Bark River has taken $16,000 of My Money

[JD Mandrell]

Instead it seems Mike chose to carry-on with the project w/o SS and refund SS after he, Mike, could be made whole in the deal, too.

After failing to meet a contractual deadline, his first concern should have been to make sure the other party was made whole before himself.

Perhaps...Perhaps...Perhaps...Perhaps...Perhaps...Perhaps they should have committed everything to paper, at the start, so neither side could later claim the other failed to meet their obligations?

They did, an agreed upon price, and time for delivery were in the written contract.

ISTM that unless you're out to put Mike's head on a pike,.

Where have I done this?

Perhaps Mike did screw SS. But possibly, just possibly he did not. Thing is: I don't know. I don't know because I wasn't present during the communications between the two parties.

Have you taken a moment to look at the conversations between them on KF?

Or read the contract?

Perhaps you should have read my post #553, before jumping on me.......

 

[EDCeeker]

[/B]After failing to meet a contractual deadline, his first concern should have been to make sure the other party was made whole before himself.

They did, an agreed upon price, and time for delivery were in the written contract.

And Mike claims SS didn't meet certain other allegedly agreed-upon obligations and SS claims there were no such things and Mike claims SS, by unresponsiveness, was causing start-stops in production and design work and SS claims all the holdups were Mike's fault and...

The thing is: None of us really knows all the details of the interactions between the two, do we? Yes, I admit, it looks like, on the surface, Mike was giving SS a raw deal. No disagreement there.

Where have I done this?

Sorry, the "you're" was meant to address "all y'all," not you, specifically.

Have you taken a moment to look at the conversations between them on KF?

Or read the contract?

Perhaps you should have read my post #553, before jumping on me.......

Yes, yes and I did.

I'm not arguing that SS didn't get a raw deal. I'm not arguing that Mike S. isn't a scumbag of the highest order. What I'm arguing is this sure seems to be a helluva pile-on by a lot of individuals who weren't privy to the dealings, egged-on by some people who feel they've been wronged by Mike in the past. God forbid somebody should point this out, for failing to Join The Mob automatically makes one an apologist for a thief, or in said thief's pocket, or having been the Recipient of Free Gifts from the alleged thief, or any number of other Nefarious Doings.

It's witch hunt; lynch mob; when in panic, when in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout mentality.

In answer to somebody else's earlier question: No, as a race it would appear we haven't come any further than the days of the Salem Witch Trials

 

[JD Mandrell]

I'm not arguing that SS didn't get a raw deal. I'm not arguing that Mike S. isn't a scumbag of the highest order. What I'm arguing is this sure seems to be a helluva pile-on by a lot of individuals who weren't privy to the dealings, egged-on by some people who feel they've been wronged by Mike in the past.

And I am fairly sure I pointed out earlier, that I am not one of those, all I'm trying to do is ask some pretty straight forward questions.

God forbid somebody should point this out, for failing to Join The Mob automatically makes one an apologist for a thief, or in said thief's pocket, or having been the Recipient of Free Gifts from the alleged thief, or any number of other Nefarious Doings.

Search through some previous threads on BRK&T, you'll see I've been there, which is why I sorta take some offense if your saying I'm doing that to you or anyone else here?

 

[EDCeeker]

And I am fairly sure I pointed out earlier, that I am not one of those, all I'm trying to do is ask some pretty straight forward questions.

Search through some previous threads on BRK&T, you'll see I've been there, which is why I sorta take some offense if your saying I'm doing that to you or anyone else here?

All of the comments to which you're taking offense were not addressed to you, specifically, but to the participants, in general. I had thought I'd made that clear by the way in which I'd worded them. I guess not. So if I've unintentionally given offense: I apologize.

In the future I'll be careful not to include general comments in my follow-ups to you.

 

[Incidentalist]

And Mike claims SS didn't meet certain other allegedly agreed-upon obligations and SS claims there were no such things and Mike claims SS, by unresponsiveness, was causing start-stops in production and design work and SS claims all the holdups were Mike's fault and...

Regarding these other claimed agreements. It appears from everything posted in the various threads that perhaps SS did not live up to his end on some of these agreements. But, none of these items were delineated in the initial contract between MS and SS.

If these secondary agreements changed SS's obligations after the signed contract and did not change MS's obligations, then they are completely irrelevant if they are not in writing.

If these secondary agreements changed the obligations of both parties and MS took actions based upon the promises made by SS, then there is/was possibly some recourse for MS. This might be what he decided allowed him to pay back SS on his own time frame.

All of this is speculation and still does not change the fact that MS breached the written contract that he had with SS. Thankfully, that debt has now been settled to SS's satisfaction.

