Bark River has taken $16,000 of My Money

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Those are the old hidden tang Kepharts that are still at dealers.

The full tang Kephart has not been built yet.
 
OK, amend my last to:
Mike seems to have paid up early, whether due to the publicity, or he just decided it's be better to get it over with.

But I'm still waiting for those defending him to give us something.
 
You know what bothers me here?

The consistent accusation that I somehow "disappeared" during this process. Please look at my original posts, which will make the following clear:

1) From the time I had sent the certified check, Mike Stewart had my phone number and my home address. He also could contact me anytime via the KF PM system.

2) I "pestered" Mike Stewart for the knives and/or progress reports all the way through May 08. After May 08, I gave up on pushing him to meet a schedule and stopped contacting him about it.

3) Not once did Mike Stewart make a single effort to contact me from May 08 to the point in time that I saw his intent was to sell the knives himself.

So when Mike Stewart says I disappeared, the only possible thing I can imagine he means by that is that I wasn't posting on his forum. At any time he could have called me, written me or PM'd me. He didn't do any of that.

Please stop saying I disappeared. I did not. I pestered Mike Stewart for months after he missed the first delivery date. He had my address and phone number for the entire time yet did not attempt to contact me. He never PM'd me during the time period of May 08-September 08.

So unless someone can provide evidence of Mike Stewart attempting to contact me during that period, the statement that I "disappeared" is a complete and total fabrication-- and anyone who states such is spreading a lie.

Steven Youell
 
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Seems like they are accusing you of 'disappearing' after sending payment. I don't know what you were supposed to do in the 90 days up to delivery, your order was placed and money sent. You get told 90 days, there's no reason to call every week for those three months.
 
hardheart said:
Seems like they are accusing you of 'disappearing' after sending payment. I don't know what you were supposed to do in the 90 days up to delivery, your order was placed and money sent. You get told 90 days, there's no reason to call every week for those three months.
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I just want people to get the facts straight. I did not "disappear". Mike Stewart had the means to contact me anytime he wanted to do so. I contacted him on a regular basis up until June 08. From June 08 to September 08 he made no attempt to contact me.

I think what Mike meant is that I was not posting on his forum and I did not have my website up. But that was not a condition of the contract, was not in any verbal agreement and definitely does not constitute "disappearing".

Steven Youell
 
Just finished reading this thread and am surprised how this topic has taken on a life of its own. Maybe SS has a legitimate beef with Mike Stewart. Maybe (or likely) MS has a different perspective on the matter. The court system is full of cases where perceptions of responsibility varied in the business world, and they rarely are as clear cut in reality as they have been put forth in this thread. Mike was in senior management at Marbles, which went through a very tumultuous management and financial period. Find me a single corporate exec who hasn’t been vilified by at least some of the employees in their company. After that, find me a business owner who claims he has never made a financial mistake or had a dispute on a delivery agreement and you will have found a liar.

For those of you who have said you will not buy a knife from someone who practices business this way good luck to you, and I hope you can afford custom knives from here forward. If you dig deep enough I’m sure you will find someone or some business who thinks they have been ripped off by virtually any medium to large knife maker out there, along with any other company that deals directly with the public. My experience with BRKT is that they make a helluva knife for a very fair price, and their customer service and warranty work is second to none. Since I am not personally involved on the business side of BRKT I have to consider much of what has been said here as hearsay, if not outright drivel from some of the people here who have a “Ford versus Chevy” mentality about the knife makers that they support (or slam).
 
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kycolonel said:
Maybe SS has a legitimate beef with Mike Stewart. Maybe (or likely) MS has a different perspective on the matter.
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Maybe not. The speculation is groundless. The scan of the order SS sent me isn't a whole heaping helping of paperwork, but it's infinitely more concrete than anything Stewart has offered up at this point.
 
Hardheart,

I'm not a card carrying member of the BRKT fan club. As I said in the above post there may be legitimacy to SS claim. But what I do perceive about Mike is this- even if he had a mound of legal documents a foot high to refute the evidence you are looking at he will never air them publicly. That would be getting down in the mud so to speak, and he has never done that on any topic as far as I know.
 
