Bad trade with gnw1209: no comm. or knife

Whether the trade situations have been "fixed" or not would depend upon one's definition of fixed. Knives have been returned to their owners but I am not aware of many (any?) of these knives being returned in the same condition in which they were sent. Fortunately my knife wasn't destroyed, but there is a substantial difference in value between new and used....

Good point. Perhaps "fixed" isn't the correct word for the situation. It's good to hear that knives are being returned, but it also sucks that they're being returned in a lesser condition. It'd be really nice to hear how he will right these situations, but I fear that this might be how it ends.
 
Trust your own behavior. In dealing with a new member, ask them to ship first. If they won't, think about why. Time and again we see people jump on a good sale or a good trade and find it WAS too good to be be true, it WAS a scam.

gnw1209 may need or deserve a better upbringing. But we are not his parents, his family, his community. He has no place here. HE forfeited OUR trust.
 
If your goal is to get your knife (or the value of it) back, then looks like it has been achieved, mostly. Now you just need to figure out the cost of his damage to your knife and decide if you want to sock grandma for that amount.

But, if your goal is to teach him a lesson, you should have turned this over to the authorities. Yeah, he might just get a slap on the wrist, but at least he learned that scamming some faceless people on the Internet can bring REAL legal consequences.

What he learned today:
- He's not entirely anonymous on the Internet (correct)
- If he messes someone else's property, he can make it right simply by returning it (incorrect)
- People will always cut him slack when he messes up (incorrect)
- Grandma will always be there to bail him out (incorrect)
 
It is not our goal to teach him a lesson.
It is our goal to protect ourselves from him.

Mission accomplished.
 
What about reporting this to http://www.ic3.gov/default.aspx, the Internet Crime Complaint Center (IC3) (partnership between the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), the National White Collar Crime Center (NW3C), and the Bureau of Justice Assistance (BJA)). I found this address on another thread from this website. People were dealing with another con artist, and suggested this action.
 
Has anyone asked the Grandmother if Garrett will be made to pay back all the postage costs that members put out in order to send knives to him?
 
Has anyone asked the Grandmother if Garrett will be made to pay back all the postage costs that members put out in order to send knives to him?

It would probably end up being the grandmother that would end up paying the costs. She may do so with the expectations that she will be paid back, but this kid seems like the type that would leave her out the money.
 
Good luck to everyone in sorting this out. Maybe in the future only trade with people that are paying members if their post count is low.

take care and hope all goes well with everyone.

aj
 
though if ya only have 5 or 10 posts it might make me think twice but other than that post count doesnt matter to me, i have dealt with a lotta good folks who had less than 50 posts, so i dont think that is any indicator of the possiblity of getting ripped off.
 
though if ya only have 5 or 10 posts it might make me think twice but other than that post count doesnt matter to me, i have dealt with a lotta good folks who had less than 50 posts, so i dont think that is any indicator of the possiblity of getting ripped off.

I agree with what your saying, but people should look at it.

aj
 
and i do but again unless ya have like 2 posts are something thats not a deal breaker to me, and even then i will sometimes still do it, imho most folks on this forum arent out to get to anyone, or rip 'em off, but ya do have to be carefull.
 
I got my One-Hand-Trekker back yesterday, so no harm done on my end.

Hopefully this young man has learned something about trust and integrity.
 
For all you gents who are hoping that the little tool in question will feel sorry, contrite, humbled, apologetic, etc, I'll share this with you.

As a landlord in distressed communities, which is a polite way of saying that I own a couple buildings in shitty neighborhoods with shitty tenants, I can tell you that once someone has committed to scamming people, their ability to be remorseful about bad behavior is right out the window. It's gone.

I see this kid as akin to any other addict. His perception of reality is as follows - reality is as he wants it to be, not as a collective observation would assess it. When he says he did not use the knives, it's possible that in fact he truly believes, at that moment, he did not use the knives. He will admit quietly that he did, but when it comes time for a public admission he will scream up and down that this is not the case.

Our legal system is currently designed to coddle degenerates like this. Whether the behavior is compulsive lying, as in this case, or a crack habit, the addict is treated as a victim and therefore it is possible to rehabilitate him.

Having witnessed firsthand that lack of essential civility and decency on a grand scale, in one case the destruction of the inside of a house and the burning of a garage, I can tell you that someone engaged in behavior like this will not change voluntarily. The pain felt must outweigh the need to engage in poor behavior. Petty and not so petty theft is a natural to people who have a compulsive entitlement attitude.

I'm glad to see him "permabanned," whatever that means. The little toad engaged in such enterprise will not change, since currently Grandma is covering for him. That is a noble thing for her to do, and frankly, as the guardian it's the correct thing, since legally she's responsible for this mess. I doubt highly that she has actively sought to foster it, but her admission that the kid has a problem with lying tells me, and this is only from the point of view that I can get by reading this, is that she is used to dealing with bullshit like this, and she's terrified of letting him bear some real consequence on his own nutsack.

Grandma, I'm really sorry about this, if you are reading this, but goddamnit, you need to man up a little here. If the kid does not have some harsh reality injected here, odds are he will continue to behave like this.

Note that some of the lads here have local friends, and the implication that not all of their friends are as well-behaved as we collectively are. That MAY be a knee-jerk reaction, but imagine the pleasantry of a visit from someone fairly local, and now pissed off, about the theft of a knife worth several hundred dollars, proof in hand of such theft, and your grandson stalling for time on the front porch. Sound like fun?

What if the dispute was over drugs? I suggest that this is a genuine possibility and acting like this while drug money is involved, we've all seen how that works out.

Or perhaps it is instructive to think about how some people of high emotions may react when Garret tries to steal money from someone's house at a party, or starts writing bad checks, pulling shennanigans like this with stolen property and selling/ trading it with local bad guys. He is going to eventually get really fucking stomped but good.

He's not going to change with Grandma wistfully complaining that he has a problem with telling the truth and frankly, based on his behavior, I'd get that kid in for some drug testing today, and then also testing for any other chemical imbalances. I'd followed by a visit to social services for recommendations for a "reality check" boot camp. The state tends to pay for such things and not only will his excess energy be drained off, but he'll be exposed to an atmosphere where his retarded behavior will meet immediate consequences without fear of genuine physical harm.
 
How do you know if someone is" banned" or "permabanned" ? Am I looking for a list or is it posted somewhere else? Thanks
 
I read this thread yesterday, and today while browsing the Walk The Plank Forum, I saw -

herbert.G - just got a Sassin the Mods infraction, which led me to investigate and find he is the returned scammer gnw1209. Banned again.

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=655416


http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7221811&postcount=7

So he's trying to ply his chosen trade again???

Sounds like its time for the police to be involved. He clearly didnt learn his lesson.
 
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