Bargain $10 26.5cm Australian Folder?

[Bastid]

listen mate - 3/4 of this forum is comments from people saying they don't like this knife. i understand that, and don't mind their opinions. however, when posting comments such as "these are garbage" and then being asked my me to stop posting negative comments about my knife this user has posted many more negative comments. I understand y u sent me an infraction, and u should have by the site rules - i am not disagreeing with that. I do however feel that you are biased towards phil and are siding with him paying out my knife inapproprately. I feel u are doing your job as moderator incorrectly in doing this.

Listen mate,

I really do not care how you feel. I do care about this forum the community here and how people conduct themselves when they are posting here. Yes I respect Phil, I have also come down on him in the past, your feelings of bias do not hold water.

This is not about Phil. He broke no rules in this thread, this is about YOUR BEHAVIOR HERE as well as the rules that you clearly broke and you would be much better off if you took responsibility for your behavior rather than make excuses. I and no other mod here assumes an obligation to try to control other members opinions because you do not like the opinions. I do have an obligation as a mod here to not let individuals drag this forum down to a level where personal insults are tolerated or accepted under any circumstances.

Any more complaints from you should be posted in the service and support forum.

One thing you need to understand is that I have been doing this for about 10 years. I know a trouble maker when I see one. Let me repeat since you still do not have the grasp of the situation. You have no right to post personal insults here. That is what you did. Because you chose to break the rules you were infracted.

It is that simple. Phil and others addressed your knives that you wanted opinions on. You attacked Phil personally. Show me in this thread where Phil or anyone else attacked you personally and I will infract them in a heartbeat. If I infract Phil for expressing an opinion on your knives that you did not like as you are suggesting, then I might agree with you that I am doing my job here incorrectly. I have made mistakes in the past and have admitted to them. This was not a mistake other than wasting my time trying to make you understand simple decency and sound behavior.

P.S. I am the only moderator of this particular forum at this time. You broke the clear and simple rules that have been established here. You got what you deserved.
If you think I am going to issue infractions to anyone for giving negative opinions of your knives when you asked for opinions, maybe this is not the forum that you will enjoy. You are more than welcome to take your silly defense to the owner.

I do hope you enjoy the knives and that they meet your needs. I also hope you grow up one day and take responsibility for what you do and what you say for your own good.

As far as "your side" of the story, it is all here for anyone to read. If you do not want to see negative comments about the knives, I suggest you not ask for opinions. Anyone of us can have what we think is the best knife made and there will be negative opinions that are expressed. That does not mean the knife is not best for you.


Gus Kalanzis

 

[Chris "Anagarika"]

I have a real chinese made that's at least put their own mark on the knives: san ren mu (www.srmknives.com). It's good steel, although at their 5-10$ price you won't find such consistency among same models like a Victorinox. However, for daily use, they can take edge.

Yours, however, looks the same with other Chinese copied cheap knives that put any brand on it, sometimes, even CRKT, Cold Steel, etc., labeled it as Made in America, and sold here to unknowningly customer as 'good knives' at 80$ or so, while in fact, they are poorer in quality than srmknives.

I say this based on your picture and personally checking out those Chinese copies at local shop that sells branded knives (CRKT, Cold Steel, Buck, etc.) original at 2-3 times the online price (such as 1sks.com). They also sell these Chinese copies pretending to be cheaper knives of such quality blades, so customer will buy it and they make big bucks out of it. I disrespect the shop due to this cheating behaviour. If only they sell original without the cheapo alongside, I can still consider it, as the cost of bringing them in + taxes, are quite high. However, since they try to cheat customers with these copies, I despise them.

The srm I got is from a local bookstore on the sporting section. They also sell other cheapos, but of better quality and not pretending it to be high end. The price range is 3-10$ only. So it's not cheating.

@Bastid,

Alas, I posted then I saw the warning. In any case, my review on the knives posted stays. They are of no quality to put it politely.

