Bad Blood Blowout =Stocking Stuffers !

craytab · Dec 12, 2017

panoz77 said:
I see several people saying these have poor reviews and QC. The reviews I see are quite the opposite of that and so is my personal experience with them. Although, most users here can find faults with $500 folders regarding blade centering and grinds that are off, so I guess it all depends on what a person considers "acceptable" QC.

The Ontario Utilitac looks like an awesome value knife as well. I've got one on my wish list.

The bad blood knife I had was exactly what I would expect in a $20 knife. Charging more than $20 is not reasonable. The Utilitac I I delivers above its price point.

panoz77 · Dec 12, 2017

austonh said:
The Dreadnaught my friend bought was quite honestly atrocious, but that was a few years ago so perhaps they have improved quality.

Another collab they did a few years ago that is no longer talked about was the (David Mosier/Sean Kendrick) Burning Horizon; that one was pretty good.

Atrocious how? Mine flips open smooth and easy, blade grind is perfect and sharp, centering is perfect, besides re-profiling the spine of the blade (which reduced the overall width and a tiny bit of weight), I also reduced the size of the flipper tab, it was way big for what is needed to flip it open. I also rounded the edges of the G-10 scales, which made the ergos in the hand much improved. The scale edges were very angular on it from the factory.

panoz77 · Dec 12, 2017

craytab said:
The bad blood knife I had was exactly what I would expect in a $20 knife. Charging more than $20 is not reasonable. The Utilitac I I delivers above its price point.

I think they deliver above a $20 price point, but you have your opinion, and I have mine. I'm sure the Utilitac performs above it's price point as well. I have several Rat 1's and feel the exact same about their performance for the price.

austonh · Dec 12, 2017

panoz77 said:
Atrocious how? Mine flips open smooth and easy, blade grind is perfect and sharp, centering is perfect, besides re-profiling the spine of the blade (which reduced the overall width and a tiny bit of weight), I also reduced the size of the flipper tab, it was way big for what is needed to flip it open. I also rounded the edges of the G-10 scales, which made the ergos in the hand much improved. The scale edges were very angular on it from the factory.

Uneven grind, lock rock, screws were soft and stripped, lock bar was at 100% lockup. Again, it was a few years ago, perhaps they are better now...

marcinek · Dec 12, 2017

panoz77 said:
Atrocious how? Mine flips open smooth and easy, blade grind is perfect and sharp, centering is perfect, besides re-profiling the spine of the blade (which reduced the overall width and a tiny bit of weight), I also reduced the size of the flipper tab, it was way big for what is needed to flip it open. I also rounded the edges of the G-10 scales, which made the ergos in the hand much improved. The scale edges were very angular on it from the factory.

So it was great except for the thick blade geometry, the bad flipper tab, and the scales, all of which you needed to reprofile.

Sounds atrocious.

I can get an Opinel for about half the price and not need to change anything.

GermanyChris · Dec 12, 2017

panoz77 said:
Atrocious how? Mine flips open smooth and easy, blade grind is perfect and sharp, centering is perfect, besides re-profiling the spine of the blade (which reduced the overall width and a tiny bit of weight), I also reduced the size of the flipper tab, it was way big for what is needed to flip it open. I also rounded the edges of the G-10 scales, which made the ergos in the hand much improved. The scale edges were very angular on it from the factory.

I get that you like them but I'm not sure this is a very good argument, you reprofiled the blade, futzed with the flipper tab and fixed the ergos. So for a person without a grinder you just ordered ~$100 worth of work to get the knife right.

craytab · Dec 12, 2017

marcinek said:
So it was great except for the thick blade geometry, the bad flipper tab, and the scales, all of which you needed to reprofile.

Sounds atrocious.

I can get an Opinel for about half the price and not need to change anything.

Exactly. If you have to change so much about a knife, is the value there?

Didn't have to change a thing on the old Utilitac II.

marcinek · Dec 12, 2017

DocJD said:
These aren't in the Mora marketing niche . The whole idea of Bad Blood Knives was to offer factory value versions of named designer custom knives . Something a bit different and unusual . If you've never owned or even handled one , it's awesome that you can judge their quality from afar !

It seems worth revisiting this in lieu of the extensive mods panoz needed to make his functional.

It is awesome to be able to judge a knife by looking at it. Then you don't spend money on it and have to make extensive mods on it to make it usable.

If one like making extensive mods, that's fine, but to say a $20 knife is a great value if you put a couple hours of time into it, then what you are really saying is that it's really a great value as a $5 knife.

DocJD · Dec 12, 2017

Some of the bad reviews of Bad Blood Knives might be for their cheaper "non-designer" knives that sell normally for <$10 ?

As far as knife mods , I see you guys raving and drooling when some high end knife gets mods . Nobody uses the logic that if you want to mod then the original must be junk . What a bunch of double standard hypocrites !

panoz77 · Dec 12, 2017

GermanyChris said:
I get that you like them but I'm not sure this is a very good argument, you reprofiled the blade, futzed with the flipper tab and fixed the ergos. So for a person without a grinder you just ordered ~$100 worth of work to get the knife right.

I didn't re-profile the blade, I removed the sharp angle on the spine and rounded it for "looks" nothing more than my preference on what I wanted the blade to look like. Anyone with a $20 dremel could do what I did even without a 1x30". It was not even remotely close to $100 worth of work, and I did it for my personal preference. The rounding of the scales took all of 5 minutes and could be done with sandpaper. The flipper tab again was a personal preference thing. I also agree with DocJ on the hypocritical statements, LOL. What a joke.

panoz77 · Dec 12, 2017

panoz77 said:
This is the Dreadnaught with a little blade spine re-profile.

