Bad Blood Blowout =Stocking Stuffers !

[gadgetgeek]

Some guys would expect to have valet parking and custom tailoring at the W-mart !

No, not at all, just a place to park, and pants that fit in both directions.
I honestly don't get it. Is the knife bad, or isn't it? If for 20$ you expect to get lock stick, then that's info worth knowing, because at that pricepoint, maybe it would lead someone to look elsewhere. Its your money so you spend it how you like. I just don't understand the last couple pages. There are a dozen threads a week, "should I send this back" "Is this normal" and a lot of the time it comes down to, "does it bother you" because the blade is otherwise functional. Now, it would be fair to debate just how big a problem lock-stick is, but at the end of the day its a functionality problem, so it would seem fair to get that fixed. Arguing with the guy telling you its okay to own a knife you like that works seems strange to me.

 

[willc]

I’ve looked at these knives before and never really saw any in stock that floated my boat but they seem to be a decent budget knife.

I may try one of the fixed blades as I do want to do a KC order soon.
What I really don’t understand is all the passive aggressive vitriol that gets tossed around when people don’t like a certain knife or brand.
There’s plenty of stuff I don’t care for but I rarely go out of my way to post about it.

(Wonder how long before my post history gets scrutinized now?)

Seriously what better way to say Happy Holidays than with a Bad Blood Knife.

 

[newdebate]

As far as knife mods , I see you guys raving and drooling when some high end knife gets mods . Nobody uses the logic that if you want to mod then the original must be junk . What a bunch of double standard hypocrites !

That's some funny stuff!

Edit: removed superfluous exclamation marks.

 

[91bravo]

I don't see anything wrong with asking the dealer to look over the knife before they ship. Some folks are really OCD about fit/finish, centering, lockup etc, myself included. A simple request in the notes section usually helps with receiving a product that isn't blatantly faulty. I'll do this no matter if it's a $2 or $200 product. It helps with the wasted funds of shipping to me, me shipping back and in some cases, a restocking fee. A simple look over before shipping out would prevent this. "An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure" - Ben Franklin

 

[panoz77]

Just for perspective out of the five bad blood knives that I have this is the first one with an unacceptable issue. The two other folders that I have have no lock stick. People in this thread act like high-dollar knives don't have these issues, which just by looking through some threads at bladeforums you would see that's an incorrect assumption. Even high-dollar Knives have centering issues lock stick issues cosmetic grind issues, late lock up early lock up and etcetera. How would I know to ask to check for lock stick when I've never had that issue before? Should I also ask that it be checked for a perfect grind and also ask that it be checked for no cosmetic blemishes and also asked that it be checked for perfect blade centering and also ask that it be checked for smooth flipping action with no gritty feel and that the pivot be adjusted so that it flips open Perfectly? What other issues should I ask that my $20 knife be checked for to insure would meet my quality requirements?

You see I'm not asking for a $1,000 knife fit and finish on a $20 knife I'm simply saying this particular knife had unacceptable lock stick and then I am going to ask for a refund or replacement. In fact I sent the knife back in the mail today, it was a very simple process I was sent a return shipping label and when I get my refund I will buy a replacement knife.

 

[Hackenslash]

Just for perspective out of the five bad blood knives that I have this is the first one with an unacceptable issue. The two other folders that I have have no lock stick. People in this thread act like high-dollar knives don't have these issues, which just by looking through some threads at bladeforums you would see that's an incorrect assumption. Even high-dollar Knives have centering issues lock stick issues cosmetic grind issues, late lock up early lock up and etcetera. How would I know to ask to check for lock stick when I've never had that issue before? Should I also ask that it be checked for a perfect grind and also ask that it be checked for no cosmetic blemishes and also asked that it be checked for perfect blade centering and also ask that it be checked for smooth flipping action with no gritty feel and that the pivot be adjusted so that it flips open Perfectly? What other issues should I ask that my $20 knife be checked for to insure would meet my quality requirements?

You see I'm not asking for a $1,000 knife fit and finish on a $20 knife I'm simply saying this particular knife had unacceptable lock stick and then I am going to ask for a refund or replacement. In fact I sent the knife back in the mail today, it was a very simple process I was sent a return shipping label and when I get my refund I will buy a replacement knife.

You can bet that the retailer will inspect the knife you return to them. It might be a better plan to ask for a replacement concurrent to returning yours; if you order later, you might end up with the same knife shipped back to you if you're not willing to ask them to check out the lock-up before shipping.

I went through my inventory and found I've have had a fourth Bad Blood knife; the Crossfire. I'd forgotten about it because I'd disassembled it and disposed of it. The liner locked up so early, a very light tap on the blade spine caused the lock to disengage. Trying to press the liner further in for a secure lock-up caused severe stick. I paid around $45 for this one so I consider it wasted money.

