Bark River knives?

KingMC said:
Ah, I see you've decided to play the technical fool, I will take no part in your ignorant shenanigans.
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I know science hu, nothing but knowledge and proof.

I say we just start the rumor that Mike has cooties and anybody who buys a knife from him will also have cooties. I also hear he ate a booger.
 
JamesofArc said:
I know science hu, nothing but knowledge and proof.

I say we just start the rumor that Mike has cooties and anybody who buys a knife from him will also have cooties. I also hear he ate a booger.
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I don't know if this 'science hu', you must enlighten me. What I do know is that science can never prove anything 100% so your entire basis for proving your point is flawed.

You must not have read the links I supplied, I supplied all the evidence and proof gathered by folks more knowledgeable in the art of steel usage than I, you have chosen to ignore his and I take no responsibility in that oversight.
 
KingMC said:
I don't know if this 'science hu', you must enlighten me. What I do know is that science can never prove anything 100% so your entire basis for proving your point is flawed.

You must not have read the links I supplied, I supplied all the evidence and proof gathered by folks more knowledgeable in the art of steel usage than I, you have chosen to ignore his and I take no responsibility in that oversight.
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Actually I seen absolute no proof at all in any of your post other than a bunch of guys guessing as to what is going one. The only post in the thread that made since was the guy who said that he sent his knife in and they fixed the problem and he even added liners to his knife.

How can this guy get customer satisfaction until he sends his knife in to be looked at. Did he do that? I don't think he did, if he did I did not see it. Should they have sent him another and then he sends his in? That don't happen that often.
 
JamesofArc said:
Actually I seen absolute no proof at all in any of your post other than a bunch of guys guessing as to what is going one. The only post in the thread that made since was the guy who said that he sent his knife in and they fixed the problem and he even added liners to his knife.

How can this guy get customer satisfaction until he sends his knife in to be looked at. Did he do that? I don't think he did, if he did I did not see it. Should they have sent him another and then he sends his in? That don't happen that often.
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Blind ignorance doesn't mean what's being observed is baseless, I can't help with your critical thinking skills but almost anybody with a measure of logic and reason (and simple knowledge of A2 and 20cv) should be able to read those two threads and understand that what was going on clearly shows the wrong steel was used in the knife.

I trust Derrick at KSF's opinion on the matter way more than I trust yours, and he clearly saw he problem.
 
KingMC said:
Blind ignorance doesn't mean what's being observed is baseless, I can't help with your critical thinking skills but almost anybody with a measure of logic and reason (and simple knowledge of A2 and 20cv) should be able to read those two threads and understand that what was going on clearly shows the wrong steel was used in the knife.

I trust Derrick at KSF's opinion on the matter way more than I trust yours, and he clearly saw he problem.
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Regardless, why does a factory mistake make Mike a bad guy to never be bought from again. The other day I ordered a number 2 from What a burger and they delivered me a number 1. I did not say the owner was trying to rip me off but I realized that the guys behind the counter messed up. I still go to What a Burger because it was not on purpose but a mistake.

Do you believe that Mike Stewart is purposely marking knives that are made of A2 and stamping them something else or do you believe that the production line may have marked some A2 knives with the wrong stamp and they went out the door without anybody realizing it.
 
KingMC said:
...I trust Derrick at KSF's opinion on the matter way more than I trust yours, and he clearly saw he problem.
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Me too! I knew that Derrick finally addressed the problem, but I never knew the outcome. It seems that the BRKT reaction was "shit happens" and too bad. The steel issue is not something that should happen ever and should have been immediately addressed by Stewart and not a dealer. What that lesson tells me is "stick to A-2" with Bark River and choose another maker for the other steels.
 
shinyedges said:
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/evans-knife-and-tool.913/

Proof you ask? That is one of the more recent debacles. Read through his screwing Brian over, it's long.

Some folks, show up and think they know everything. :rolleyes:
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After reading the first page and a half of posts, I did a quick google search: "Mike stewart Bark River Bladeforums" and found this thread (it was the first hit) from '08

http://www.bladeforums.com/threads/bark-river-has-taken-16-000-of-my-money.585934/

Not sure how valid it is, but it would seem that perhaps alleged problems with BRK/Mike Stewart go back a ways...?

Getting back on track regarding the knives; if you're not super interested in or don't care about the company and its practices, then simply get the Bark River that you think is best-suited for you like others have suggested. If that stuff does matter to you and factor into your decision, then like others have also suggested, look elsewhere to spend your hard earned money. There certainly isn't a shortage of talented knifemakers and companies that produce quality knives out there and I'm willing to bet that with some research, you could find a knife by a different brand/maker that would be just as good or better for you. Again, though, it's your choice - it's up to you what you want to do.
 
They definitely go way back. His MO is to prey on guys who want to contract the building of their knives yo him. He tells them what they want to hear and they trust him because he's a big name in the knife Industry. After they pay him? Welcome to getting screwed around with for an undetermined amount of time or outright thievery.
Chariotz4 said:
After reading the first page and a half of posts, I did a quick google search: "Mike stewart Bark River Bladeforums" and found this thread (it was the first hit) from '08

http://www.bladeforums.com/threads/bark-river-has-taken-16-000-of-my-money.585934/

Not sure how valid it is, but it would seem that perhaps alleged problems with BRK/Mike Stewart go back a ways...?

