bark river 3v tang

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got knife? said:
I called brkt, at first they said as long as the box and knife is stamped 3v it's a 3v period. They told me to contact Jason at DLT where I purchased it (knowing that I already told them that it's been a year since I've bought it). Jason called mike Stewart regarding the problem and mike himself told me that it's definitely an A2 and asked me to send the knife and they'll replace it.

I would much prefer if they can just refund me the amount difference between a2 and 3v since I still have the copy of my receipt or just return it and get a store credit from DLT. But ofcourse I have to send the knife in first. I'm going to give them a call tom. And ask them that they should pay for the shipping since it's a manufacturing defect.
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Are you claiming that you talked to Mike Stewart and he told you "it's definitely A2"? :confused:




Big Mike
 
Considering how expensive Bark Rivers are the amount of QC and other issues they have really isn't acceptable. Can't see myself buying one in the near future.
 
I hope this thread stays above board long enough to figure out if the dang thing is or is not incorrectly stamped.
 
got knife? said:
Yes. Quick question. Being associated with brkt, what's your take regarding me starting this thread?
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Interesting question.


First off, my only association with Bark River Knives is as a customer; as has been posted on these Forums many times before, I do not, and never have worked for Mike Stewart or Bark River Knives.


I tend not to post in these anti Bark River threads unless I have something pertinent to add.


I was surprised by some of the things you stated, hence my question asking about you claiming that you talked to Mike Stewart and he told you "it's definitely A2"?


I contacted Mike Stewart on this question to get his take on the issue.


This is what he replied to me:


Mike,

As You know - Both Knives are skeletonized.

I asked him if it had three skeletons Holes or Two.

His answer was not Clear but he kept saying that it was the same as an A-2.

I said that we would be happy to take the handle off the knife and if it was an A-2 we would replace it with a 3V model.

I guess it is possible that one got marked wrong but it has never happened before.

I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

He said that he suspected it was A-2 because it got a rust spot on it.

Well - 3V is not a Stainless and it can get a Rust Spot too.

I tried calling him back but got no answer.

I wanted his E-mail to send him this Picture but he never returned my 2nd call.

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When I asked him to send it back he said he would but wanted to use if for a while.

The whole thing seems a little Odd so I tried to call him back today but got no answer.

He did call the shop today - I recognized him on the caller ID and when I quickly answered - he hung up.

I hit re-dial but again - no answer.

We have now made almost 20,000 Bravos and have never mixed them up but I wanted him to send it in so that I could check for myself.

He said that he bought it from DLT. Mike- We have never had A-2 and 3V even built at the same Time so I can not see how it could be the wrong one.

As always - I am certainly willing to check it out and back the product.


Mike


PS:

On the S35VN Bravo we Omit the Front Skeleton Hole so all three tangs are clearly different so we can't mix them up.
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That's quoted verbatim from Mike Stewart's reply to my question.

It seems all the facts are not in evidence.

Removing the handle and verifying the CPM-3V marking on the blade is all that's need to know the truth.




Big Mike
 
Well, as far as the above post goes, if thats what Mike Stewart said it doesnt matter anyways. He's a known liar and swindler and I know this not just from the multiple accounts I've seen but from my own personal experience. I dont know the OP from Adam but I'm far more inclined to believe him over Mike Stewart any day of the week.

Send that bad-boy in OP, lets see what happens. Of course, this thread will be locked long before you get an answer on the knife but you can always start another :)
 
This is better than daytime drama! I must say that although I find the thread fascinating, I am impressed that things have not deteriorated. Well done.

It is rather difficult to prevent my brain from wondering about both the Bravo 1 issue as well as the credibility of the OP. At this point, both are in question in my mind. I am looking forward to reading the next chapter and hope things continue to stay flame free.

edit: Well my post came in after the one above me. So much for flame free! Sorry you had a bad experience. Mine have not been that way.
 
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kbog said:
This is better than daytime drama! I must say that although I find the thread fascinating, I am impressed that things have not deteriorated. Well done.