 

[mp510]

I would presume that knife is probably Chinese made. I have seen knives with a very similar design and look to them branded with several names and all were Chinese. For that price, assuming the quality is decent, you have a decent cheap user. If you were looking for a utilitarian tool,without spending much, then chances are you did OK. If you do end up disappointed, $10 is a pretty cheap lesson.

 

[Gus Kalanzis]

No worries Chis.

Just trying to convince this guy that personal and foul insults are not tolerated here and that we also do not try to suppress peoples opinions regarding knives.

If this guy want to be foul and insulting, we have other places here where he is free to do so without getting an infraction.

 

[huj900]

Gus i do agree on Bastid with one thing - the past posts do reveal what was said. i hope u had a look at them before jumping to too many conclusions. i have made my opinions and justifications in past posts - you may or may not agree with me, but it doesn't relli matter. I don't plan on breaking any forum 'rules' from now on. I understand that i was the only one to break a rule, but felt someone was having a go at me by continiously having a go at my knives calling them "garbage", etc even after i asked him to stop. but yeh i have no intention to be "foul and insulting". I appreciate the constructive criticistm stating that these knives may not be of great quality, and wish i hadn't ordered the extra couple. But yeh i think they'll be fun to play with in any case. you said that "we also do not try to suppress peoples opinions regarding knives", and i agree there probably shouldn't be any forced suppression, but it would be best if people told their opinions in a polite matter, not repeating "your knifes are garbage", "crap", "saying they are garbage is a complement". After each user says the knife is crap once i understand. there is no need to post it 15 times. I have also posted that i have NO OBJECTION to the infraction i have recieved. i admit i broke the rules and am not arguing against this. I am just stating that i think that phil acted very poorly moraly, even though he didn't swear or anything, i feel he instigated the problem has made several underhand attacks at my character while being careful to remain within the rules and on the moderators side, and has just been generally unfriendly.

I don't see any need to talk about this matter anymore. lets keep the chat friendly about knives. and as Bastid said, nobody can deny what was written, we obviously take different perspectives, if it matters 2 u feel free to read over it.

 

[Phil Elmore]

Yes, but your knives are crap. I mean, really, they're garbage. Did you wish to discuss them further?

 

[huj900]

I have a real chinese made that's at least put their own mark on the knives: san ren mu (www.srmknives.com). It's good steel, although at their 5-10$ price you won't find such consistency among same models like a Victorinox. However, for daily use, they can take edge.

Yours, however, looks the same with other Chinese copied cheap knives that put any brand on it, sometimes, even CRKT, Cold Steel, etc., labeled it as Made in America, and sold here to unknowningly customer as 'good knives' at 80$ or so, while in fact, they are poorer in quality than srmknives.

I say this based on your picture and personally checking out those Chinese copies at local shop that sells branded knives (CRKT, Cold Steel, Buck, etc.) original at 2-3 times the online price (such as 1sks.com). They also sell these Chinese copies pretending to be cheaper knives of such quality blades, so customer will buy it and they make big bucks out of it. I disrespect the shop due to this cheating behaviour. If only they sell original without the cheapo alongside, I can still consider it, as the cost of bringing them in + taxes, are quite high. However, since they try to cheat customers with these copies, I despise them.

The srm I got is from a local bookstore on the sporting section. They also sell other cheapos, but of better quality and not pretending it to be high end. The price range is 3-10$ only. So it's not cheating.

@Bastid,

Alas, I posted then I saw the warning. In any case, my review on the knives posted stays. They are of no quality to put it politely.

thanks. i'll have a look at srmknives.com u reccomend them or not really?

 

[huj900]

Yes, but your knives are crap. I mean, really, they're garbage. Did you wish to discuss them further?

i see no need for you to continue paying out my knives. you have made your point VERY CLEAR. and i understand your opinon. please stop repeating yourself. it is very rude. and no i would not like to discuss the knives further with you unless you have any form of CONSTRUCTIVE criticism, advice, or different perspectives.

 

[huj900]

I would presume that knife is probably Chinese made. I have seen knives with a very similar design and look to them branded with several names and all were Chinese. For that price, assuming the quality is decent, you have a decent cheap user. If you were looking for a utilitarian tool,without spending much, then chances are you did OK. If you do end up disappointed, $10 is a pretty cheap lesson.

thanks mate - i appreciate it. makes me feel a bit better about having baught.