Of the four Bad Bloods I've had, I'd recommend AGAINST the Crossfire. I don't consider it a safe knife at any pricepoint. The Dreadnaught, the Partisan Nano and the Spiraling Demise are certainly acceptable in the $20-$30 range for those looking for larger, heavier knives in the Chinese Kershaw and CRKT realm. Personally, most of them are beefier and clunkier than something I'd chose to carry but for some knife users they can make an OK beater knife.

Now, I wonder how long it'll take for some insults to be hurled my way because my opinion on the knives doesn't match that of the BBK enthusiasts driving this thread? I'm beginning to think the worst thing about BBK is that they inexplicably spawn incivility in people who come in contact with them. Must be something in the steel?

 

[craytab]

Just for perspective out of the five bad blood knives that I have this is the first one with an unacceptable issue. The two other folders that I have have no lock stick. People in this thread act like high-dollar knives don't have these issues, which just by looking through some threads at bladeforums you would see that's an incorrect assumption. Even high-dollar Knives have centering issues lock stick issues cosmetic grind issues, late lock up early lock up and etcetera. How would I know to ask to check for lock stick when I've never had that issue before? Should I also ask that it be checked for a perfect grind and also ask that it be checked for no cosmetic blemishes and also asked that it be checked for perfect blade centering and also ask that it be checked for smooth flipping action with no gritty feel and that the pivot be adjusted so that it flips open Perfectly? What other issues should I ask that my $20 knife be checked for to insure would meet my quality requirements?

You see I'm not asking for a $1,000 knife fit and finish on a $20 knife I'm simply saying this particular knife had unacceptable lock stick and then I am going to ask for a refund or replacement. In fact I sent the knife back in the mail today, it was a very simple process I was sent a return shipping label and when I get my refund I will buy a replacement knife.

I don't see people acting like high dollar knives have no issues. They most certainly do. Any company or maker lets a lemon out once in a while. What I will say is that issues slip by more often on these budget knives, and it is not just Bad Blood of course.

As for what to ask a dealer to check, I will give you an example from my experience. I've had more benchmades than I can count, most of which have been perfect. Benchmade has a reputation of letting bad grinds or other issues through QC, at least more so than the other big mid to high price range production companies. Through research and experience I know this. Since I know this, when I buy a new Benchmade from a reputable dealer I will ask them to check the blade grind, centering, and action (blade play). I have no problem doing this and reputable dealers will have no problem handling the request. They want to be selling acceptable quality products just as much as we want to get acceptable quality products.

So in your situation, you received a knife that was functionally not acceptable, so unacceptable you returned it. This can now be a learning experience for you. 20% of the knives you received from this company had an unacceptable problem. Is it not reasonable to on the next order of this brand you ask the dealer to check the knife for the same issue you had before? It worried you enough to return the first knife, it should worry you enough to have the problem checked on the next knife.

 

[craytab]

https://www.knifecenter.com/department/holiday-sales/bad-blood-discontinued-models
Back on topic : the sale I intended this thread to feature refers to these BBK knives as " discontinued models " with limited time and supply . NOT regular pricing as some have insisted . So anybody interested should take note and not delay . If not interested in BBK but "only wanting to HELP" , so be it (but I hope you are all done with the" helping" now , please ) .

No. What many of us have insisted is that the discontinued limited supply price of these Bad Blood knives is much closer to what they should have originally cost. Stating this opinion is trying to help. Were are letting people know who might be reading this thread that they shouldn't think they are getting a special deal but rather getting an appropriately priced budget import knife.

 

[panoz77]

I don't see people acting like high dollar knives have no issues. They most certainly do. Any company or maker lets a lemon out once in a while. What I will say is that issues slip by more often on these budget knives, and it is not just Bad Blood of course.

As for what to ask a dealer to check, I will give you an example from my experience. I've had more benchmades than I can count, most of which have been perfect. Benchmade has a reputation of letting bad grinds or other issues through QC, at least more so than the other big mid to high price range production companies. Through research and experience I know this. Since I know this, when I buy a new Benchmade from a reputable dealer I will ask them to check the blade grind, centering, and action (blade play). I have no problem doing this and reputable dealers will have no problem handling the request. They want to be selling acceptable quality products just as much as we want to get acceptable quality products.

So in your situation, you received a knife that was functionally not acceptable, so unacceptable you returned it. This can now be a learning experience for you. 20% of the knives you received from this company had an unacceptable problem. Is it not reasonable to on the next order of this brand you ask the dealer to check the knife for the same issue you had before? It worried you enough to return the first knife, it should worry you enough to have the problem checked on the next knife.

