Batoning ESEE 5 into Becker BK-2 and vice versa !!

Bladite said:
fairly amusing.

though i'm not convinced there's a winner or loser here until one of those knives is in pieces.
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True that.

You've got a ways to go to prove your point, all you did so far is mess up the thin part of the edge on the BK-2 with the thick edge of the ESEE 5
(and yeah, I own both knives, so I don't have a dog in this fight).

pete
 
Maniacal Pete said:
True that.

You've got a ways to go to prove your point, all you did so far is mess up the thin part of the edge on the BK-2 with the thick edge of the ESEE 5
(and yeah, I own both knives, so I don't have a dog in this fight).

pete
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two knives enter

one knife leaves

hammerdome!
 
I cringed watching it! :eek: It was interesting to see (FOR SCIENCE!!!) I have both the BK2 and RC-5 and love them both. The BK2 still has a great product for the price.
 
Bladite said:
two knives enter

one knife leaves

hammerdome!
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I'm no expert (ask anyone), but if I understand it correctly, the differential heat treat on the knife with the thinner edge is going to make for something of a difference between the strength of the steel near the edge vs. the thicker steel inside of the blade. Is this correct?

Was the original claim that the OP could use his ESEE 5 to "baton through" the BK2?

pete
 
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Since you wanted to be Scientific about this....based on inferential statistics....and sampling variability ....your point estimate by itself conveys no information about its closeness to the value of the population characteristic. Your sample size is too small to be the plausible credible value for the population characteristic. We would be much more highly confident of the statistical results of your experiment if your sample size were at a minimum of 10
 
Bladite said:
fairly amusing.

though i'm not convinced there's a winner or loser here until one of those knives is in pieces.

finish the job man! :D
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As much as I'd love the makers to review the knnives to see if there is any room for improvement, I'd love to see this taken all the way. This test was way beyong anything practical and kind of fun.

The hardness difference is interesting to me. My only comparison was my Izula VS my Kabar made BK11. I cut a piece of leather with both and the BK11 had an easier time and seemed to last longer. Used to think it was because the BK11 was ground thinner, but then I recently heared in this forum that the Izula is tempered a little different for more toughness which could mean less edge holding. I know it lasts a long time in the kitchen but dulls really fast on leather. Sharpens fast too so that makes up for it IMO.
 
This reminds me of the old school truck pull offs. Here tie this here chain to your trucks under frame, and I will tie it to mine. Then we will see what these trucks are made up of!!

I used to work for a tool sales company. When the dealers would come in and show us the new cordless drills on the market we would just scoff and say wow that is great. Until one day a Makita rep showed up. He pulled out the new model right out of a sealed box, then he pulled out a Dewalt drill that claimed to have the best performance in its class. They both where of supposed equal power. He then proceeded to place a 1/2" solid steel rod into the chokes of both drills. He put them in a contraption that held the handles in place. Placed in fully charged batteries. He stopped.... With smile on his face... Who wants to hold the triggers? Everyone of our hands shot up in the air...
Needless to say, the test stopped when the magic white smoke was poring out of the Dewalt drill.
From that day on, our sales for Makita drills shot through the roof. Everyone of our customers that would call asking for the best drill heard this story. We even went as far as selling off the remaining stock of Dewalts on EBay just to lower our stock level down.

This sort of test may not be the greatest for these two knives. But it does prove that us guys love to fight it out and see who is left standing, and who needs to work on certain things.
 
Gevonovich said:
Since you wanted to be Scientific about this....based on inferential statistics....and sampling variability ....your point estimate by itself conveys no information about its closeness to the value of the population characteristic. Your sample size is too small to be the plausible credible value for the population characteristic. We would be much more highly confident of the statistical results of your experiment if your sample size were at a minimum of 10
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A sample size of 1 is acceptable for general analysis and comparative quality assessment of a manufactured LOT among uniformly control-manufactured tools. There are no "statistical results" in n=1 studies, but for this sort of "testing", there needn't be. The single representatives were chosen blindly from an (assumedly) uniformly manufactured lot (i.e. negligible sampling variability), the manufacturer also blind (i.e. did not know which knife or any at all would be "tested"). We must trust the technician that he did not attempt to deliberately skew the results by slight variance in handling (angle of incidence, etc.), but such variance probably would have minimal effect anyway given the tools used and the technique observed in the videos. THUS, from this SINGLE "test" on SINGLE individuals, it is scientifically valid to infer that the same results would occur for ANY selected individuals in the lots, especially if the same technician were employed.

N=1 inference tests are standard in QC analyses even in the biomedical field in which I work. We test ONE sample out of a lot - only if the values we collect regarding the quality of that sample are below acceptable levels do we test a second sample, and only if the 2nd value-set does not conform with the 1st do we test a third sample. One of the principles of good scientific (and business) practice is to not waste product & resources unnecessarily...
 
cool vids, im not sure how useful the "test"? was but cool none the less, this is just me but i think both knives are to thick. ESEE-6 FTW!!!
 
chiral.grolim said:
A sample size of 1 is acceptable for general analysis and comparative quality assessment of a manufactured LOT among uniformly control-manufactured tools. There are no "statistical results" in n=1 studies, but for this sort of "testing", there needn't be. The single representatives were chosen blindly from an (assumedly) uniformly manufactured lot (i.e. negligible sampling variability), the manufacturer also blind (i.e. did not know which knife or any at all would be "tested"). We must trust the technician that he did not attempt to deliberately skew the results by slight variance in handling (angle of incidence, etc.), but such variance probably would have minimal effect anyway given the tools used and the technique observed in the videos. THUS, from this SINGLE "test" on SINGLE individuals, it is scientifically valid to infer that the same results would occur for ANY selected individuals in the lots, especially if the same technician were employed.

N=1 inference tests are standard in QC analyses even in the biomedical field in which I work. We test ONE sample out of a lot - only if the values we collect regarding the quality of that sample are below acceptable levels do we test a second sample, and only if the 2nd value-set does not conform with the 1st do we test a third sample. One of the principles of good scientific (and business) practice is to not waste product & resources unnecessarily...
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Yea! What he said!!:p
 
Gevonovich said:
You are quite right chiral...It was a poor attempt at humor:D
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I knew you were goofing. No worries.

I am now seriously contemplating "bashing" until structural failure. But it is something I want to do when nobody else is in the house. I'm sure it will take awhile and I don't want to annoy the family
 
I own both knives, and would point out again that the BK2 is THINNER at the edge. That is the only issue here.
Keep pounding till you hit 1/4" thick on each knife. At that point, things will get more interesting.
I'll still take my BK2 camping.
 
that'll buff out. i'm pretty sure there are easier ways to get serrations on those blades though. yikes!


anyway, who cares? they're both great tools. the difference isn't really enough to sway me one way or the other, although i've already chosen the 5. :) neither blade failed, and that's really all that matters.
 
Boy, what a senseless waste of two great knives. Seems you got too much time and too much money on your hands:eek:
 
I've seen many things, and this one is nothig especialy shocking.
Just two more damaged knives.

But, as far as I understand saying that this proves that ESEE is better KNIFE than BK is just an IRONY. Right?
 
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