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BAD- [strike]MeatyBacchus478[/strike] frankp
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Meat, feel bad for you - sorry you had to deal with this. Amazing that the seller refuses to listen to everyone - incl the mods. Talk about stubborn. I now have another seller to add to my ignore list. May not prove to really matter though; because the seller seems so irrational and hardheaded that he will be banned.
Frank you are wrong here buddy. The Paypal fees are YOURS to pay, not the buyer. I'm not sure how many times we're going to ahve to say this, but it's a fact. Read the Paypal screen where you send money. It says "Seller Fees" and "Buyer Fees". They always land on the seller.
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I truly do not understand what the hang up on the oil is about. Apart from what should be little more than the smallest inconvenience of wiping some excess oil off of the knife, a clean, basic oil, by itself, will in NO way will affect the integrity the knife.
A few seconds with a clean cotton cloth should easily remove 90% of the oil. A blast or two of compressed air (if needed) will take care of most of the rest.
As for the sharpie mark, it seems that it was already there originally, and can be just as easily removed.
A few seconds with a clean cotton cloth should easily remove 90% of the oil. A blast or two of compressed air (if needed) will take care of most of the rest.
As for the sharpie mark, it seems that it was already there originally, and can be just as easily removed.
What Mctrinket said;
At first I did not like that the knife came back in a different state than it left in, but with all the facts out about the misrepresenting as "new" , The purchaser needs to be refunded immediately.
Just my 2 cents
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I only "laughed" at the fact that you were implying that you were honest because you were a cop. That is ludicrous. I take the position that indeed there is NOTHING wrong with the knife that you received and I take issue with the fact that you returned it covered in oil. For that reason I said Jake will think I :"fucked with it". The REASON I said I will pay for all repairs is because I believe Jake with agree that the knife is without any fault...Except from the oil bath which to ME was significant.
So will the forum members ever find out if the knife truly was faulty? That would be the true test and I was willing to pay for that.
So will the forum members ever find out if the knife truly was faulty? That would be the true test and I was willing to pay for that.
Op you keep dancing around the question of what do you think oil will do to "compromise" the knife and just keep at the "oil soaked" returned knife as the reason you won't do a refund.
I myself would like to know how that will adversely affect the knife?
I myself would like to know how that will adversely affect the knife?
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I've always been able to wipe oil off metal knives with just a soft absorbent rag. The blue sharpie will come off too, with a bit of solvent.
Thought I already posted this.. If I didn't here goes...
Is funny how it now becomes your responsibility to clean the entire knife before sending it out again - you can use what I wrote below in the next post
The fact that it was oiled means a couple of things
One - who ever has it next will need to disassemble it to clean it - which in may cases will void the warranty
2 - the lock bar will stick like hell (which is probably the reason for the sharpie)
Three - he says "I oil all my knives" so he admits its his and that he chose to oil it as if it were his own - but then decides no I want to return it - mind u never mentioning that it has been oiled to heck
One would assume that PRIOR to oiling the crap out of the blade AS IF IT WAS YOURS you would be darn sure you meant to keep it.
Normally ANYTHING that changes a knife how it was originally received means u can't send it back and claim a refund. Especially a change that will now require a full disassembly and cleaning. I fail to see why something HE did to the knife now becomes YOUR responsibility to fix
Dude, you don't have to accept anything. If it isn't right, it isn't right. I am going to say something here, if this situation is not corrected reasonably in light of both parties (50/50) the seller may end up getting banned permanently from bladeforums. You might consiThat extra 3% would have saved everyone from this headache that we see play out over, and over, and no one seems to be paying attention and learning anything from. Amazing.
Frank you need to find some middle ground, and that means reasonable. Shipping an item back and forth like this is a sure fire way to waste more money and more time. I'd suggest you refund the buyer his money, less some shipping costs and that will be that (so long as the buyer agrees). Inaccurately listing a knife as new when it's passed through a couple owners hands, not verifying the condition, and then selling and blaming someone for your lack of action is not a good idea, and not tolerated here. It's the sellers responsibility to list the item properly to begin with, full disclosure. Buying and then turning around and flipping a knife isn't a smart idea either. This isn't eBay, it's a community that runs on honesty and integrity. I hope you realize the amount of damage you are doing to your own rep here Frank. In your fervor to state your case, you ended up shooting yourself in the foot by leaving out important mistakes YOU made.
If you cannot decide on some resolution other than forcing an item on someone that was for fully described, I'll make the decision.
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I can clean the damn thing up perfectly without taking it apart. A soft rag, some Q Tips and a can of compressed air will have it dry as a bone in short order. Oil isn't as hard to remove from an all metal knife as you're acting like it is.
Frank has a point, he oiled it like he would his own, that says a lot.
And how do we know the buyer didn't try to fix the "play" issue on his own and messed up, as was stated before.
It wasn't sent back, as it was sent, seller seems to have a right not to accept.
And how do we know the buyer didn't try to fix the "play" issue on his own and messed up, as was stated before.
It wasn't sent back, as it was sent, seller seems to have a right not to accept.
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Probably sealed bearings on a knife costing over a 1000, I'd think. Blow compressed air in and if they're sealed it's going to come out and have no effect on the bearings. I doubt it would hurt them anyway.
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I would have been fine being out the shipping costs. He sent me an email advising the knife was picked up and enroute to me 1hr ago.
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For someone who seems to be here almost exclusively to buy/sell knives, you would think Frankp would be putting in more of an effort to preserve his reputation. The way things are going, this appears to end one way: Frankp keeps his money, Meat gets the knife fixed by Jake, and Frankp gets banned and tarnishes his reputation here and on USN. Not sure how that appears to be the most appealing choice to him.
REVDEVIL you have ALWAYS been very fair and I appreciate that. I sent him a perfect knife without any problems. I believe what he experienced may have been something common in many new knives. I did not experience it the A8 however. He is saying he did. To me when my perfect knife was now returned to me dripping with oil which changed the finish to a much darker color and got into the bearings and the lock face this was grounds to return the knife. He is saying he did nothing else to the knife how can I be sure? In figured paying to send it to Jake was the best bet. This way the man who made it could see if indeed anything was truly wrong with it. I NEVER misrepresented the condition as it was perfect. To me it was bought as new and it was new.
I have tried to email Meat but he will not answer. Yesterday, I informed him I would be returning the knife today through email and no response. I did not want more time to elapse with it in my possession so it was mailed like I told him all along.
I truly hope I am NOT banned from a forum for sending a perfect knife and receiving back a knife not as I sent it then being upset. I am not hiding ANYTHING! I have repeatedly stated I'll pay to have it sent back to Jake . This way we can see if indeed something is wrong with it!
Thanks Meat......Frank is banned from my dealings......hope he is banned from this forum....Frank welcome to ban-hammer!! A month plus ago Frank sold me a Tanic....no problems there as knife was exactly as described. However, his reasoning for selling was to buy a Blount from a buddy he had been badgering forever to let go. Literally within one day...or maybe even after the same day as received.....he turned and burned the Blount!! If I was his bud I'd be seriously miffed he had sold the knife he had pried from my hands.....'nough said!!
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