It is rather difficult to prevent my brain from wondering about both the Bravo 1 issue as well as the credibility of the OP. At this point, both are in question in my mind. I am looking forward to reading the next chapter and hope things continue to stay flame free.

edit: Well my post came in after the one above me. So much for flame free! Sorry you had a bad experience. Mine have not been that way.
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Not trying to flame per se, just still a little bitter about my experience with Bark River lol. But yeah my post is pretty inflammatory, thats what happens when you dont take care of your customers, they will usually get pretty chapped.

In truth, I hope the OP sends the Bravo in, if there is an issue and MS makes good than that will definitely ease some of my own bitterness. I really want to see what happens here.
 
Big Mike said:
I contacted Mike Stewart on this question to get his take on the issue.

"On the S35VN Bravo we Omit the Front Skeleton Hole so all three tangs are clearly different so we can't mix them up."

It seems all the facts are not in evidence.

Removing the handle and verifying the CPM-3V marking on the blade is all that's need to know the truth.
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:thumbup: I would be VERY surprised if a mistake like this took place... I wait for the conclusion (evidence), and I hope that the OP posts if the mistake was on his part.

Regarding the S35VN model, did they change their tang design? Previously MS stated, "The S35VN Blank has all three Holes but the Bands between them are thicker and it has the lanyard Extension."

Back OT, the rust/patina is what first got the OP wondering about his knife. Different corrosion patterns are indicative of either different steels or different heat-treatments or surface treatments (and yes, also different environmental circumstances). So while we wait for the evidence, does anyone have an image of a rusty or patina'd CPM-3V Bravo 1? My google-fu didn't find ANY rust 3V knives beyond a James Terrio test-knife and what i think the OP first saw, this (stone-washed GSO-10:

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Terrio Test Knife:
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Let's see some beat-up CPM-3V Bark Rivers! ;)
 
I cannot believe what I've just read. Me and Mikes conversation only lasted for 30 seconds. I said hey mike I have a bravo 1 stamped with 3v and with my xray findings it has a tang of an A2. I did a rust test as well and my knife rusted (strong patina) rather quickly. It did not pit like 3v is supposed to. I also mentioned that I'm going on a backpacking trip this weekend and I need a knife so I can't send it until I get back.

As for the calls. I called him directly to demand that they should pay for shipping. His phone rang for the longest time and just before I hung up some guy answered (it didn't sound like mike Stewart) I called again and the phone line was busy.

I didn't receive any calls from him nor voice messages.

Mike, you just pissed off a customer. I will send the knife back and don't bother replacing it. Just give my hard earned money back.
 
I'm just wondering where you can get axcess an X Ray to scan a knife. I'm in the medical field and I'd have a hard time. That would be handy to check out knife and sword tangs. Being a radiology tech can be handy. The x ray guys I spent time with in rotations seemed to love goofing around with the equipment.
 
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Ponsau said:
Yeah I think if you posted photos at least it would help prove your original post. Then just wait to see how they handle it.
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Will do. i"ll bring my bravo with to work tom. and do the video on my spare time.

By no means it was not my intention to start a thread against brkt. My purpose was to let consumers like me know what type of flaws brkt has in my sole experience as I'm sure that I'm not the only one who has a similar knife. I might have created a more negative environment but that black hole in my opinion has always been there and it's only going to get bigger as consumers finds more flaws.

As for brkt personels and fans, I have nothing to gain and definitely it's a waste of my time to have created a profile here just to talk trash about you.


I was surprised on how much negative things I've found in just 2 days of researching brkt. All these nonsense and harrasment should stop. People are starting to educate themselves. So please stop insulting our intelligence with nonsense theories and techniques.
 
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Let's see some beat-up CPM-3V Bark Rivers! ;)
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Not rusty or beat-up, but Bark River and 3V.
The Lil' C prototype!
I haven't used mine as of late, but when I had it on test it was as good as any other good knife in my inventory.

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It came with a very thick edge and the edgecorners had to be thinned, before I started to use it.
Now it has a geometry that copes with abrasive materials like the fiberboard in the pic.


Regards
Mikael
 
Bark River might, at their discretion, replace your knife. The only person that could reasonably be expected to give you a refund is the dealer that sold you the knife in the first place. If the dealer wants his money back he can take it up with Bark River.
 
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