a primitive lighter.
He carried a FAK. yeah not much of one, but he carried a pouch of herbs and stuff used to make poultices and such.
He carried a "sleeping bag" of furred hides.
He no doubt carried some food.
He had a pack.
He had what looked like spare clothes.
The thing that separates him from the UL crowd, is he did have a bow he was working on and some arrows. ULers don't seem to like projectile weapons. Much the pity.
So, modern equivalents?
A Hawk (can be a cheap Cold Steel, or a pricey one).
A knife (small fixed blade that is fairly delicate and light like a flint knife would be a Mora or other Puukko design).
A pack
A light sleeping bag and ground sheet or a couple of wool blankets and a ground sheet.
A lighter and tinder pouch.
A change of clothes (or wear wool clothes so wet isn't that big a problem), maybe add a poncho, as the hides he wore would double as rain gear.
A FAK -- AMK makes some nice, small but useful FAKs
Whatever food your carrying.
Not all that much, eh? Yeah, no heavy stove and fuel bottle.
No deodorant. No toothbrush cut in half.
And for me, I'll take a projectile weapon. . .