 

[Phil Elmore]

i see no need for you to continue paying out my knives. you have made your point VERY CLEAR. and i understand your opinon. please stop repeating yourself. it is very rude. and no i would not like to discuss the knives further with you unless you have any form of CONSTRUCTIVE criticism, advice, or different perspectives.

I see no need for you to keep complaining about the fact that your knives are crap and you're not comfortable with this being identified. You did ask for the opinion, after all. As long as you keep insisting that people shouldn't comment on this, you're going to get further comments. I've not said anything that is rude; you, by contrast, were infracted for being rude. This is a public forum and I will state my opinion on the knives in question if I wish to do so.

Why is it so important to you that other people approve of these knives? Why do you consider criticism of those knives an "attack on your character?"

 

[Bastid]

So you point is I made a mistake by not infracting someone because someone broke one of your rules. I did not see your character attacked. I saw opinions on the knives when you solicited those opinions. I can not issue infractions because of what you feel shoot I can not issue them because of what I feel. I can issue them based on behavior here.

I am not on Phil's side. I am not on your side. I am on the side of keeping this place a respectable place for all ages and when someone uses the language you chose to use in a personal attack they are going to get clobbered via an infraction. In this thread your attitude comes across to me as someone who thinks they have a right to tear that atmosphere down.

Again by all means I hope you enjoy and get good use from those knives, but to think they are going to be praised by posting them on a sight filled with knife enthusiasts might be a little short sighted on your part and to carry on the way you have might also be construed as trolling or trying to get attention from the antics.

By the way Gus and Bastid are one in the same - me and that is no secret here. I did not jump to conclusions. I took action on what was posted.

Get it through your head.

There is no justification for your personal attacks and the language you used.

 

[huj900]

I see no need for you to keep complaining about the fact that your knives are crap and you're not comfortable with this being identified. You did ask for the opinion, after all. As long as you keep insisting that people shouldn't comment on this, you're going to get further comments. I've not said anything that is rude; you, by contrast, were infracted for being rude. This is a public forum and I will state my opinion on the knives in question if I wish to do so.

Why is it so important to you that other people approve of these knives? Why do you consider criticism of those knives an "attack on your character?"

mate if the worst someone does is posts once "these knives are shit, it was a dumb idea for you to have baught them", i wouldn't relli appreciate the post but wouldn't relli mind either. several ppl have posted things once such as "chinese crap", and i don't mind that. What i do mind is posting about 15 posts refering to my knives, and hence my decision to buy them as "garbage", "crap", etc from the one guy. There is no need to repeat the same thing over and over again. u just said "I see no need for you to keep complaining about the fact that your knives are crap" - i'm not, and don't think i have. i've got a funny feeling i've got more posts coming from u saying how shit my knives are, and i don't relli care, but would appreciate if u left your comments to be positive, or atleast friendly. so yeh basically i understand you don't like my knives. please phil dn't post that u don't like them again. I have no problem with people commenting on the knives, as long as their intent is to be in someway constructive, helpful, or just keen for a friendly chat. Noboy gains anything from "all your knives are garbage".

 

[huj900]

So you point is I made a mistake by not infracting someone because someone broke one of your rules. I did not see your character attacked. I saw opinions on the knives when you solicited those opinions. I can not issue infractions because of what you feel shoot I can not issue them because of what I feel. I can issue them based on behavior here.

I am not on Phil's side. I am not on your side. I am on the side of keeping this place a respectable place for all ages and when someone uses the language you chose to use in a personal attack they are going to get clobbered via an infraction. In this thread your attitude comes across to me as someone who thinks they have a right to tear that atmosphere down.

Again by all means I hope you enjoy and get good use from those knives, but to think they are going to be praised by posting them on a sight filled with knife enthusiasts might be a little short sighted on your part and to carry on the way you have might also be construed as trolling or trying to get attention from the antics.

