Balls_tothe_Walls (Heath Helton) is a scammer

I'm not quite following any of your logic, the situation is pretty simple. Heath is either:

1. a lying sack of shit scumbag who scammed all of us

2. not a lying sack of shit, just a careless dude at the wrong place at the wrong time

If he is option 2, then we're all getting our shit back and and life goes on. Some of y'all definitely have some karma catching up to do.

If he is option 1, then none of us are getting jack shit. At least the way it's being handled now, there's SOME recourse to SOME people getting their shit back.

I'm not seeking justice, I'm seeking results. Something is better than nothing is how I see it. If you have better solutions, please proceed with them. You guys can continue playing vigilante, all I'm looking for is $$$ back to the "victims". I don't care if it's 100% or 10%, anything is more productive than what's going on here.
 
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Boru13 said:
Here's a copy of an email that Heath sent to a forum member a little over a month ago... anyone that deals with him or has any sympathy for him deserves what they get.


“Hello ****,

I'm sure you're still wondering where the funds are. And indeed, they'll be in route soon enough. Yet not until the 90 days have made its rounds. See, most people have received their refunds (because they weren't little assholes, nor cried about it). And many more are receiving daily now. But since there was just so much slander onto my name on your end, you will most certainly also be getting served some paperwork, by my lawyers as well. Since I'm such an "inferior", oh and also an "asshole.". Hope this doesn't rain too much on your parade, as in the end, you'll still receive your money! You see, id have loved to handle this 1:1, however, due to the bladeforums thread, along with the threats to myself and my job (funnily enough, as I own majority of my business, so that all did absolutely nothing), my lawyers advised me against responding to you lot. Also, feel free to let them know as well. Because now, a couple of the BF moderators will be tied up in my court case also. Win-win as I see it. Anyhow, "doc", I'll be seeing you soon, I'm certain. Have a blessed day,

- Heath.”
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Yes Heath sounds like is a wonderful person.
Thanks B13.

Hey Reddit, if your "team" over there has any sort of decency you would freeze Heath's ability to sell stolen knives and make him pay what he owes everyone. Otherwise your group is complacent in helping a liar and thief steal from more people. It's quite sad. Sad indeed
 
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redditguy said:
I'm not quite following any of your logic, the situation is pretty simple. Heath is either:

1. a lying sack of shit scumbag who scammed all of us

2. he's not a lying sack of shit, just a careless dude at the wrong place at the wrong time

If he is option 2, then we're all getting our shit back and and life goes on. Some of y'all definitely have some karma catching up to do.

If he is option 1, then none of us are getting jack shit. At least the way it's being handled now, there's SOME recourse to SOME people getting their shit back.

I'm not seeking justice, I'm seeking results. Something is better than nothing is how I see it. If you have better solutions, please proceed with them.
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You aren't seeing it at all are you. He is trying to string everyone a long because his scam got caught. If people are out what they say, he could do time. That is why there are some results.

He's a scammer and he got caught and he knows it. He's trying to make it right now to avoid the authorities getting involved. Your community is letting him sell stolen property to accomplish this.
 
redditguy said:
I'm not quite following any of your logic, the situation is pretty simple. Heath is either:

1. a lying sack of shit scumbag who scammed all of us

2. not a lying sack of shit, just a careless dude at the wrong place at the wrong time

If he is option 2, then we're all getting our shit back and and life goes on. Some of y'all definitely have some karma catching up to do.

If he is option 1, then none of us are getting jack shit. At least the way it's being handled now, there's SOME recourse to SOME people getting their shit back.

I'm not seeking justice, I'm seeking results. Something is better than nothing is how I see it. If you have better solutions, please proceed with them. You guys can continue playing vigilante, all I'm looking for is $$$ back to the "victims". I don't care if it's 100% or 10%, anything is more productive than what's going on here.
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You facilitate and endorse Heath Helton selling stolen knives on Reddit so that you and your fellows on Reddit can be reimbursed for the knives he stole from you.

Got it.

