bark river 3v tang

[Brisket]

Your anger towards me shows your lack of class and self esteem. Have a great day sir

got knife? - You make false accusation about Big Mike, which he politely explains are false as he has done previously. Then you come back questioning the veracity of his reponse to which he responds to again this time suggesting that perhaps you as a new member might be trolling and then this is the conclusion that come up with? Keep in mind that you are the new guy here that decided to create this post before you had any evidence in place which is arguably not the most well thought out plan of action.

I look forward to seeing that evidence that you have an A2 blade that was sold and marked as 3V as do others but until that time comes it is unreasonable for you not to expect that there might be some doubt in some members minds and there is no reason for you to take that personally and launch personal attacks as it was your decision to make the claim without the supporting proof. On the flip side you could could come on here and claim that you got cut by their Bravo 1 giving you Aids and a mob comprised of some members would quickly assemble to go forth and burn the Witch of Escanaba so you got that going for you.

 

[chiral.grolim]

Yep, Big Mike was kind enough to post a clear picture of the difference in the tangs. Just need the OP's for comparison.

The post from BRKT came after Virtuovice x-ray'd the knives to show everyone that there was a difference, and Big Mike's post came after the video linked on Page 2 of this thread and the screen-shot on Page 3

Here is the YT vid with Xrays. Start watching at 10 min for the xray pics.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rt-CjVvL0nY&feature=player_detailpage

That said, it was good to finally receive the image from BRKT, though I am still confused about what the S35VN tang looks like since we have 2 different descriptions both from Mike Stewart. *shrug*

I look forward to seeing that evidence that you have an A2 blade that was sold and marked as 3V as do others but until that time comes it is unreasonable for you not to expect that there might be some doubt in some members minds and there is no reason for you to take that personally and launch personal attacks as it was your decision to make the claim without the supporting proof. On the flip side you could could come on here and claim that you got cut by their Bravo 1 giving you Aids and a mob comprised of some members would quickly assemble to go forth and burn the Witch of Escanaba so you got that going for you.

Please keep in mind that got knife?'s vitriol resulted from reading the exchange between Big Mike and Mike Stewart, wherein got knife? asserts MS isn't being quite honest. THAT was a personal attack.

If got knife?'s Bravo 1 turns out to be A2 marked 3V, then EVERY Bravo 1 marked 3V is suspect. I have no idea how BRKT would handle that situation, but while a "mob" is possible should evidence arise, there seems to be a counter mob equally determined to defend BRKT and its owner regardless of product concerns. *shrug* Such polarization isn't something that the OP has "going for you". ANY observer should be interested in moral responsibility (redundant) and good quality control, regardless of the company/maker. I don't know how BRKT could make a mistake like this, but...


Until that video is up, can anyone else describe their experiences with CPM-3V or A2 corrosion? Noticable difference?
Short of mass spectrometry and behavior in heat-treatment, corrosion + edge-retention + impact toughness are all we have to verify that a steel is what the seller claims. Generally, we rely on faith. Let's all have faith that this matter will be resolved amicably.

 

[chiral.grolim]

I guess my point was that, for those of us without access to x-ray, a way to tell the difference in the steels is the level of polish of the 3V as received from Bark River...

Interesting, I was not aware that the level of polish would be different between their A2 and 3V models, though the 3Vs would certainly require more effort to achieve the same satin finish my A2 Bravo 1 had. Did BRKT not bother refining the finish of their 3V knives to the same level?

 

[Hard Knocks]

Interesting, I was not aware that the level of polish would be different between their A2 and 3V models, though the 3Vs would certainly require more effort to achieve the same satin finish my A2 Bravo 1 had. Did BRKT not bother refining the finish of their 3V knives to the same level?

CG, I tried to get pics of the difference, but either my camera is not good enough or I need different lighting, because I could not capture what I was trying to describe as well as Mikael W's pic did. It's like trying to catch a fine scratch to describe a knife correctly for a sales thread, tough to get it to show up in the pic.

If I did not have some other models for comparison, I do not know if I could just grab any of them alone and pick the steel. However, side by side, every 3V model I have come into contact with looks like MW's pic. I am not knocking the level of finish on the 3V, it is actually quite good, just describing the difference I can see.