By the way Gus and Bastid are one in the same - me and that is no secret here. I did not jump to conclusions. I took action on what was posted.

Get it through your head.

There is no justification for your personal attacks and the language you used.

bastid -I AM NOT TRYING TO DISAGREE WITH YOUR DECISION TO SEND ME THE INFRACTION. I UNDERSTAND I BROKE A RULE. I AM NOT TRYING TO JUSTIFY BREAKING A RULE. I HAVE SAID I AM NOT GOING TO BREAK A RULE AGAIN. STOP MAKING IT SOUND LIKE I AM ARGUING AGAINST YOUR DECISION TO SEND ME AN INFRACTION. I AM SIMPLY ASKING IS PEOPLE COULD POST POLITE COMMENTS, NOT HARSH OR RUDE COMMENTS CONCERNING MY KNIVES.

I also have never asked for the knives to be praised. i simply asked "are these a bargain for $10". What i did expect was constructive criticism and advice - similar to that i have recieved on other threads, and similar to that i have given on other threads. not just straight up, over and over again "they are garbage". however i do understand phil hasn't broken a rule so u do not wish to take any action. please do not say i have said things such as "wanting my knives to be praised" that i have not. I understand your positon as moderator leads you to have infracted me, as i broke a rule.

 

[huj900]

on a brighter note - bastid are there any knives you would reccomend for me? i'm sorta new to knife buying as u can probably tell by my decison to buy these knives. I relli like the kershaw leek i have though. and the Ti-Lite video's on youtube look good.

 

[Phil Elmore]

What i do mind is posting about 15 posts refering to my knives, and hence my decision to buy them as "garbage", "crap", etc from the one guy. There is no need to repeat the same thing over and over again. u just said "I see no need for you to keep complaining about the fact that your knives are crap" - i'm not, and don't think i have.

I can't help it if you're self-conscious about buying crap. I do recall pointing out that at least one of the knives looked okay, even though the rest are junk.

so yeh basically i understand you don't like my knives. please phil dn't post that u don't like them again.

I'm actually a fairly regular defender of inexpensive knives. I have to say that in this case I don't like the knives you posted, for the most part.

bastid -I AM NOT TRYING TO DISAGREE WITH YOUR DECISION TO SEND ME THE INFRACTION. I UNDERSTAND I BROKE A RULE. I AM NOT TRYING TO JUSTIFY BREAKING A RULE. I HAVE SAID I AM NOT GOING TO BREAK A RULE AGAIN. STOP MAKING IT SOUND LIKE I AM ARGUING AGAINST YOUR DECISION TO SEND ME AN INFRACTION. I AM SIMPLY ASKING IS PEOPLE COULD POST POLITE COMMENTS, NOT HARSH OR RUDE COMMENTS CONCERNING MY KNIVES.

I also have never asked for the knives to be praised.

Yes, actually, you did. You said you hoped we liked them. You were obviously proud of them. It seems obvious you were looking for encouragement. It's nobody's fault but yours that they are garbage.

 

[huj900]

hmm... i would think that it is probably the people who made them's fault if they arn't good. but i would rather not talk about how crap you think my knives are. i would like to ask what knives you would reccomend instead - especially cheap ones. I've made a video of my leek and my cheap bud k stiletto. i can send u the link if any1 is interested? i think the stiletto is a really good buy for the $8.99 bud k advertises it for.

 

[Rat Finkenstein]

All those knives with the exception of the Leek and the SAK are crap and a big waste of money. Next time you want to throw away money, you can simply give it to me. :thumbup:

If you want a $10 knife that is not crap, get a swedish Mora. Try here: http://www.ragweedforge.com/

Don't confuse Frosts of Sweden with frost cutlery. Frost cutlery is more useless crap.

 

[mmmotorcycle]

Listen to rat! He knows what he is talking about!

 

[Rat Finkenstein]

And the best advice I can give is throw away those Bud K catalogs. Everything they sell is trash.

 

[RWS]

I was taught early on not to say anything unless I had something nice to say.

So, here's my feeling about those knive you have pictured there.

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