I just wanted your position to be clearly represented.
 
lol if you say so man. If you guys quit your circle jerking just for a second, you'd see there really isn't a divide in community for victims. There's been plenty of BF, IG, FB, reddit dudes who have been reimbursed, but just like you don't go around and give your PO a thumbs up on Yelp for them delivering your mail on time, what you end up reading are biased viewpoints. But hey, you do you, you can quote me out of context all you want. You read what you want to read.

I've already said, if there is substantial evidence that's more than hearsay that supports your case, we are more than open to reinstating a permanent ban. At the end of the day, this is one event (while large) with a lot of cloudiness in details that only Heath can speak to. I'm not here to clear the air on the exact state of his situation because I have no idea. Yes, I could just be a gullible fool being strung along by a supervillain, who knows. I think both sides handled it poorly, which is why it escalated to the point it did... the best way we've found to see results is to be cooperative. We will hand out a ban if necessary but will also continue our standpoint against doxxing, harassment, and slandering and operate with reddit TOS.

Have a day Russell.
 
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Because of the age difference between Heath and many of us, there is a huge generation gap.
If we screwed up at his age, and tried to garner help, we would have been beaten twice as hard.
We learned to solve problems in the moment, and on our own. There was no other option.
I pity these young guys floundering around, trying to join allies, and yet so impotent in their attempt to control their own personal lives.
 
redditguy said:
I'm not quite following any of your logic, the situation is pretty simple. Heath is either:

1. a lying sack of shit scumbag who scammed all of us

2. not a lying sack of shit, just a careless dude at the wrong place at the wrong time

If he is option 2, then we're all getting our shit back and and life goes on. Some of y'all definitely have some karma catching up to do.

If he is option 1, then none of us are getting jack shit. At least the way it's being handled now, there's SOME recourse to SOME people getting their shit back.

I'm not seeking justice, I'm seeking results. Something is better than nothing is how I see it. If you have better solutions, please proceed with them. You guys can continue playing vigilante, all I'm looking for is $$$ back to the "victims". I don't care if it's 100% or 10%, anything is more productive than what's going on here.
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You and everyone else owed money should attempt repayment through all the lawful means available to you. Repayment however does not in itself clear Heath. If you get caught robbing a bank all is not fine if you give the money back. If you scam and get caught all is not good if you give the money back. Both are better if you do then don't.

Not related to the quote- I have yet to see one of these scam threads where the guy didn't have lawyers that were going to sue everyone for slander including moderator and forum.
 
Murdamook said:
Just your friendly neighborhood banker here again. I can, again, only speak to the policies of the bank for which I work, but, if a transaction were returned to a closed account, the money would be rebound back to PayPal and they would either provide a refund via cashiers check or ACH deposit. If the money actually hit said “closed” account-which would only be possible while said closed account is in a “pending close” status-then the account would remain in a “pending close” status until the individual could step into a branch and retrieve the funds or provide a bank-by-mail request for a cashier’s check and an account closure. Returning funds to a closed account is not something that is possible and those funds would be sent back to PayPal for them to redistribute.

If Heath’s PayPal was hacked then why did he initially point to his credit card, claim the thieves took 18k, then say he was working with his bank? These things do not match up. As a banker, I would instruct a customer to reach out to authorities at this point. As a person with a mass of knowledge that comes from 6 years in banking, this still seems like a scam to me.
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Just speculating here, but I think there's a missing piece of the puzzle, (his story here) which is that he had previously reported fraudulent charges for which he had been reimbursed (identity theft or something he claimed). He then closed the account (again, supposedly).

The chargebacks that we're seeing happened after this. I'm not sure how any of this works, but I just find it strange that everyone is disputed for random amounts rather than the full transaction? Seems like a lot of work for him to do manually, not to mention this doesn't make any sense in the form of chargebacks. "yeah $631.32 of that $750 transaction is fraud". What exactly is the bank doing here? https://i.imgur.com/7uU8Q3J.png

I've filed chargebacks before, and it's always for the full amount. Maybe you can shed some light friendly neighborhood banker.
 