You can also see in the bottom pic the "extensive" mods I did to the flipper tab. I also forgot, I rounded off the butt of the knife as well, another whole 5 minutes of extensive modification.

craytab · Dec 12, 2017

DocJD said:
Some of the bad reviews of Bad Blood Knives might be for their cheaper "non-designer" knives that sell normally for <$10 ?

As far as knife mods , I see you guys raving and drooling when some high end knife gets mods . Nobody uses the logic that if you want to mod then the original must be junk . What a bunch of double standard hypocrites !

panoz77 said:
I didn't re-profile the blade, I removed the sharp angle on the spine and rounded it for "looks" nothing more than my preference on what I wanted the blade to look like. Anyone with a $20 dremel could do what I did even without a 1x30". It was not even remotely close to $100 worth of work, and I did it for my personal preference. The rounding of the scales took all of 5 minutes and could be done with sandpaper. The flipper tab again was a personal preference thing. I also agree with DocJ on the hypocritical statements, LOL. What a joke.

Please show evidence when calling people hypocrites.

I've had the brand. The original price was $40-$50, msrp higher. The damn thing was worth about $20. Sorry if that upsets some folks.

marcinek · Dec 12, 2017

DocJD said:
Some of the bad reviews of Bad Blood Knives might be for their cheaper "non-designer" knives that sell normally for <$10 ?

As far as knife mods , I see you guys raving and drooling when some high end knife gets mods . Nobody uses the logic that if you want to mod then the original must be junk . What a bunch of double standard hypocrites !

Its too bad you feel the need to resort to personal insults. :thumbsdown:

I believe that is against the rules.

I don;t think you are understanding the nature of mods. If one changes the color of a knife's scales from red to black, that is just aesthetics and preference. If one needs to make changes to make up for bad design, then the knife is no good regardless of price.

marcinek · Dec 12, 2017

craytab said:
Please show evidence when calling people hypocrites.

I've had the brand. The original price was $40-$50, msrp higher. The damn thing was worth about $20. Sorry if that upsets some folks.

Sounds like you got lucky and didn't need to take a Dremel to it!

Again, if I have $20 knife and I need to spend a half hour making it usable, then my time just made the thing cost at least $30. So it isn't a good value at $20.

I too would like to see examples of this hypocrisy you two are seeing. Show us these people modding hish end, quality knives because they have to.

Heck, show me someone modding an Opinel because they have to.

PirateSeulb · Dec 12, 2017

DocJD I will drool over the craftsmanship of modding done and I understand modding to get a particular aesthetic especially if it is an interchangeable part that allows the knife to return to factory specs. I can also drool over a mod and still question why they got a knife that they needed to mod. We all sometimes buy a knife and don't really like it and maybe we don't want to throw it away maybe we need a project so we mod it there are reasons and it is easy to see a reason not to toss the knife when it cost more upfront. Sure the person could sell it, likely at a loss, or maybe trade it to get something else but modding it if they have the skill and or money might turn a $300 mistake into $400 perfection that would make more sense than a $20 mistake into a $120 user.

DocJD · Dec 12, 2017

I own a Spyderco Vallotton Sub-hilt that I added a zip-tie to wave . So the original must have been flawed in design ?

I make minor mods on many of my knives , guns etc just to make them more useful and/or pleasing and personal .

panoz77 · Dec 12, 2017

marcinek said:
Sounds like you got lucky and didn't need to take a Dremel to it!

Again, if I have $20 knife and I need to spend a half hour making it usable, then my time just made the thing cost at least $30. So it isn't a good value at $20.

I too would like to see examples of this hypocrisy you two are seeing. Show us these people modding hish end, quality knives because they have to.

Heck, show me someone modding an Opinel because they have to.

I guess unlike some here, I enjoy modding a knife to my personal preference. These mods were not about need or "have to", but rather want. I find value, education and entertainment in making modifications to my preference. You all are putting words in my mouth that are not in my statements but making claims to support your "argument" that are false.

panoz77 · Dec 12, 2017

dkb45 said:
If a thousand dollar knife needs significant modifications to not suck as a knife, then it is a scam from the start. I'm sorry, but Medford knives are kind of a joke to me. D2 for a knife over $300 with blade stock so thick that it can't cut more than paper with any efficiency? I'd have to be high to want that. His factory edges are said to be great, which they have to be otherwise the knife literally won't cut, I mean he uses nearly quarter inch stock on almost all knives.

marcinek · Dec 12, 2017

DocJD said:
I own a Spyderco Vallotton Sub-hilt that I added a zip-tie to wave . So the original must have been flawed in design ?

I make minor mods on many of my knives , guns etc just to make them more useful and/or pleasing and personal .

Did it open well without the zip tie?

Then there was no flaw and you modded it because you wanted to, not needed to. Which is my point.

marcinek · Dec 12, 2017

panoz77 said:
I guess unlike some here, I enjoy modding a knife to my personal preference. These mods were not about need or "have to", but rather want. I find value, education and entertainment in making modifications to my preference. You all are putting words in my mouth that are not in my statements but making claims to support your "argument" that are false.

Good for you. I would imagine if want a "knife" just to practice mods on, like one of these Bad Bloods, you can get one for less than their price.