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Rob & Ivan,

You guyz sure have got some gorgeous old Barlow's!.
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Charlie,

Please tell how can you tell the Case made Barlow's from the Utica Case Barlow patterns in the Tested XX era knives. Is it just because their is NO signature on the bolster, or something else or several something else's?

Thanks,

Anthony
 
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Remington in yellow delrin
 
sunnyd said:
Rob & Ivan,

You guyz sure have got some gorgeous old Barlow's!.
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Charlie,

Please tell how can you tell the Case made Barlow's from the Utica Case Barlow patterns in the Tested XX era knives. Is it just because their is NO signature on the bolster, or something else or several something else's?

Thanks,

Anthony
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If you look at these, you will see two main features, sunny. Rounded bolsters, and a pivot pin that is closer to the bolster. These two things are common with all Utica-mades I have seen.
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In this picture, you will see rounded bolsters, but a more rearward pivot. I believe these were made by Case, including the middle one, a subcontract for Clauss!
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Third pic, two Testeds by Case, and an XX by Utica!!
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Camillus made some too, but I'm pretty sure they have the more squared bolsters like the later XX and Dots knives.
Interestingly, I'm inclined to believe that Schrade or Camillus made Ivan's knife for Utica!! I'd need to look at it a bit more, and compare it to known Schrades and Camcos.
More than you wanted to hear sunny??:D
 
P.S, the signature bolsters appear randomly, missing every once in a while.
 
Waynorth, Thank you for the pictures and the explanation of the difference between CASE made Barlows and Utica made Barlow pattern knives for Case.
Not trying to be critical but trying to be more clear for the knife public. Quote: " A pivot pin that is closer to the bolster" The only pivot pin on a knife is in the blade tang and thru the bolster. Quote:"pivot , pin axis consisting of a short shaft that supports something that turns. The back spring doesn't turn it travels up and back never down. It always loaded and over loaded in opening and closing the blade. The Back Spring center pin not always in the center of the knife frame is closer to the bolster on the Utica made knives as your pictures indicate. Again thanks for the pictures.
 
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.. More than you wanted to hear sunny??:D
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Charlie,

Not at all. On the contrary, I am obliged to you for taking the good time and trouble to explain it to me so well and in so much detail. Thanks for imparting your valuable knowledge.

Anthony
 
d.parker said:
Waynorth, Thank you for the pictures and the explanation of the difference between CASE made Barlows and Utica made Barlow pattern knives for Case.
Not trying to be critical but trying to be more clear for the knife public. Quote: " A pivot pin that is closer to the bolster" The only pivot pin on a knife is in the blade tang and thru the bolster. Quote:"pivot , pin axis consisting of a short shaft that supports something that turns. The back spring doesn't turn it travels up and back never down. It always loaded and over loaded in opening and closing the blade. The Back Spring center pin not always in the center of the knife frame is closer to the bolster on the Utica made knives as your pictures indicate. Again thanks for the pictures.
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Well, you have a point, but it is arguable that the backspring pin is a pivot. The spring moves about that axis slightly, and that's all it takes for the definition to hold. But if the terminology is confusing to you and others, I will try to state it more clearly in the future. At least you knew what I meant!:)
 
sunnyd said:
Rob & Ivan,

You guyz sure have got some gorgeous old Barlow's!.
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thank you it was the one i was most excited about when my dad gave me the old beat up box:D its a tank, really heavy compared to my sons old camillus barlow... and my grandpa obviously wasnt afraid to use it:thumbup:
cheers
ivan
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"Camillus made some too, but I'm pretty sure they have the more squared bolsters like the later XX and Dots knives.
Interestingly, I'm inclined to believe that Schrade or Camillus made Ivan's knife for Utica!! I'd need to look at it a bit more, and compare it to known Schrades and Camcos."

Really! that would be fitting as it seems for me at least all roads lead back to camillus:D:thumbup:
ive never run across one like mine and it has steel liners. How common was this? Was it an issue of Wartime Materials and thats why the steel was used instead of brass?
thanks
ivan
 
IVANKERLEY said:
it's a beauty! was my grandads... well worn, sharp and snaps with authority:D
steel liners and cattle bone scales, excuse the hot spots on the blade, etc:(
doesnt do it justice
cheers
ivan

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I quoted your Barlow Ivan, to bring it here, and make it easy to see the resemblance with these Camillus made ones. Except for the last Repro Russell, the pin placement and bolsters tell a lot. Seems Camillus changed their pattern a bit; to make the Russell!?
Ulster and Schrade-made are slightly different, IIRC.
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Look at the swedge on the main blade of my left knife, and Ivan's!!
Virtually identical cut! Deeper into the blade on Ivan's, but same angle at the nick. The glaring difference for me, is the proportions of bolster to handle. Seems the Camillus knives in my pic have longer handles or shorter bolsters; not sure which. Are you good with a micrometer Ivan??
 
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Look at the swedge on the main blade of my left knife, and Ivan's!!
Virtually identical cut! Deeper into the blade on Ivan's, but same angle at the nick. The glaring difference for me, is the proportions of bolster to handle. Seems the Camillus knives in my pic have longer handles or shorter bolsters; not sure which. Are you good with a micrometer Ivan??[/QUOTE]

Definitely see the similarities in the swedge and how my uticas blade might have looked. I think the utica may not have tapered as much though i'll compare it to a camillus barlow (recently i gave my son my old camillus 51 barlow:thumbup: which looked alot like yours 'cept no stamp on the bolster)

Now the bolster on the utica is whats always threw me, personally never seen one as long as my utica:confused:, also any ideas on the steel liners, was it fairly common?
Thanks for the info, appreciated:thumbup:
ivan
 
First, steel liners are quite common. The TipTop, and the black handled Barlow have them as does the following TRYON that I dug out.
The TRYON;
It looks a LOT more like your Utica! Notice it also has long bolsters, and the cut swedge is similar even though the blades are different. The pins seem to coincide also. I have changed my mind! Now I think Utica made your knife and this Tryon!! And Bernie Levine mentions that Utica made some knives for Tryon. Gotta keep an open mind about these things!
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Schrade 206 Barlow, from around 1975-1983, I believe. This one has been around the block a few times but is still in pretty good shape.

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This guy was posted in another thread but it being a Barlow, I am sticking it in here with all the other beautys. This thread has become a Visual Document of some rare and very classic knives that will continue to teach us for some time to come.
Greg

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Gregory,

One of the sweetest Fight'n Rooster's ever built. And just a gem in the Barlow pattern!

Thanks for that contribution!

Anthony
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Here's one I got last month from a good friend and forumite here, a GEC # 25 in Red Buffalo Horn scales..

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Good choice, Anthony!! Nice in Horn!!
I couldn't resist a couple of those #25s!
 
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