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Another question:

This was a transaction for the amount of $50 - https://i.imgur.com/VIGKWdK.png

This was for the amount of $880 - https://i.imgur.com/7uU8Q3J.png

Yet the transaction amounts are $897.93 and $51.49 according to PP. How in the world does that work? It's definitely less than PP fees if he paid through CC (it'd be $25.82 and $1.75 respectively), what wizardry is he doing here? Never mind the seemingly random dispute amounts.

All in all, it doesn't seem to be a simple chargeback dispute and looks to be some automated process. If you guys have the know how to clear the air of what exactly is going on, that would be appreciated.
 
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R redditguy
did you read heaths email he sent that the super mod posted? lets pretend heaths a legit guy and isnt up to no good....cause maybe he is and isnt.........but what does that email tell us about him. threats of legal team suits on mods and people he owes money to......nasty name calling.......pretty childish and nasty email to send to someone he owes money too...even if provoked......

hopefully in the end everyone owed money or knives etc is righted and life goes on........
 
jbmonkey said:
R redditguy
did you read heaths email he sent that the super mod posted? lets pretend heaths a legit guy and isnt up to no good....cause maybe he is and isnt.........but what does that email tell us about him. threats of legal team suits on mods and people he owes money to......nasty name calling.......pretty childish and nasty email to send to someone he owes money too...even if provoked......

hopefully in the end everyone owed money or knives etc is righted and life goes on........
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I see that email exactly how I hope the rest of you see it -- a childish and irresponsible reply to some childish and even more irresponsible actions.

I'm not saying it's everyone, but if you're one of the few who are doxxing him, threatening his family and work, and stalking/harassing the guy physically... and you turn out to be wrong, then I do hope he takes legal action. I sure as hell would, and I know you guys would too hopefully.

If you're handling this in a civil manner, then I hope you get your money and chargeback fee refunded in the end and let that be that.
 
redditguy said:
Another question:

This was a transaction for the amount of $50 - https://i.imgur.com/VIGKWdK.png

This was for the amount of $880 - https://i.imgur.com/7uU8Q3J.png

Yet the transaction amounts are $897.93 and $51.49 according to PP. How in the world does that work? It's definitely less than PP fees if he paid through CC (it'd be $25.82 and $1.75 respectively), what wizardry is he doing here? Never mind the seemingly random dispute amounts.

All in all, it doesn't seem to be a simple chargeback dispute and looks to be some automated process. If you guys have the know how to clear the air of what exactly is going on, that would be appreciated.
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Were you the seller on both of those tramsactions and were paid the same way for both?
 
redditguy said:
Additionally, a lot of you have complaints about communication. If you recall, he did try and communicate with you guys, and a lot of you privately, but you harassed him, attacked him, doxxed him, etc... all that mattered to you guys was that you were made right. Talk is cheap, you wanted the money and/or the knife back. And it's understandable to some degree.

reddit has a zero tolerance TOS for doxxing, something which is clearly not frowned upon here....
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R redditguy You may want to read or re-read the first 5 or so pages of this thread, several questions are asked and balls_tothe_wall responds and most/ all posters are receptive to his statements. The Op even changes the thread title at another members request as it appears at that time that the problem is not necessarily Balls... fault.

The Doxxing / "Harassment" or whatever did not begin until he went STONE COLD SILENT here, and then people started finding rather large holes in his story.

In my opinion the portion of your post I quoted above regarding communication doesn't hold any water.
 
I think everyone effected are sellers, so I'd be the seller in both transactions. The payments were received F&F (like everyone who is having issues). So he pays either using PP balance, bank/debit card, or CC (in which case he would pay fees). The latter seems the most likely, but the fees do not add up.

My guess is PP takes a small cut of the 3%, while CC takes the bigger half. What we're seeing is just the credit card portion being disputed. And I've got tracking info linked showing the package to be delivered to his address in his name, yet the chargeback still went through. This again sorta leads me to believe that it was indeed a financial institution led claim rather than an individual.

But I ain't no banker with years of xp.

