Bark River Posts

Should I even answer that, when the last 2 posts I made get so totally misread?
I guess it's not about the facts anymore. It's about the fun.
 
Nah Essav, don't bother

I edited my post, beating a dead horse is not fun. And, in my opinion engaging in argument that is not germane to the issues will just ruffle feathers and end up in just a meaningless bunch of junk.

I gave my Son a Bark River knife and he has gutted a few deer, cleaned lots of birds and lots of fish and the knife remains superb. If someone asked me if BRKT was a good line of knives I would say yes without hesitation.

What I cannot say is that Mike Stewart is a good businessman. In this case there has been enough of both sides for me to formulate my opinion that Stewart performed poorly. I know both you and Ken disagree and you know I disagree with you and Ken, Is that not OK????

If that's trollish I await my green hair (I am already very short, fat and extremely ugly)!!

Have a nice day.................
 
I think it is very much about the facts for some people. And the facts are sadly lacking when it comes to Mike Stewart's side of the story.

Despite all the pile-on, dogpile, infighting, whatever a person wants to call it, the apparent fact remains, based on two lengthy threads and some documentation, that Stewart should have returned Youell's money the moment he decided to renege on his obligations.

Even more disturbing are the facts related to past behavior on the part of Stewart, some of which have been recorded here at BFC: http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=123670 Granted, I don't know all the politics that went on between Turber and Stewart, nor do I have all the information about the demise of Blackjack, but I find Jerry Fisk's posts in that thread perhaps more disturbing than the news story itself. Seems very comparable to Ethan Becker and his experience with Camillus near its end. Royalties? What royalties?

Bark River knives are fine products, but I am yet to see a rational defense of Mike Stewart's actions, either in the Youell case or in terms of his past actions. I'm not talking about, "I looked him in the eyes, and his word is good" sort of thing. I mean facts. Frankly, I would like to see them as good American knife companies are getting harder to find. That said, I'd prefer to spend my money on a maker/designer who has my respect with regard to more than just his creative talents.

One or two misdeeds, one might be able to rationalize and write off as creative differences or poor money skills. But when they start to pile up, when a pattern emerges (Blackjack, Fisk, Youell in just this short post), should one continue to ignore it? I think it's a legitimate question, and no one has offered up a satisfactory answer as to why we, as members of the knife community, should ignore or excuse this kind of behavior.
 
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Exactly what I was talking about.

People seem to play the "beating a dead horse" card, hoping the discussion will go away.

Or they play the "Bark River makes a great knife" card, which is another way of saying the ends justify the means.

Where are the facts that exonerate Mike Stewart's behavior? Where's the rational explanation?
 
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Exactly what I was talking about.

People seem to play the "beating a dead horse" card, hoping the discussion will go away.
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Personally, I don't give a damn, Guyon, whether the discussion goes away or not. When I get bored with it, which will likely be RSN, I'll just stop reading the thread. But neither that, nor your not believing we're

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changes the fact that's indeed what's happening here. *shrug*
 
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Guyon said:
Exactly what I was talking about.

People seem to play the "beating a dead horse" card, hoping the discussion will go away.

Or they play the "Bark River makes a great knife" card, which is another way of saying the ends justify the means.

Where are the facts that exonerate Mike Stewart's behavior? Where's the rational explanation?
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+1 to what Guyon said.
A simple and to the point factual answer would be fine ....... anyone gonna' step up with it ?
 
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Personally, I don't give a damn, Guyon, whether the discussion goes away or not. When I get bored with it, which will likely be RSN, I'll just stop reading the thread. But neither that, nor your not believing we're

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I see. So you don't want to add any questions here or offer up any useful information that might make Mike Stewart's actions seem less suspect. You just want to post some smileys from Michigan. Well, whatever floats your boat.

There is another card that bears mention. It's the "Mike Stewart has always treated me right as a customer" card. This one holds considerable water. It's the one that would make a person think Stewart walks the honorable walk and the one that gives some hope for Bark River knives as an enterprise. The only problem, I guess, is that the Youell incident is awfully recent. The zebra stripes don't appear to have changed, or have they?

Maybe that's a dead zebra we're beating, but is it a new dead zebra or the same old dead one? That's what I'd like to know.
 
Guyon said:
Exactly what I was talking about.

People seem to play the "beating a dead horse" card, hoping the discussion will go away.

Or they play the "Bark River makes a great knife" card, which is another way of saying the ends justify the means.

Where are the facts that exonerate Mike Stewart's behavior? Where's the rational explanation?
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Wow, that post made no sense to me at all:confused:

Bark River does make a good knife. Just because Mike is a jerk does not take away from the quality of product his employees make.

And, beating a dead horse is a "card" that means the end justifies the means........................HUH???????

Oh well, My Son likes his Bark River therefore OJ Simpson is guilty.....yup:confused:
 
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I see. So you don't want to add any questions here or offer up any useful information that might make Mike Stewart's actions seem less suspect. You just want to post some smileys from Michigan. Well, whatever floats your boat.

There is another card that bears mention. It's the "Mike Stewart has always treated me right as a customer" card. This one holds considerable water. It's the one that would make a person think Stewart walks the honorable walk and the one that gives some hope for Bark River knives as an enterprise. The only problem, I guess, is that the Youell incident is awfully recent. The zebra stripes don't appear to have changed, or have they?

Maybe that's a dead zebra we're beating, but is it a new dead zebra or the same old dead one? That's what I'd like to know.
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Oh no!!! This post is as mindless (to me) as the other!!!

Now it's beating a dead Zebra with a credit card some customer dropped????

Please Guyon, post a photo of these two zebras so I can see for myself whether the stripes have changed.

I :D:Dam:D:Dnot:D:Dfrom Michigan so here's some New England smileys:p

I still do not like or think much of Mike Stewart but I am saddened by the death of these Zebras....................
 
I actually agree.

Save the zebras.

Here's a Southern smiley. :cool:
 
Guyon, I agree completely. Though I have a lot of respect for Stewart as a knife maker and have never had any problems with customer service I feel he should try and defend his actions and decisions in this matter without airing dirty laundry, if that is at all possible.

I am not familiar with these other incidents that are being referred to with Blackjack and Fisk. Could you elaborate more please?
 
So what happened with Stewart's indictment? Obviously he was acquitted.... Are there any details anyone can post links to?
 
It said he was looking at 30 years and he obviously isn't in prison. So if he was convicted, what counts was he actually convicted of and what was the penalty?
 
Just google it, everything you are looking for can be found.

What counts is that he WAS convicted.

Your statement was: "obviously he was aquitted" and he was not.................sorry
 
Your statement was: "obviously he was aquitted" and he was not.................sorry
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I concede, no worries. I just want some info on it.
I went to google and can find nothing on it. Could you please define the search parameters I need to use on Google to get that info? What I am using isn't producing anything...
 
He was convicted of a felony and sentenced to 3 years probation. Its all in the public record and was even in the Effingham, IL newspaper when it happened.
 
What were the felony charges he was convicted of? Were other people involved?
Wolfmann said to Google it and it could be found. I spent 30 minutes on Google and I can't find jack about it. Can anyone provide a link or some Google search parameters?
 
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