Presenting legal documentation is hardly getting down in the mud. It would serve to clarify and provide objective fact rather than perception of online personality. There's something wrong when presenting evidence is considered a bad thing, or even beneath a person or discussion. Facts elevate.
 
kycolonel said:
Hardheart,

I'm not a card carrying member of the BRKT fan club. As I said in the above post there may be legitimacy to SS claim. But what I do perceive about Mike is this- even if he had a mound of legal documents a foot high to refute the evidence you are looking at he will never air them publicly. That would be getting down in the mud so to speak, and he has never done that on any topic as far as I know.
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Yup, proving one's case is the dirtiest, most underhanded, stinkiest load of mud caked dirty laundry known to man. If anyone ever falsely accuses me of a wrongdoing and I have a mound of legal proof a mile high I will never stoop so low as to release anything that might clear my name....................................................how disgusting!!!!:p;)
 
Guyon said:
What about the bigger perspective? Beyond SS getting his money back, that larger view has emerged as the most important element in this thread. It reveals that there's a pretty long history of questionable business/financial practices by Mike Stewart. Just focusing on this incident isn't perspective. shunsui, you might revise your saint comment if you read the whole thread and investigate some of the channels off the main river. Here I'm not talking about the petty comments or the silly accusations. Some of the revelations have substance.
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No, I'll stand by what I said. I'm sure Mike has a colorful history but it's not anything remarkable in the big scheme of things. In fact, it wouldn't be unreasonable to conclude he may have simply had a lousy lawyer.

Anyway, think what you want. When you're finished here, turn off the lights and shut the door behind you. ;)
 
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shunsui said:
No, I'll stand by what I said. I'm sure Mike has a colorful history but it's not anything remarkable in the big scheme of things. In fact, it wouldn't be unreasonable to conclude he may have simply had a lousy lawyer.

Anyway, think what you want. When you're finished here, turn off the lights and shut the door behind you. ;)
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From what I know of Stewart, he must have had some pretty good lawyers. Otherwise, he'd likely be behind bars.

I love the spin here. Telling the truth is getting down into the mud. Lying and being deceptive is being above it all. Clever stuff this rationalizing. It's not bad because there are worse things. That's my favorite.:rolleyes:
 
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hardheart said:
Maybe not. The speculation is groundless.
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Nah, I think it's pretty obvious Mr. Stewart has a different perspective on the matter. Different people often have different perspectives on the same thing. For example:

hardheart said:
Presenting legal documentation is hardly getting down in the mud.
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That is your perspective. It is perhaps even the perspective most people would have. That doesn't make it The One Inescapable Truth. Some people are more of the "I refuse to dignify that with a response" type. Sometimes that may be a cop-out, sometimes it may be an honest position. I know there are times I have adopted such a position, because my accuser's or opponent's accusations or arguments were simply too outrageous to, well, dignify with a response. When somebody adopts such a position we are each left to assume what we will, from such evidence as we have at hand, filtered through the lens of our own, individual perspective.
 
haiguise said:
like doing tricks? cardician? :rolleyes:

Palming Cards
The Pass
The Side Steal
Multiple Lifts
The Top Change
The Classic Force
False Shuffles



seems to know the disappearing act: :confused:

http://www.geniimagazine.com/forums...rum=10&topic=001738&Number=0&site_id=1#import


(SEY)

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewforum.php?forum=120&342



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaIeqfEyJmE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcqRHL2xFVY
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Exactly what has this got to do with the topic being discussed here?
 
EDCeeker said:
I know there are times I have adopted such a position, because my accuser's or opponent's accusations or arguments were simply too outrageous to, well, dignify with a response. When somebody adopts such a position we are each left to assume what we will, from such evidence as we have at hand, filtered through the lens of our own, individual perspective.
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Once again, SS emailed a scan of the order to those who requested. I would really love to know what is outrageous about paperwork; paperwork MS never questioned. SS said MS took the money - never denied. SS said MS missed the delivery date - never denied. SS said MS missed another date - never denied. MS himself said a refund would not be made until he sold SS' order to someone else. Still looking for the rampant speculation on my part for breach of contract and poor business ethics.

One side has clearly articulated events, the other side is given the same weight with nothing but vague statements of forum presence that was not a stipulation for the sale to begin with.
 
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