 

[chiral.grolim]

CG, I tried to get pics of the difference, but either my camera is not good enough or I need different lighting, because I could not capture what I was trying to describe as well as Mikael W's pic did. It's like trying to catch a fine scratch to describe a knife correctly for a sales thread, tough to get it to show up in the pic.

If I did not have some other models for comparison, I do not know if I could just grab any of them alone and pick the steel. However, side by side, every 3V model I have come into contact with looks like MW's pic. I am not knocking the level of finish on the 3V, it is actually quite good, just describing the difference I can see.

:thumbup: I understand, on each count And thank you for the clarification.






Is that video up yet?

 

[Hard Knocks]

The post from BRKT came after Virtuovice x-ray'd the knives to show everyone that there was a difference, and Big Mike's post came after the video linked on Page 2 of this thread and the screen-shot on Page 3

Yup, you're right. My apologies to mtangent and KP!!

That said, it was good to finally receive the image from BRKT, though I am still confused about what the S35VN tang looks like since we have 2 different descriptions both from Mike Stewart. *shrug*

The S35VN is going to have the exposed lanyard hole, so should be less of an issue. I'll see if I can find a picture of one in a bit.

 

[Big Mike]

The S35VN is going to have the exposed lanyard hole, so should be less of an issue. I'll see if I can find a picture of one in a bit.

It's my understanding that the CPM-S35VN Bravo-1 blade has the first segment left solid, so that even knives with the lanyard extension removed (a Bark River shop option) are easily identified.




Big Mike

 

[crimsonfalcon07]

I'll certainly be interested to see how this plays out. While I don't much like Mike Stewart as a person, I've never had a problem with his knives. I don't generally buy BRKT, since there are so many custom makers who are really genuinely great guys, and make a good product, but I do like the BRKT's that I have. I'm reserving judgment one way or another to see what the tang on OP's knife looks like.

 

[wroughndt]

Big Mike, I have always wondered, does Mike Stewart own knifeforums or is he a part owner of knife forums?

Im still curious about this Big Mike, do you know?

 

[Big Mike]

I'll certainly be interested to see how this plays out.

Once we see the blade with the handle removed with the blade showing the 3V marking we will know the truth.

Anything short of that is just the typical Hocus-Pocus we often see around here regarding BRK.





Big Mike

 

[Big Mike]

Big Mike, I have always wondered, does Mike Stewart own knifeforums or is he a part owner of knife forums?

Im still curious about this Big Mike, do you know?

This is probably not appropriate content on BladeForums.

But being the subject has been broached...

KnifeForums was started, owned, and run by a fine man named Jim Nowka.

Recently, F+W Media, parent company of BLADE Magazine, the BLADE Show, Gun Digest the Magazine and Gun Digest Books has taken over running and financially supporting the Forum.




Big Mike

 

[Hard Knocks]

It's my understanding that the CPM-S35VN Bravo-1 blade has the first segment left solid, so that even knives with the lanyard extension removed (a Bark River shop option) are easily identified.

I had not thought of that, but it makes sense. Seems a picture of the exterior of the S35VN version would do less good than a tang shot, and I do not have that.

 

[Brisket]

Please keep in mind that got knife?'s vitriol resulted from reading the exchange between Big Mike and Mike Stewart, wherein got knife? asserts MS isn't being quite honest. THAT was a personal attack.

I read it and Big Mike was merely the messenger of Mike Stewart account of his conversation with got knife?. I can understand got knife? being upset with Mike Stewart if MS's account of the conversation is not factual, but how exactly do you feel that Big Mike attacked got knife? personally and is justified in attacking Big Mike?

If got knife?'s Bravo 1 turns out to be A2 marked 3V, then EVERY Bravo 1 marked 3V is suspect. I have no idea how BRKT would handle that situation, but while a "mob" is possible should evidence arise, there seems to be a counter mob equally determined to defend BRKT and its owner regardless of product concerns. *shrug* Such polarization isn't something that the OP has "going for you". ANY observer should be interested in moral responsibility (redundant) and good quality control, regardless of the company/maker. I don't know how BRKT could make a mistake like this, but...