 

[JD Mandrell]

All of the comments to which you're taking offense were not addressed to you, specifically, but to the participants, in general. I had thought I'd made that clear by the way in which I'd worded them. I guess not. So if I've unintentionally given offense: I apologize.

We're cool! :thumbup:

 

[Big Mike]

I always had respect for the members and moderators on this forum (except for my buddy Brian Jones, a low life scumbag that I still respect sorry Brian I couldn't resist a jab at you my friend), but this tread has so much flaming going on that it has become a full fledged bonfire. :jerkit:

IMHO. :yawn:

 

[Brian Jones]

I always had respect for the members and moderators on this forum (except for my buddy Brian Jones, a low life scumbag that I still respect sorry Brian I couldn't resist a jab at you my friend), but this tread has so much flaming going on that it has become a full fledged bonfire. :jerkit:

IMHO. :yawn:

Yeah, screw you, too, my friend.

Hope to see ya again soon at a gathering.

 

[Ken44]

I don't see how reporting shoddy business practises over an extensive period is a witch hunt?

Me either

We have minds, we can read enough from both forums to see what went down.

When KenC speaks of looking mike in the eye, and then there is something he can't tell at this time, it makes me wonder. Is the thief planing another scam to sue SS for starting this thread and hurting his name? I dought it since his name wasn't much to start with. But it does seem this man will do about anything for the dollar....or to keep from giving one there money back.

I believe this thread is the only reason he got his money back when he did. He had already been told he would not get it untill Dec 31st. Mike paid up because of this heat... he didn't want this thread going on untill Dec 31st.

Plain and simple, the money should have been refunded the day he decided he didn't want SS selling his product.

For those that said SS should not have made this public...This is the internet age, use it to your advantage if need'ed. And it was damn sure need'ed, for him and us.

Those that defended mike, or claimed they could read him just by looking in his eye's...well I better just:foot:


BTW- If not put in the hall of shame this thread at least need's to be left open for all to see, so they can make there own judgements about Bark River.

 

[Esav Benyamin]

Originally Posted by CDNWIDE
I don't see how reporting shoddy business practises over an extensive period is a witch hunt?

Thanks for so spectacularly misreading what I wrote and explained again and again. You restore my faith in the fallibility of the human race.

The "witchhunt" had nothing to do with Mike Stewart. It was the widespread tendency of members posting here to insult each other over their differing opinions. Bladeforums has always been about offering a place to send a messsage without getting shot for the contents. Threads like this bring out the worst violations of that policy.

 

[Ren the devils trailboss]

Thanks for so spectacularly misreading what I wrote and explained again and again. You restore my faith in the fallibility of the human race.

The "witchhunt" had nothing to do with Mike Stewart. It was the widespread tendency of members posting here to insult each other over their differing opinions. Bladeforums has always been about offering a place to send a messsage without getting shot for the contents. Threads like this bring out the worst violations of that policy.

well put...this is over now folks...move along...there is nothing to see...

 

[Brian Jones]

I think this thread has run its course. The situation has been resolved, the parties no longer have any tie to each other, and are free and clear. Haters love to hate, and they have been active on both sides of this dispute. That's why there are precious few posts here that have any substance at all.

I'd personally suggest a lock at this point, but of course that is the decision of the mods of this forum...

 

[Ken44]

When someone is outed in public it serves us all well.

It should be left open... I see no harm in the thread staying up. People can draw there own conclusion.

 

[Spark]

So...

Someone break this down for me.

Has SnarlSlayer gotten his money back? If not, where is the lawsuit?

 

[Incidentalist]

Well. A lot has gone on in this thread and I now have the opportunity to say something:

Today I received a Cashier's Check From Mike Stewart for $16,000. I have already deposited it in the bank and don't expect there to be any problems with it clearing.


SnarlSlayer

Eight pages ago.

 

[EDCeeker]

So...

Someone break this down for me.

Has SnarlSlayer gotten his money back?

Yes--about 4-5 pages back

Ok, so it was 8

 

[Incidentalist]

Wouldn't want to get a huge infraction for pointing out some blatant hypocrasy.

 

[Thomas Linton]

Liar, lair, pants on fire!

 

[new]

Ken, with all do respect, I have to ask a few questions.

How could Mike Stewart be "left holding the bag", when he was already paid for the knives?

His expenses, including materials, time and labor, had already been covered in the agreed upon price had they not?

He could have thrown the knives in a lake and not been out anything couldn't he?

hey ken, why won't you address this post???

 

[wolfmann601]

Better late than never!!!!!


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