Getting back on track regarding the knives; if you're not super interested in or don't care about the company and its practices, then simply get the Bark River that you think is best-suited for you like others have suggested. If that stuff does matter to you and factor into your decision, then like others have also suggested, look elsewhere to spend your hard earned money. There certainly isn't a shortage of talented knifemakers and companies that produce quality knives out there and I'm willing to bet that with some research, you could find a knife by a different brand/maker that would be just as good or better for you. Again, though, it's your choice - it's up to you what you want to do.
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Yikes! That's what that chain of events tells you? Personally it tells me that rather than address (acknowledge) the problem he'd deny it because it could mean replacing other people's knives as well. Not a guy I'd trust to take care of me if I had an issue.
22-rimfire said:
Me too! I knew that Derrick finally addressed the problem, but I never knew the outcome. It seems that the BRKT reaction was "shit happens" and too bad. The steel issue is not something that should happen ever and should have been immediately addressed by Stewart and not a dealer. What that lesson tells me is "stick to A-2" with Bark River and choose another maker for the other steels.
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JamesofArc said:
Regardless, why does a factory mistake make Mike a bad guy to never be bought from again. The other day I ordered a number 2 from What a burger and they delivered me a number 1. I did not say the owner was trying to rip me off but I realized that the guys behind the counter messed up. I still go to What a Burger because it was not on purpose but a mistake.

Do you believe that Mike Stewart is purposely marking knives that are made of A2 and stamping them something else or do you believe that the production line may have marked some A2 knives with the wrong stamp and they went out the door without anybody realizing it.
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Purposeful or not, the mistakes were not acknowledged by BRKT/Mike as such but instead they said the buyers were wrong and that the patina'd steel was 20cv acting naturally, a falsehood acknowledged as such by all involved including the owner of the dealer that sold the BRKT in question. I don't know about your ethics but when a company screws up and then not only doesn't follow through to see if they made a mistake but also comes out and says there never was one contrary to all the evidence posted, I would hesitate to ever purchase from them again because I could no longer trust anything that company said.

What's worse is that there are other people that have been screwed by Mike, contracts were not help up, money was lost, etc. This is not the mark of a good business, certainly not one worthy of my money.
 
With all this said about mike stewart and bark river and yes I'm talking about the negative stuff they must be one hell of a company to still sell as many knives as they do. With everything that's said and you still have people buying the shit out of bark rivers what does that tell you? They have to be doing something right and btw I'm about to open up a ksf package right now. Guess what's in it!?!?
 
Gradyw said:
With all this said about mike stewart and bark river and yes I'm talking about the negative stuff they must be one hell of a company to still sell as many knives as they do. With everything that's said and you still have people buying the shit out of bark rivers what does that tell you? They have to be doing something right and btw I'm about to open up a ksf package right now. Guess what's in it!?!?
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A knife in mystery steel with highly-polished scales?
 
Gradyw said:
With all this said about mike stewart and bark river and yes I'm talking about the negative stuff they must be one hell of a company to still sell as many knives as they do. With everything that's said and you still have people buying the shit out of bark rivers what does that tell you? They have to be doing something right and btw I'm about to open up a ksf package right now. Guess what's in it!?!?
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Most knife customers don't read the forums, thus no matter how much crap is dug up on a company they will often still sell plenty to the unsuspecting.

QTRM5TR, Will Moon, Nocturnal Knives, Koster, BRKT, the list goes on but the trend is the same: build a reputation and then coast on it as long as possible even if you're screwing up left and right, or blatantly lying to everybody's faces. Sell somewhere other than on BF because as long as you can hide your bad side there are plenty of people who just wanna buy something shiny and expensive because of just those qualities.
 
I have two BTKT knives. One I bought ~15 years ago when they first fired up.

I'm man enough to admit that I own them but my ethics won't let me sell them, in good conscience, to anyone considering one is made of Mike Stewart's famed "Mystery Metal" (A2 that is magically stainless. I'd put it up against Spyderco's H1).
 
ridnovir said:
Gee,
some folks on here sure have lots of spare time to engage in all this useless drama.
I own several BRKT knives and have no issues with them whatsoever. I do not give two s#@ts what kind of person Mike is or the beef he might have with some of the folks on this forum
The bottom line is BRKT makes good knives if they look appealing to OP I would not hesitate to obtain one.
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Michael Jackson was a shady dude but man he made the best music.
 
KingMC said:
Most knife customers don't read the forums, thus no matter how much crap is dug up on a company they will often still sell plenty to the unsuspecting.

QTRM5TR, Will Moon, Nocturnal Knives, Koster, BRKT, the list goes on but the trend is the same: build a reputation and then coast on it as long as possible even if you're screwing up left and right, or blatantly lying to everybody's faces. Sell somewhere other than on BF because as long as you can hide your bad side there are plenty of people who just wanna buy something shiny and expensive because of just those qualities.
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Ok you have changed my mind . I will never buy from mike again . Ok ? Now you can rest your rhetorical fingers
 
shinyedges said:
Ok. So you don't care mike stewart is a lying, scamming, thief. He is still actively screwing people over on this forum, but hey he replaced a crappy knife he sold with 2!

I recommend a qtrmstr knife for your folding knife needs.
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I'm really torn with bark river know. I've been subbed to DBK for a while and they love all of their brkt knives, yet after seeing some of the stuff here i'm kind of afraid to get one. Not that i won't.

Gonna take a risk and get an aurora. I'll send it back if it feels iffy or the fit and finish is wonky.
 
And back to one of the original questions:

Blade thickness preferences?
3.75mm vs. 4.25mm?
 
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