Not only would every Bravo 1 marked 3V be suspect it would cast suspicion on any premium steel option from BRKT. If it turns out to be a case of fraud they should go down IMO. Mike Stewart is certainly a polarizing figure and doesn't get much in the way of benefit of the doubt on this forum nor does he deserve to given his history. That is of his own doing and although I believe in redemption I don't have an issue with that at all. I don't see anyone defending MS here so perhaps you are referring to their forum which I am not a participant nor a fan of. I have some BRKT knives which I have not had any issues with so I consider myself an interested observer, but I am not a MS apologist in the least. Calling someone out for exhibiting poor behavior while they are in the midst of reporting/commenting on MS's poor behavior does not mean that I condone MS's behavior at all. My interest in moral responsibility extends not only to this or any maker but to this forum as well.

At this point in time all we have is a yet to be substantiated claim and two differing accounts of a phone conversation. I'm anxiously awaiting to see how this plays out.

 

[wroughndt]

This is probably not appropriate content on BladeForums.

But being the subject has been broached...

KnifeForums was started, owned, and run by a fine man named Jim Nowka.

Recently, F+W Media, parent company of BLADE Magazine, the BLADE Show, Gun Digest the Magazine and Gun Digest Books has taken over running and financially supporting the Forum.




Big Mike

I apologize if this is not appropriate on Bladeforums. I like you as a poster, you seem to be a very cool guy, Im just trying to understand if your position on that site is a conflict of interest or not. You always stick up for BRKT, no matter what the situation. Sometimes I wonder, is it because you work for a website that is partially paid for by BRKT?

 

[Morrow]

Folks...this thread isn't about Big Mike or Knifeforums. Keep your posts on topic going forward.

 

[Big Mike]

I apologize if this is not appropriate on Bladeforums. I like you as a poster, you seem to be a very cool guy, Im just trying to understand if your position on that site is a conflict of interest or not. You always stick up for BRKT, no matter what the situation. Sometimes I wonder, is it because you work for a website that is partially paid for by BRKT?

Moderating a knife forum, or any forum about a subject your passionate about, is a labor of love; "working for" implies getting paid for your time.

Just like the time I spend posing here, my time at KF is strictly me giving back to a community I support.




Big Mike

 

[sodak]

The video and/or pictures will be illuminating. Like others, I'm not overly trusting of folks with a checkered past, however, I really like some of BR's knives, and thus far, they've all performed very well for me. It is true that there are custom makers on this forum, I've been burned by a couple of them as well. Just being a custom maker doesn't guarantee quality either.

I'd rather be able to go through a distributor and get a refund or exchange than deal with egos and hurt feelings that inevitably arise from a custom that doesn't work out. But that's just me, YMMV.

 

[MatthewSB]

3v is incredibly tough, and I loved my 3V user Bravo 1 while I had it, but it pits and rusts from even brief contact with skin. I'm not sure how anyone could mistake another steel for it, who's used A2, 3V, and S35VN.

I also stick up for BRKT quite often, but only because I have owned, used and enjoyed many of their knives. After several excellent experiences with customer service I've always been treated right, they've gone way out of their way to take care of me. It's very cool to be able to call, almost anytime, and speak with someone with indepth technical knowledge of their knives.

Due to budget changes, I'm down to a single BRKT - a Bravo 1 in S35vn - and I absolutely love it. I especially like being able to use it without the handle rusting and pitting immediately but that is just a steel preference.

I've owned 8 or so Bravo 1s in various steels, and I've never had one mislabeled. It would be pretty easy to tell the difference, if it were. If true, this is an isolated incident, although it could be "isolated" to a whole batch of knives. Regardless, based on my experiences, BRKT would likely pay for everyone to ship their knives in to be replaced. They'd probably even give you a similar handle of choice while they're at it.

 

[RUNIT]

Looks like this thread is DOA. Would be good to actually have proof before throwing around accusations.

 

[MEJ]

I definitely want to see how this goes. So many things can be misconstrued when communicating with someone. I agree with the op that most people are not gonna make an account just to whine.