Benchmades are in the hundred plus range and a minimum so asking a dealer to check over $100 knife is not an unreasonable request especially when they're known for bad QC. How this compares to a Chinese $20 knife and requesting that same level of QC inspection be done is absurd. I'm sure you could request having it done all day long whether a dealer actually follows through is another question. I would bet dollars to Donuts that a request like this would consist of picking the first box from the top of the pile. For me the point is moot as the knife is no longer in stock where I originally purchased it and I'm purchasing it from another "dealer".

 

[panoz77]

You can bet that the retailer will inspect the knife you return to them. It might be a better plan to ask for a replacement concurrent to returning yours; if you order later, you might end up with the same knife shipped back to you if you're not willing to ask them to check out the lock-up before shipping.

I went through my inventory and found I've have had a fourth Bad Blood knife; the Crossfire. I'd forgotten about it because I'd disassembled it and disposed of it. The liner locked up so early, a very light tap on the blade spine caused the lock to disengage. Trying to press the liner further in for a secure lock-up caused severe stick. I paid around $45 for this one so I consider it wasted money.

Of the four Bad Bloods I've had, I'd recommend AGAINST the Crossfire. I don't consider it a safe knife at any pricepoint. The Dreadnaught, the Partisan Nano and the Spiraling Demise are certainly acceptable in the $20-$30 range for those looking for larger, heavier knives in the Chinese Kershaw and CRKT realm. Personally, most of them are beefier and clunkier than something I'd chose to carry but for some knife users they can make an OK beater knife.

Now, I wonder how long it'll take for some insults to be hurled my way because my opinion on the knives doesn't match that of the BBK enthusiasts driving this thread? I'm beginning to think the worst thing about BBK is that they inexplicably spawn incivility in people who come in contact with them. Must be something in the steel?

Your post is very reasonable why would you get bashed? The dealer that I ordered from is out of stock and I did communicate with them prior to the return. I'm getting refunded and purchasing from another vendor.

 

[bearfacedkiller]

I would assume that a dealer would be happy to inspect a knife that is only $20 considering the margin on it is probably so small. Having some one exchange it will probably not only eat their couple dollars of profit but they will likely end up losing money on the deal after paying return shipping. I would assume that they would prefer that the customer is satisfied the first time to avoid that loss.

I purchased a CRKT Razel folder and they made a change mid production to the clip mounting location. I called and asked KC to make sure I got the version I wanted and they were very accommodating. It was like $25 iirc. I did not feel like I was being a pain and they didn't make feel like I was. I thought it was a win-win and better than me having gotten the wrong one and returned it.

 

[panoz77]

I would assume that a dealer would be happy to inspect a knife that is only $20 considering the margin on it is probably so small. Having some one exchange it will probably not only eat their couple dollars of profit but they will likely end up losing money on the deal after paying return shipping. I would assume that they would prefer that the customer is satisfied the first time to avoid that loss.

I purchased a CRKT Razel folder and they made a change mid production to the clip mounting location. I called and asked KC to make sure I got the version I wanted and they were very accommodating. It was like $25 iirc. I did not feel like I was being a pain and they didn't make feel like I was. I thought it was a win-win and better than me having gotten the wrong one and returned it.

And that's applies how to getting a knife with a defect? Apples and oranges.

 

[panoz77]

If a dealer wanted to avoid or lower their return rate for economic purposes on $20 knives, wouldn't they inspect every knife for defects before they shipped them out without a specific customer request? That makes the entire argument about "why not ask for an inspection" argument pretty much null and void.

I mean, it only takes them 1 minute, according to some, to ensure a knife has no defects, so why would a dealer blindly send off anything without a once over?

 

[danbot]

If a dealer wanted to avoid or lower their return rate for economic purposes on $20 knives, wouldn't they inspect every knife for defects before they shipped them out without a specific customer request? That makes the entire argument about "why not ask for an inspection" argument pretty much null and void.

I mean, it only takes them 1 minute, according to some, to ensure a knife has no defects, so why would a dealer blindly send off anything without a once over?

I think it would make sense for a reputable dealer to inspect all of those knives and then ship them right back where they came from and say "I can't in good conscience sell this crap".

 

[panoz77]

I think it would make sense for a reputable dealer to inspect all of those knives and then ship them right back where they came from and say "I can't in good conscience sell this crap".

If you are referring to "crap" in general I would agree. BBK's are in most cases not "crap". I got one with lock stick, otherwise it was very nice and a replacement is on the way. I guess all benchmades are also "crap" since they have a well known reputation for putting out knives with poor QC at 5-10x the price?

Example
https://www.bladeforums.com/threads/benchmade-940-2-qc-issue.1535150/

 

[DocJD]

You can bet that the retailer will inspect the knife you return to them. It might be a better plan to ask for a replacement concurrent to returning yours; if you order later, you might end up with the same knife shipped back to you if you're not willing to ask them to check out the lock-up before shipping.