Foghorn Leghorn Fan Foghorn Leghorn Fan Yeah I'm aware of the holes, and I've been asking about the holes, but accusing him of "liar give me my money!!" hasn't gotten me anywhere.

At this point, it's clear it's pointless to ask the guy to pay back $15k or whatever it is he owes, he either doesn't have it, or doesn't plan to do it out of pocket. He has already promised to deliver on some form of "hard proof of story", and we've given him a strict timeline to do so, so we'll see whether or not it surfaces.

But having an account aged less than a day and already being accused of random shit by members when I literally don't have a horse except for my own debt which I want to see paid just as much as the next guy, I can totally see why he's given up on responding here.
 
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redditguy said:
At this point, it's clear it's pointless to ask the guy to pay back $15k or whatever it is he owes, he either doesn't have it, or doesn't plan to do it out of pocket.
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I 100% disagree, if someone steals and then spends a chunk of money nobody is going to stop asking for repayment just because the thief has spent it all and ‘doesn’t have it’; that thief would go to court and be liable for the full amount plus whatever sentence the crime denotes, if found guilty.

As a third-party with no real bias I don’t see a shred of innocence yet.
 
redditguy said:
I think everyone effected are sellers, so I'd be the seller in both transactions. The payments were received F&F (like everyone who is having issues). So he pays either using PP balance, bank/debit card, or CC (in which case he would pay fees). The latter seems the most likely, but the fees do not add up.

My guess is PP takes a small cut of the 3%, while CC takes the bigger half. What we're seeing is just the credit card portion being disputed. And I've got tracking info linked showing the package to be delivered to his address in his name, yet the chargeback still went through. This again sorta leads me to believe that it was indeed a financial institution led claim rather than an individual.

But I ain't no banker with years of xp.

Foghorn Leghorn Fan Foghorn Leghorn Fan Yeah I'm aware of the holes, and I've been asking about the holes, but accusing him of "liar give me my money!!" hasn't gotten me anywhere.

At this point, it's clear it's pointless to ask the guy to pay back $15k or whatever it is he owes, he either doesn't have it, or doesn't plan to do it out of pocket. He has already promised to deliver on some form of "hard proof of story", and we've given him a strict timeline to do so, so we'll see whether or not it surfaces.

But having an account aged less than a day and already being accused of random shit by members when I literally don't have a horse except for my own debt which I want to see paid just as much as the next guy, I can totally see why he's given up on responding here.
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I'm confused why PayPal is referring to Heath as "the Buyer" in the letter. If he paid F&F, they would consider it a gift transaction.

I'm through asking questions, the answers only create more questions .

I truly hope you are made whole.
 
redditguy said:
I see that email exactly how I hope the rest of you see it -- a childish and irresponsible reply to some childish and even more irresponsible actions.

I'm not saying it's everyone, but if you're one of the few who are doxxing him, threatening his family and work, and stalking/harassing the guy physically... and you turn out to be wrong, then I do hope he takes legal action. I sure as hell would, and I know you guys would too hopefully.

If you're handling this in a civil manner, then I hope you get your money and chargeback fee refunded in the end and let that be that.
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You can't get sued for doxxing someone or calling them an ahole thief on the internet. Listing Heath's address notifies other people to not send knives to that address. When dealing with people on the internet you are dealing with people you do not know. You have no idea of their past, who they are, or what they are capable of. Stealing from strangers on the internet is a dangerous situation no matter how you look at it. I've been following this from the beginning with an open mind. I have 30 yrs Law Enforcement training and experience. I retired as a Lieutenant in 2008 from a 300+ man department, and now work for a small town. I investigate scams and thefts on a daily basis. Heath's story does not make sense, and when confronted he decided to not respond. Then we hear that Heath is selling knives on Reddit, please don't be so naive.
 
redditguy said:
But having an account aged less than a day and already being accused of random shit by members when I literally don't have a horse except for my own debt which I want to see paid just as much as the next guy, I can totally see why he's given up on responding here.
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I think you missed my point, Balls_tothe _wall quit responding here while most / all posting members were sympathetic to his problem, there was no Witch Hunt going on.
 
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