Batoning ESEE 5 into Becker BK-2 and vice versa !!

Definitely some testicular fortitude shown in conducting those tests. I don't think I could do it, it's enough fun to take them out and thrash on them in the woods.

Oddly enough, I came across ESEE when looking into the Becker knives. I'd easily estimate that Becker makes a very solid and proven product, and is likely a "gateway" knife to a lot of current ESEE owners.
 
Your a man of your word. Interesting test on two good knives that shows for certain that the ESEE can take harder abuse. I could have never done that to two knives, much less two new ones.
 
I wonder how my neck would fair if I attempted to baton it through a Becker. Or an ESEE-5 for that matter.
 
What made me think to do this was when I went to re-profile the edge on my other BK-2, I could use a double cut bastard file. Tried to do that with the ESEE and it would not even bite into the steel. This lead me to think I could baton an ESEE through the softer Becker.

First, what the heck?! I wish I had that kind of money to throw away!

As for what you said, I don't think a file should bite into any hardened knife steel. Although, I don't know, but are double cut bastard files any harder than "regular" files? I remember in my research of knife making that files should skate across the blade after being hardened. Something to think about...
 
So.... I would expect a blade that costs twice as much do better.... But as someone newish to the knife world what does make the difference? Is it blade geometry, quality of blade material, heat treatment, or the 11 herbs and spices ESEE uses? I've seen lots of reasons tossed around... help a noob understand.
 
It is my understanding that edge geometry plays a bigger role in these types of strength tests than even the steel type. How do the BK2 and ESEE-5 compare as far as blade thickness and edge geometry? They look fairly close.
We need an effer-style edge-geometry analysis to inform on the demonstration, otherwise it could have as easily been ESEE-5 vs kitchen knife. Hardness (Rc) analyses to compare HT would also help.

Primary factors: edge geometry, heat treatment, then steel-type.
Since both here are 1095, the 3rd is controlled for. If the BK has a thinner grind + softer HT (suggested by the observed results), it may be quicker to dull from use but may slice softer materials (not steel) more efficiently and re-sharpen more easily. The ESEE looks to have a thicker grind + harder HT to make it more durable in use (including on harder materials) and require resharpening less often, potentially sacrificing slicing efficiency and ease of resharpening. Whether these suggested trade-offs result in observable superiority of one knife over the other in the aforementioned tasks (i.e. 'normal' use) is arguably of more relevance than observing which knife-edge will penetrate further when impacted together.

Were these knives demonstrated to be approximately equivalent in regard to normal tasks (i.e. were slicing efficiency and maintenance requirements not noticably different)? If so, THEN can one conclude that the ESEE has superior design / HT for the intended uses!
(Although a better comparative "test" would be to impact the knives against the same medium rather than against one another - hard wood < concrete < steel).

But for those who do not require the superior durability of the ESEE and don't mind resharpening a little more often, for less money... but that gets into subjective cost/benefit analyses, not the point of objective "testing".

Thanks for posting the vids! :D :thumbup:
(improve your methods somewhat like another popular knife 'destroyer' and you could turn n=1 into n=2!)
 
Damn, that was like a bad train wreck! I didn't want to watch it be was compelled to! Crazy Sh*t!!
 
So.... I would expect a blade that costs twice as much do better.... But as someone newish to the knife world what does make the difference? Is it blade geometry, quality of blade material, heat treatment, or the 11 herbs and spices ESEE uses? I've seen lots of reasons tossed around... help a noob understand.

ESEE's and Beckers both have similar steel. Both have 1095 with a good heat treat that won't do ya wrong. The main difference is that ESEE's have higher quality micarta handles and a better warranty.

JGON
 
TA seems to be catching some heat over this. but, if you have read most of his posts in the past, he seems like a stand up guy who likes to modify and tinker at the tools and knives he buys. He isn't sending it for replacement, his knives and he can do whatever he wants to do with them imo.
 
First, what the heck?! I wish I had that kind of money to throw away!

As for what you said, I don't think a file should bite into any hardened knife steel. Although, I don't know, but are double cut bastard files any harder than "regular" files? I remember in my research of knife making that files should skate across the blade after being hardened. Something to think about...

You probably read that a file should "skate" across a blade after being hardened. Most knives are hardened and then tempered back (or drawn) to a softer finish in order to reduce the brittleness that comes with extreme hardness, and also to make them easier to sharpen.

A "double cut bastard file" will differ in hardness depending on manufacturer, etc.
 
ESEE's and Beckers both have similar steel. Both have 1095 with a good heat treat that won't do ya wrong. The main difference is that ESEE's have higher quality micarta handles and a better warranty.

JGON

Handles and a warranty don't do the damage we just saw.
 
Well, after watching both of the videos, it got me to thinking...hmm... just how well would my new H.E.S.T. stand up in a similar test to the BK2? So I......






Yeah right ;)
 
Breaking things is always interesting - I just don't know what to draw from the video. Both knives look pretty ruined to me. It's not like the ESEE was undamaged. Also, would have been curious to see the test continue to failure.

Could have had a catastrophic break on one of the blades as the impact continued. I say chuck them back up and either hammer one all the way through or until a blade breaks.
 
ESEE's and Beckers both have similar steel. Both have 1095 with a good heat treat that won't do ya wrong. The main difference is that ESEE's have higher quality micarta handles and a better warranty.

JGON

....and sheath. Both great blades though. I hear about the Becker loose handle thing all the time. Loctite? :D
 
I'm impressed with everyones brand loyalty.
But what did this test really prove.
The chunks out of the becker are not that deep compared to the esee.
So stop strutting around like a bunch of Bantee roosters.
The only thing I saw was 2 damn tough knives, you could bet your life on.
 
Wow that is painful to watch. Looks like both knives took a good amount of abuse. I think they both stood up pretty well. Hate to see knife punished like that but it was a cool video all the same.
 
fairly amusing.

though i'm not convinced there's a winner or loser here until one of those knives is in pieces.

finish the job man! :D
 
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