I went through my inventory and found I've have had a fourth Bad Blood knife; the Crossfire. I'd forgotten about it because I'd disassembled it and disposed of it. The liner locked up so early, a very light tap on the blade spine caused the lock to disengage. Trying to press the liner further in for a secure lock-up caused severe stick. I paid around $45 for this one so I consider it wasted money.

Of the four Bad Bloods I've had, I'd recommend AGAINST the Crossfire. I don't consider it a safe knife at any pricepoint. The Dreadnaught, the Partisan Nano and the Spiraling Demise are certainly acceptable in the $20-$30 range for those looking for larger, heavier knives in the Chinese Kershaw and CRKT realm. Personally, most of them are beefier and clunkier than something I'd chose to carry but for some knife users they can make an OK beater knife.

Now, I wonder how long it'll take for some insults to be hurled my way because my opinion on the knives doesn't match that of the BBK enthusiasts driving this thread? I'm beginning to think the worst thing about BBK is that they inexplicably spawn incivility in people who come in contact with them. Must be something in the steel?

I've got zero issue with this post . I'm not a BBK cheerleader or fanboy . I don't deny their limitations . BBK is not one of my top, go to brands like Cold Steel , Spyderco , and Kai . But at $20 , I think they are worth giving a try . But only provided that you like their "custom designs ". For me , they are just an interesting and fun change of pace .

You experience with the Crossfire is somewhat similar to the Harbinger model that I hard used and even abused in throwing . It got so it wouldn't lock up and was definitely unsafe in that condition . I had to completely disassemble , which is not so easy as it should be on these knives . Had to bend in the liner lock , so that it would solidly encage . Then got overtravel and lock stick and required a lot of fussy adjustment . May have rotated the stop pin . I finally got it to function , but the centering isn't pretty . I'm not real great at repairs , I just fiddle with the ones that are otherwise to be trashed . Still , it proved to me that these are fairly tough knives . Many much more expensive knives would have been broken beyond repair .

 

[bearfacedkiller]

And that's applies how to getting a knife with a defect? Apples and oranges.

My point is that most dealers would like to get it right the first time and avoid the return hassle and that I had an experience were they were very accommodating with a low cost knife.

I agree that it would be great if dealers inspected all knives before shipping out but they do not. People tend to have varying expectations, especially with a $20 knife, so I presume they just ship them out and hope for the best and deal with it on the return side. I do believe that they would welcome you sharing your expectations at the time of the sale though. Of course that is your decision and I am not telling you what to do but just sharing what I would do.

You are free to disagree and I am not trying to argue but rather just sharing my opinion for the sake of discussion. I should have maybe just kept my opinion to myself considering the argumentative tone of this thread.

 

[panoz77]

My point is that most dealers would like to get it right the first time and avoid the return hassle and that I had an experience were they were very accommodating with a low cost knife.

I agree that it would be great if dealers inspected all knives before shipping out but they do not. People tend to have varying expectations, especially with a $20 knife, so I presume they just ship them out and hope for the best and deal with it on the return side. I do believe that they would welcome you sharing your expectations at the time of the sale though. Of course that is your decision and I am not telling you what to do but just sharing what I would do.

You are free to disagree and I am not trying to argue but rather just sharing my opinion for the sake of discussion. I should have maybe just kept my opinion to myself considering the argumentative tone of this thread.

I understand what you are saying, but this pretty much sums it up in your post.

"People tend to have varying expectations, especially with a $20 knife, so I presume they just ship them out and hope for the best and deal with it on the return side."

 

[DocJD]

My point is that most dealers would like to get it right the first time and avoid the return hassle and that I had an experience were they were very accommodating with a low cost knife.

I agree that it would be great if dealers inspected all knives before shipping out but they do not. People tend to have varying expectations, especially with a $20 knife, so I presume they just ship them out and hope for the best and deal with it on the return side. I do believe that they would welcome you sharing your expectations at the time of the sale though. Of course that is your decision and I am not telling you what to do but just sharing what I would do.

You are free to disagree and I am not trying to argue but rather just sharing my opinion for the sake of discussion. I should have maybe just kept my opinion to myself considering the argumentative tone of this thread.

Not sure I've ever seen a non argumentative thread , but this one got worse than I really expected . There's not even a copy or clone mentioned , either . Not sure exactly what all the fuss is about .

 

[danbot]

If you are referring to "crap" in general I would agree. BBK's are in most cases not "crap". I got one with lock stick, otherwise it was very nice and a replacement is on the way. I guess all benchmades are also "crap" since they have a well known reputation for putting out knives with poor QC at 5-10x the price?

Example
https://www.bladeforums.com/threads/benchmade-940-2-qc-issue.1535150/

If a Benchmade or any brand of knife for that matter has obvious unacceptable flaws, then in my opinion it is crap that should not be sold. It is very unfortunate for everyone when a seriously flawed knife makes it into the end users hands at full retail price. It can and does make some people very angry, and that is never good for business!